Jonas Valanciunas: 7-footer has the makings of a star

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Re: Jonas Valanciunas: 7-footer has the makings of a star 

Post#141 » by MacGill » Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:47 pm

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Johnlac1 wrote:But they do have the same potential...even though they're different types of players. Ever since he came on the radar screen many knowledgeable people have been talking about Mullen's tremendous potential. The big problem was (maybe still is) Mullen's lack of desire/bbIQ where Valanciunas has a big edge. However Mullens appears to be putting in more effort and could very well lead the Bobcats in scoring this year. Last year against the Bucks Mullens had a 31pt, 14 rb, 2bls game. I don't think JVal will have a game like this year or next. And I think he has a very bright future in the league. All of the previous criticism of Mullens for underperforming was totally deserved. He lacked desire and looked not be the sharpest tool in the shed. I still have doubts about his bbIQ, but he's certainly improved far past the point where a number of people (like you maybe) were saying he'd never be better than Scalabrine. Those people have to eat their words.


You're really, really undervaluing how special it is for a player with Jonas' size and physical gifts to have the motor that he does. Lacking desire is something that has never been said about Jonas at any point in his career and I doubt it ever will.

I'm not even going to respond to Byron Mullens apparently having the same potential as Val at this stage.


Yep, I think it goes without saying that everyone who enter's the league from either college, overseas or highschool have to continue to improve and adjust to life in the nba. Quite frankly, there just isn't a program that can prepare you for the change in competition. The fact that Jonas has done what he has done up until this point and the only worry you have is progression of his continued game is fantastic and frankly expected.

The last thing I'd ever want to inherit on my team, especially the highest level you can get too, is motivation for motor. I'll take consistent hustle and dedication over sparatic good games anyday of the week. Work ethic is what defines your career.
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Re: Jonas Valanciunas: 7-footer has the makings of a star 

Post#142 » by droponov » Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:54 pm

Choker wrote:Just curious what team are you a fan of? Not that it's too important, but it makes me feel a little bit better that it's not just Raptors fans that see the potential Jonas has.


I'm not a Raptors fan and I've been writing here Valanciunas has all it takes to be a very good NBA player since before he was drafted. Probably the most under-appreciated lottery pick in these boards ever, some of the stuff written about him was completely bizarre. Apparently the next Primoz Brezec is showing something early on.
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Re: Jonas Valanciunas: 7-footer has the makings of a star 

Post#143 » by Johnlac1 » Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:56 pm

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Johnlac1 wrote:But they do have the same potential...even though they're different types of players. Ever since he came on the radar screen many knowledgeable people have been talking about Mullen's tremendous potential. The big problem was (maybe still is) Mullen's lack of desire/bbIQ where Valanciunas has a big edge. However Mullens appears to be putting in more effort and could very well lead the Bobcats in scoring this year. Last year against the Bucks Mullens had a 31pt, 14 rb, 2bls game. I don't think JVal will have a game like this year or next. And I think he has a very bright future in the league. All of the previous criticism of Mullens for underperforming was totally deserved. He lacked desire and looked not be the sharpest tool in the shed. I still have doubts about his bbIQ, but he's certainly improved far past the point where a number of people (like you maybe) were saying he'd never be better than Scalabrine. Those people have to eat their words.


I don't agree with you, sorry, and no, i'm not one of those people, i actually liked Mullens, and his game. (big fan of good jumpshooters). Mullens can be a mean stretch big in this league with that improved 3 point shot, in the mold of Anderson, a very good player, but he doesn't have Jonas' potential. Mullens while a decent athlete, he's not Jonas, and he's also 23, while Valanciunas is 20. And while i agree that Jonas will certainly won't have a 34/14 game in his rookie year, that doesn't mean his impact won't be a lot bigger than Mullens'. I think it will be. With that ridiculous motor, the guy is a game changer on both ends, even on nights where he doesn't even score 10 points. I think the stats will come in time, but his impact will be clear from day one, to anyone who watches the Raptors.

You might be correct. JVal is starting out with a better attitude and knowledge of the game. And to repeat Mullens deserved the criticism that came his way. But let's give Mullens credit for trying harder now. As far as athletic ability, if I could pick either one for my own, I'd take Mullens. But JVal is a very good athlete and does play harder than Mullens. We shall see.
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Post#144 » by tatertotsnjuice » Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:02 pm

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Re: Jonas Valanciunas: 7-footer has the makings of a star 

Post#145 » by sisibilio » Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:17 pm

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Choker wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqhM1X2VEeU[/youtube]

I like these kinds of videos better for analysis purposes because it just doesn't show all of his makes. There are mistakes here that he makes but you can see the potential he has because of how well he rolls to the basket, his ability to body the opposition and position himself for offensive rebounds, and his overall defensive awareness.


I've seen a lot of him, so far, but I was really trying to watch that with fresh eyes. And the first word that came to my mind is ACTIVE...he's always moving, always battling, always 'aware'.

He does look mechanical, but it doesn't seem to stop him from doing anything.

