RGM GOAT Debate Thread (Part 2)

MavsDirk41 · Post #1381 » by **MavsDirk41** » Sat Apr 5, 2025 11:37 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:^For Example:

At what point does Nikola Jokic become a part of the GOAT debate?

He has the production, the accolades. Only thing missing is multiple titles. IF N!K0LA wins this postseason, is at least in the 2nd or 3rd tier of the GOAT Debate?

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Marcus Morris is a clown for saying that. Even if he doesnt have Jokic top 20 all time he has been the best player in the nba the past 5 years. Show some class.

f4p · Post #1382 » by **f4p** » Sun Apr 6, 2025 8:54 am

OldSchoolNoBull wrote:It's probably true that Kareem couldn't do what Jokic is doing some respects(playmaking), but when Kerr says "I played against Kareem"...I mean, Kerr's rookie year was Kareem's last year. He played against 41 year old Kareem.

There's gonna be dudes playing now telling us 20 years from now that they stayed in front of (40 year old) LeBron on a drive so he probably wasn't that tough to guard.

Post #1383 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Apr 7, 2025 1:09 pm

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ReggiesKnicks · Post #1384 » by **ReggiesKnicks** » Mon Apr 7, 2025 2:46 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
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It's close.

LeBron is the gold standard. Through his Age 28 season (excluding Jokic's 2025 season), LeBron had 4 MVPs, 8-time Top 5 MVP Finishes, Two Titles, and 4 Top 5 DPOY finishes (Two 2nd place finishes).

LeBron James finished 7th in the 2014 RealGM Top 100 list (This would include LeBron's 2014 season, which had him leading a team to the NBA Finals).

Moses Malone is a good standard for the Top 20. Typically on the cusp but outside-looking-in, he finished 23rd on RealGM Top 100 2023 Project. 3 MVP, 5-time Top 5 finishes in the MVP, 10 time Top 10 finisher in MVP, 1 Championship.

Is Jokic ahead of Moses?

How about Karl Malone? 2 Time MVP, 9 time Top 5 finishes in MVP, 14 time Top 10 in MVP.

Hoop Hunter · Post #1385 » by **Hoop Hunter** » Tue Apr 8, 2025 7:00 pm

It's Jordan, it's always been Jordan, it'll probably always be Jordan. Just stop.

ReggiesKnicks · Post #1386 » by **ReggiesKnicks** » Tue Apr 8, 2025 9:37 pm

Hoop Hunter wrote:It's Jordan, it's always been Jordan, it'll probably always be Jordan. Just stop.

He definitely belongs in the conversation.

Kobe187 · Post #1387 » by **Kobe187** » Tue Apr 8, 2025 10:21 pm

1. Jordan
2. Kobe
3. KAJ
4. LeBron
5. Curry
6. Wilt
7. Magic
8. Duncan
9. Shaq
10. Bird

11. Russell
12. Olajuwon
13. Jokic
14. Robertson
15. West

Post #1388 » by **Jamaaliver** » Wed Apr 9, 2025 12:36 pm

^Reiterating, I'm legitimately surprised Kobe doesn't command more support in the 'GOAT Debate'...on this board.
His credentials stack up against all but...4 players in league history.

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The4thHorseman · Post #1389 » by **The4thHorseman** » Wed Apr 9, 2025 1:51 pm

Tweet above is funny, thanks for the morning laugh.

ReggiesKnicks · Post #1390 » by **ReggiesKnicks** » Wed Apr 9, 2025 2:59 pm

The4thHorseman wrote:Tweet above is funny, thanks for the morning laugh.

It's funny because Pau Gasol is likely a Top 75 player ever.

Kobe187 · Post #1391 » by **Kobe187** » Wed Apr 9, 2025 6:01 pm

Revisionist history is crazy on here lol

Pau Gasol before Kobe
1x All-Star
Playoff record 0-12 before Kobe
7 Year veteran averaging 18.8PPG 8.6RPG
Started 2007-2008 with a 10-29 record before traded to the Lakers.

Antawn Jamison before LeBron
2x All-Star
Playoff Record 6-12 before LeBron
10 year Veteran averaging 20.5PPG 8.9 RPG
Started 2009-2010 with a 15-26 record before traded to the Cavs.

Post #1392 » by **DOT** » Wed Apr 9, 2025 6:21 pm

Kobe187 wrote:Revisionist history is crazy on here lol

I agree

We got people saying the Big 3 Celtics formed in the 2008 season to stop Kobe, who hadn't been to the Finals since 2004 (when he had a meltdown for the ages and cost the Lakers the series), and hadn't even won a playoff series since then

But "aura" or something lol

Ainosterhaspie · Post #1393 » by **Ainosterhaspie** » Wed Apr 9, 2025 7:10 pm

LeBron has won four more playoff series than any other all-time great. He has won 11 more than Jordan and 14 more than Russell.

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a8bil · Post #1394 » by **a8bil** » Wed Apr 9, 2025 8:34 pm

Kobe187 wrote:Revisionist history is crazy on here lol

Pau Gasol before Kobe
1x All-Star
Playoff record 0-12 before Kobe
7 Year veteran averaging 18.8PPG 8.6RPG
Started 2007-2008 with a 10-29 record before traded to the Lakers.

Antawn Jamison before LeBron
2x All-Star
Playoff Record 6-12 before LeBron
10 year Veteran averaging 20.5PPG 8.9 RPG
Started 2009-2010 with a 15-26 record before traded to the Cavs.

I'm going to go off topic here, as you appear to be a Kobe fan.

My brother is in cinematography. He did a shoot with Kobe years ago, and when they got done, my brother asked if Kobe would say something to his son because his son was going through a rough time. Kobe stopped and looked directly at my brother's phone camera as my brother video-taped what Kobe had to say. My brother said it was the most eloquent, heartfelt message he's ever heard. Multiple camera people were on hand, and at least two of them cried during Kobe's comments. When my brother got home, he played it for his son....and realized that he had his finger over the microphone the whole time so you couldn't hear a word. Classic.

PhilBlackson · Post #1395 » by **PhilBlackson** » Thu Apr 10, 2025 10:16 pm

Water is wet and Jordan is the GOAT, those are just the facts, accept it already.

ReggiesKnicks · Post #1396 » by **ReggiesKnicks** » Fri Apr 11, 2025 5:13 pm

PhilBlackson wrote:Water is wet and Jordan is the GOAT, those are just the facts, accept it already.

The cool thing here is Water isn't wet.

SlimShady83 · Post #1397 » by **SlimShady83** » Fri Apr 11, 2025 7:28 pm

ReggiesKnicks wrote:
The4thHorseman wrote:Tweet above is funny, thanks for the morning laugh.

It's funny because Pau Gasol is likely a Top 75 player ever.

How dare they not putting Pau In the top 75 :lol:

SlimShady83 · Post #1398 » by **SlimShady83** » Fri Apr 11, 2025 7:28 pm

Kobe, Kobe, Kobe ...

michaelm · Post #1399 » by **michaelm** » Sat Apr 12, 2025 2:09 am

Double

michaelm · Post #1400 » by **michaelm** » Sat Apr 12, 2025 2:10 am

ReggiesKnicks wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:Water is wet and Jordan is the GOAT, those are just the facts, accept it already.

The cool thing here is Water isn't wet.

So you are saying those who support LeBron over Jordan are delusional ?.

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