Kobe agrees to contact extension with Lakers

TheGarden · Post #141 » by **TheGarden** » Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:19 pm

An Unbiased Fan wrote:
Hussien Fatal wrote:
An Unbiased Fan wrote:Great signing for LA. Lakers retain a Top 5 player, and still have cap room and Pau's expiring to play with. I tend to think they're maneuvering for a semi-big trade.

This isnt 2010 its about to be 2014, kobe is by no means still a top 5 player, those days of impact are behind him.

Who are the Top 5 players in the NBA?

not just this year but overall

LeBron
Durant
Paul
Anthony
Westbrook

An Unbiased Fan · Post #142 » by **An Unbiased Fan** » Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:20 pm

ShowTimeERA wrote:To those panicking, management didn't make this deal without looking at the big picture. 2014 free agency is nothing more than a bunch of big star names who aren't leaving their teams. 2015 and 16 are the years to look for. Look for Love in 15 and Westbrook in 16.

Exactly right! Waiting for the "right" FA, is a better move than jumping on "any" FA. Signing Melo to a max deal would be bad for LA's future.

RayBan-Sematra · Post #143 » by **RayBan-Sematra** » Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:21 pm

Hmm. What are my feelings on this extension?
It is probably fair to both Kobe & the Laker franchise.

I don't believe Kobe is worth near 25m per year based on his court impact (which could be an understatement since we don't know how good he'll be after this injury) but keeping him around will likely earn the franchise more then what they are paying him based on off the court stuff so that isn't really an issue.
Plus while Kobe's plump new extension will probably make it hard for LAL to add pieces I don't see many free agents let alone star free agents available in the next two years who would be willing to come to LAL anyway.

So in the end the signing doesn't really hurt the Laker franchise and is obviously good for Kobe who will get paid, be given the green light to do whatever he wants on the court (pass Jordan in pts scored?) and let him retire a Laker.
The Lakers won't be contending though and will have to start the rebuilding process in 2016 assuming Kobe doesn't decide to stick around longer (doubt it).

If I were a Laker fan I suppose I would be happy.
You won't be contending but you'll get to watch Kobe (Laker legend) for another season or two. Enjoy it.

Talent Chaser · Post #144 » by **Talent Chaser** » Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:21 pm

Ettorefm wrote:Kobe hasn't played defense since 2007 and he still has been top 5 every year and also won two titles and the finals MVP

So last year the lakers had two top 5 players and couldn't make it out of the first round? :roll:

boateng · Post #145 » by **boateng** » Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:22 pm

TheGarden wrote:
An Unbiased Fan wrote:
Hussien Fatal wrote:
This isnt 2010 its about to be 2014, kobe is by no means still a top 5 player, those days of impact are behind him.

Who are the Top 5 players in the NBA?

not just this year but overall

LeBron
Durant
Paul
Anthony
Westbrook

How can carmelo anthony be a top 5 player? Top 5 should be the best in the league and take their team places...
what has melo done and the knicks currently have one of the worst records in the league? :lol:

Kyrama · Post #146 » by **Kyrama** » Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:22 pm

It's okay, Lakers fans. You can use this thread to convince yourselves this isn't a terrible idea.

Ettorefm · Post #147 » by **Ettorefm** » Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:23 pm

Talent Chaser wrote:
Ettorefm wrote:Kobe hasn't played defense since 2007 and he still has been top 5 every year and also won two titles and the finals MVP

So last year the lakers had two top 5 players and couldn't make it out of the first round?

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He DIDN'T PLAY! Kobe didn't play, dude. He was injuried before the playoffs even began
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And Dwight wasn't top 5 last season. Did you at least watch the 2012-13 season?

Irishock · Post #148 » by **Irishock** » Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:23 pm

An Unbiased Fan wrote:
Talent Chaser wrote:
Mr MoJo Risin wrote:For those who think that the Lakers FO blindly gave Kobe this contract out of faith, well they don't work that way. The Lakers FO will have a vision/Strategic plan. They have far more knowledge about running a business than any of us and having a championship pedigree, they have the rings to back up this claim.

Then why would they give Kobe that contract? He's not a #1 option anymore and this really hurts their flexibility in the future. If Kobe was about building a contender he wouldn't have taken this much money, yet all you ever hear about is how he wants to win at all costs. Ha, what a joke.

How is a 25/5/5 player not a 1st option? Kobe IS worth that contract impact-wise. Now if there was a big FA they felt they could get, I'm sure they would have waited on a deal. But Mitch prefers trades to signings.

Yeah, he didn't just tear an achilles heel at 35 years old. And don't give me that "Kobe is of a different breed" BS.

An Unbiased Fan · Post #149 » by **An Unbiased Fan** » Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:23 pm

TheGarden wrote:
An Unbiased Fan wrote:
Hussien Fatal wrote:
This isnt 2010 its about to be 2014, kobe is by no means still a top 5 player, those days of impact are behind him.

Who are the Top 5 players in the NBA?

not just this year but overall

LeBron
Durant
Paul
Anthony
Westbrook

Kobe still has greater impact than Melo. Westbrook is a push, but I'd give Kobe an edge on experience and game management.

Worse case he's still Top 5

Talent Chaser · Post #150 » by **Talent Chaser** » Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:23 pm

Ettorefm wrote:
Talent Chaser wrote:
Ettorefm wrote:Kobe hasn't played defense since 2007 and he still has been top 5 every year and also won two titles and the finals MVP

So last year the lakers had two top 5 players and couldn't make it out of the first round?

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He DIDN'T PLAY! Kobe didn't play, dude. He was injuried before the playoffs even began
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And Dwight wasn't top 5 last season. Did you at least watch the 2012-13 season?