Yea, i've always said that most of his mistakes come from being overagressive and trying to do too much, specially on defense. Which is not a bad thing when we are talking about a 20 YO kid.
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Re: Jonas Valanciunas: 7-footer has the makings of a star 

Post#146 » by Ballin » Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:19 pm

advanced wrote:free Kemba. 3+ day suspension for that first comment really? powertripping that hard isn't necessary

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Post#147 » by Next Coming » Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:13 pm

He looks so good. The Raptors have never had a player like him. Wish we woulda took Andre Drummond this year though.
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Post#148 » by No Offense » Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:00 am

Next Coming wrote:He looks so good. The Raptors have never had a player like him. Wish we woulda took Andre Drummond this year though.


What boring and horrible argument will Cavs fans make to justify taking Thompson at 4 now that "he hasn't played in a single game!" is done?
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Post#149 » by advanced » Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:04 am

tristan thompson is having a better preseason than valanciunas
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Re: Jonas Valanciunas: 7-footer has the makings of a star 

Post#150 » by Part-time Lover » Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:05 am

advanced wrote:tristan thompson is having a better preseason than valanciunas


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Post#151 » by advanced » Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:07 am

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advanced wrote:tristan thompson is having a better preseason than valanciunas


:lol:


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Re: Jonas Valanciunas: 7-footer has the makings of a star 

Post#152 » by HornetJail » Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:12 am

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amcoolio wrote:Byron Mullens, who hasn't been coached in the NBA much before this training camp, is having a great preseason and shooting 44% from 3 and has been the Bobcats best player. I guarantee that if I posted the same thread changing "Jonas Valanciunas" to "Byron Mullens" the same mod would make an insulting joke at the Bobcats and lock the thread. There is a doublestandard with the mods on this board that makes me less inclined to even visit the general board nowadays.

GUARANTEED? well how about you try it. i love when predictions pan out, it's like winning the lottery.

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Post#153 » by Dr Positivity » Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:15 am

BJ Mullens is definitely more athletic than Valanciunas btw. Mullens does have legit talent. He's a former #1 HS player for a reason
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Re: Jonas Valanciunas: 7-footer has the makings of a star 

Post#154 » by Hero » Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:22 am

Ok. What are TT's numbers so far for the postseason?
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Re: Jonas Valanciunas: 7-footer has the makings of a star 

Post#155 » by Laure » Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:30 am

Hype threads like these never go well. I always thought our Lithuanian media and fanbase hyped him alot, but compared to his North American treatment, that looks like a joke. Can't quite understand the purpose of this, why put pressure on him right from the start? I blame the GM: Colangelo is so desperated to save his butt, he'd do anything to sell this product. It's his only hope. Jonas will deliver eventually, but if you think he'll be a force and average a double-double out of the gate, than you're greatly mistaking.
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Post#156 » by DatHomieYouHaTe » Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:37 am

Laure wrote:Hype threads like these never go well. I always thought our Lithuanian media and fanbase hyped him alot, but compared to his North American treatment, that looks like a joke. Can't quite understand the purpose of this, why put pressure on him right from the start? I blame the GM: Colangelo is so desperated to save his butt, he'd do anything to sell this product. It's his only hope. Jonas will deliver eventually, but if you think he'll be a force and average a double-double out of the gate, than you're greatly mistaking.



What is the pressure we're putting on him?? he isn't reading realgm or even the article posted by the op.. You must think Jonas is the most fragile person ever.
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Post#157 » by peja drobnjak » Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:41 am

jonas really raised expectations with his play so far this preseason

i was thinking he might barely be a rotation guy his first year or so but he's looked good enough to start and actually play well (as opposed to filler starters like jamaal magloire or aaron gray)
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Re: Jonas Valanciunas: 7-footer has the makings of a star 

Post#158 » by Laure » Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:48 am

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Laure wrote:Hype threads like these never go well. I always thought our Lithuanian media and fanbase hyped him alot, but compared to his North American treatment, that looks like a joke. Can't quite understand the purpose of this, why put pressure on him right from the start? I blame the GM: Colangelo is so desperated to save his butt, he'd do anything to sell this product. It's his only hope. Jonas will deliver eventually, but if you think he'll be a force and average a double-double out of the gate, than you're greatly mistaking.



What is the pressure we're putting on him?? he isn't reading realgm or even the article posted by the op.. You must think Jonas is the most fragile person ever.

It's not RealGM: it's the media factor. Have you forgotten the whole "Valanciunas Centred story" thing? That's just BC's and co marketing strategy. So far he had success in selling Val, but if Val happens to struggle (which is inevitable), don't blame the player for not "living up to the expectations" (which were set by others).
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Re: Jonas Valanciunas: 7-footer has the makings of a star 

Post#159 » by Kabookalu » Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:30 am

Tristan Thompson so far: 8.8ppg, 6.7rpg, 1.67bpg on .489% shooting.

Jonas Valanciunas: 6.3ppg, 6.5rpg, 1.5bpg on .526% shooting.

Jonas has been more efficient but Tristan has been slightly better as a shotblocker.
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Re: Jonas Valanciunas: 7-footer has the makings of a star 

Post#160 » by Yuri Vaultin » Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:33 am

Choker wrote:Jonas has been more efficient but Tristan has been slightly better as a shotblocker.

Not when you factor in his 4 from tonight...
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