The team still struggled to make the playoffs with both of them. How can you claim the best center in basketball isn't a top 5 player? Defense is 50% of the game, and Kobe was close to being a minus player last season.

Joel Embust · Post #151 » by **Joel Embust** » Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:24 pm

Kobe's resume and current statistical production speak for themselves. He also has that one thing that statistics don't show you, the drive and dedication to be in the best condition physically and mentally. You don't have to worry about Kobe. You don't have to worry about sitting him on back to back nights, limiting his minutes and witnessing a huge regression in his play. He will bring his A-game every night. He's still a top player in the league.

Plus, he gets people to buy tickets to the games, gets them to sit in front of the television and he sells jerseys and other Lakers/Kobe merchandise at a high rate GLOBALLY.

He's a huge icon in basketball and the Lakers are proud to (still) have him.

Ettorefm · Post #152 » by **Ettorefm** » Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:26 pm

Talent Chaser wrote:
Ettorefm wrote:
Talent Chaser wrote:So last year the lakers had two top 5 players and couldn't make it out of the first round?

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He DIDN'T PLAY! Kobe didn't play, dude. He was injuried before the playoffs even began
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And Dwight wasn't top 5 last season. Did you at least watch the 2012-13 season?

The team still struggled to make the playoffs with both of them. How can you claim the best center in basketball isn't a top 5 player?

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You're clearly lost, dude. You said they couldn't make it out of the 1st round with Kobe and Dwight, and now that you saw that you clearly failed and forgot about kobe's injury, you're twisting the plot to seem like you said they just had a bad season.
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Dwight is top 5, but wasn't last season. How is that hard to understand? He had back problems, missed 10 games (and had another 20 not even close to 100%)...and did not play well even when he was okay. So, in result, he was not top 5 last season
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Kobe, on teh other hand, was. If you want to say that being top 5 didn't change the fact that kobe underachieved with the lakers, I agree. But thats it

DHodgkins · Post #153 » by **DHodgkins** » Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:26 pm

Ettorefm wrote:Kobe hasn't played defense since 2007

TheGarden · Post #154 » by **TheGarden** » Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:27 pm

boateng wrote:
TheGarden wrote:
An Unbiased Fan wrote:Who are the Top 5 players in the NBA?

not just this year but overall

LeBron
Durant
Paul
Anthony
Westbrook

How can carmelo anthony be a top 5 player? Top 5 should be the best in the league and take their team places...
what has melo done and the knicks currently have one of the worst records in the league?

talent wise, he is

12 games this year is not going to make a case for anyone, over the past couple of years he's been a top 5 player

thats my opinion obviously you feel differently and thats fair I wont judge your list, I have no right to judge how you rate basketball players

Ettorefm · Post #155 » by **Ettorefm** » Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:28 pm

DHodgkins wrote:
Ettorefm wrote:Kobe hasn't played defense since 2007

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Don't take my word for it, take P-Jax's word
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“Kobe’s defense, to be accurate, has faltered in recent years, despite his presence on the league’s all-defensive team. The voters have been seduced by his remarkable athleticism and spectacular steals, but he hasn’t played sound, fundamental defense.

"Mesmerized by the ball, he’s gambled too frequently, putting us out of position, forcing rotations that leave a man wide open, and doesn’t keep his feet on the ground.”

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That was said in May/2011, during the 10/11 season. Recent years, you can put 2, 3 years before that. Which gets us to...07/08

Xepa777 · Post #156 » by **Xepa777** » Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:28 pm

Ettorefm wrote:Kobe hasn't played defense since 2007 and he still has been top 5 every year and also won two titles and the finals MVP
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And you are right, Kobe failed to get the Lakers past the 1st round last year...because he was INJURIED

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjNr573_Xq4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjNr573_Xq4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjNr573_Xq4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjNr573_Xq4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjNr573_Xq4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjNr573_Xq4

Still does it when he needs to.

TheGarden · Post #157 » by **TheGarden** » Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:28 pm

An Unbiased Fan wrote:
TheGarden wrote:
An Unbiased Fan wrote:Who are the Top 5 players in the NBA?

not just this year but overall

LeBron
Durant
Paul
Anthony
Westbrook

Kobe still has greater impact than Melo. Westbrook is a push, but I'd give Kobe an edge on experience and game management.

Worse case he's still Top 5

fair enough, I think Melo at this age is a better player and does a little more but I wouldn't argue against a claim for Kobe

boateng · Post #158 » by **boateng** » Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:29 pm

TheGarden wrote:
boateng wrote:
TheGarden wrote:
not just this year but overall

LeBron
Durant
Paul
Anthony
Westbrook

How can carmelo anthony be a top 5 player? Top 5 should be the best in the league and take their team places...
what has melo done and the knicks currently have one of the worst records in the league?

talent wise, he is

12 games this year is not going to make a case for anyone, over the past couple of years he's been a top 5 player

thats my opinion obviously you feel differently and thats fair I wont judge your list, I have no right to judge how you rate basketball players

talent is one thing, performances are another

there is no way carmelo anthony is a top 5 player...look at his playoff record, his stats compared to other top 5 players etc...
if you say top 10 or 15, then yeah/probably but not top 5

thamadkant · Post #159 » by **thamadkant** » Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:30 pm

If Kobe wanted a competitive team... He should of done a Tim Duncan and taken a pay cut... As mentioned already.

Would it really hurt if he took a 30 million, 2 year deal?

His endorsement deals would still be massive and a competitive Lakers team would still benefit him off and on court...

An Unbiased Fan · Post #160 » by **An Unbiased Fan** » Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:32 pm

1UPZ wrote:If Kobe wanted a competitive team... He should of done a Tim Duncan and taken a pay cut... As mentioned already.

Question. What players is Kobe's contract preventing LA from getting?