Will Andrew wiggins be a great player in the NBA?

[Dark Faze]

embiid is great but his complete inability to stay out of foul college at the college level is concerning

[abark]

A lot is going to depend on his physical development. Paul George grew 1 or 2 inches, Davis grew 1.5 inches and 35 lbs(and they actually measured him all 3 years from 2010 to 2012), and I think Durant also grew, that makes a huge difference. For all intents and purposes, if a guy grows an inch and hence 10-15 lbs, then you can up his potential by 1 level.

Quite frankly, I would just go with the sure thing in Embrid. Watch his scouting video on youtube and you can see that he has almost no weaknesses. The guy is literally a Hakeem clone(and could grow even taller and heavier. The fact is, the human body doesn't really stop growing until 25, and that's only for now). If people went with Wiggins, then it could be a reverse Sam Bowie situation(I think Oden still could have been great if the Blazers hadn't mistreated his injuries, i.e. went with microfracture instead of repairing it). The league is in for an exciting era, that's for sure.

I don't know a single person that grew to any significant degree in their mid 20's. Maybe if you're talking a eighth of an inch or something. You'd be an extreme outlier if you are still growing at 25. You're more likely to be done at 16.

[noobcake]

A lot is going to depend on his physical development. Paul George grew 1 or 2 inches, Davis grew 1.5 inches and 35 lbs(and they actually measured him all 3 years from 2010 to 2012), and I think Durant also grew, that makes a huge difference. For all intents and purposes, if a guy grows an inch and hence 10-15 lbs, then you can up his potential by 1 level.

Quite frankly, I would just go with the sure thing in Embrid. Watch his scouting video on youtube and you can see that he has almost no weaknesses. The guy is literally a Hakeem clone(and could grow even taller and heavier. The fact is, the human body doesn't really stop growing until 25, and that's only for now). If people went with Wiggins, then it could be a reverse Sam Bowie situation(I think Oden still could have been great if the Blazers hadn't mistreated his injuries, i.e. went with microfracture instead of repairing it). The league is in for an exciting era, that's for sure.

I don't know a single person that grew to any significant degree in their mid 20's. Maybe if you're talking a eighth of an inch or something. You're be an extreme outlier if you are still growing at 25. You're more likely to be done at 16.

Na, growth stops when your growth plate are fused. For small percentage of people, this can happen as late as 25. For the vast majority, growth stops before 21. I definitely grew after 21. I grew 1.25 inches sometime between 21 and 23 (I'm not Embiid height, but well over 6 feet)

[D.Brasco]

A lot is going to depend on his physical development. Paul George grew 1 or 2 inches, Davis grew 1.5 inches and 35 lbs(and they actually measured him all 3 years from 2010 to 2012), and I think Durant also grew, that makes a huge difference. For all intents and purposes, if a guy grows an inch and hence 10-15 lbs, then you can up his potential by 1 level.

Quite frankly, I would just go with the sure thing in Embrid. Watch his scouting video on youtube and you can see that he has almost no weaknesses. The guy is literally a Hakeem clone(and could grow even taller and heavier. The fact is, the human body doesn't really stop growing until 25, and that's only for now). If people went with Wiggins, then it could be a reverse Sam Bowie situation(I think Oden still could have been great if the Blazers hadn't mistreated his injuries, i.e. went with microfracture instead of repairing it). The league is in for an exciting era, that's for sure.

I don't know a single person that grew to any significant degree in their mid 20's. Maybe if you're talking a eighth of an inch or something. You're be an extreme outlier if you are still growing at 25. You're more likely to be done at 16.

It's very rare for a male to grow past 20 years. 90% of these sudden growth spurts claims are usually hype to raise a players prospects or them purely going by the players inflated in shoes height.

NCAA teams are notorious for over listed weight and heights of their athletes. The same goes for NCAA football players who usually come out an inch shorter and 20+ lbs lighter during the draft measurements.

[Novocaine]

Andrew Wiggins in the halfcourt game has been pretty average to below average. A lot of his pointscome from transition baskets.

I don't get these comments that says his game fits the NBA level so we should just ignore his college struggles. He's had a lot of subpar games against some not so good competition.

See: Russell Westbrook.
His whole college career was subpar & hurt his scouting profile. He turned out much better than the 'polished' OJ Mayo.

Isn't he kind of the opposite of Westbrook though? Westbrook had limited opportunity because he had no hype whatsoever out of high school, Westbrook played for the coach that limited how good his players looked more than maybe anyone else. Wiggins is riding off massive hype and is playing for a coach that has produced bust after bust in the NBA.

Bill Self's 3out2in hi-lo offense highly conditions what perimeter players can show.

It "benefits" perimeter players with good jump-shots, especially if they move well off the ball, and bigs who are good sealers. As the lane is rarely cleared though, it "equalizes" all perimeter players in terms of shot-creation off the dribble. Derrick Rose would have looked quite unimpressive in Kansas relatively to how he did playing in Calipari's dribble drive motion offense. The offense is steered toward limiting dribble driving opportunities, so nobody will look good at it - regardless if they have the skills or not.

Basically it's a pretty good system for the likes of McLemore, Xavier Henry, Brandon Rush and Mario Chalmers. For Wiggins? Not really. Not in terms of showcasing his offensive talents - even though I think in the long-run this season will help him more than if he was playing for a team like Kentucky.

[Crazy-Canuck]

The system at Kansas is probably as bad a fit you can get for Wiggins. Self runs a high-low system where the "star" of the offense is meant to be the PF/C. If you've watched Wiggs, he always runs into multiple defenders when he attacks because Ellis/Embiid, Black or Taylor never leave the painted area. As bad as his shooting is supposed to be, his 3pt% and FT% are comparable to the much balleyhooed Parker. He has weaknesses, IMO his biggest is weird inability to finish in traffic. He either takes off too far or overcompensates knowing that contact is coming. It'll get better with more strength, but I think its more of a confidence issue with him. He needs to realize that no one can get higher and needs to start crowning people.

Because he came in compared to Bron, Durant etc..., people were expecting this offensive dynamo, but that was never his game. His defensive abilities were always ahead of offense, even when he was 16 playing against older kids in ther world championships. There are good defensive players, then there are lockdown players. Wiggins is a lockdown defender that can smother 1-3 positions. He isnt the anchor in a traditional sense, but he's the guy that holds that defense together. As a true freshman, he is one of the best defenders in the country. People look at Randle and Parker and talk about this offensive skill set, but Wiggins is just as much a game changer on the defensive side of the ball and he is only scratching the surface offensively.

If Wiggins cared about his draft stock, he would have went to a team that ran more and had a better pg to distribute (his ast rates are lower than Parker and Randles). Instead he went to a program that showed accentuated his flaws, but in the end will make him a better ball player.

[immortalone23]

The system at Kansas is probably as bad a fit you can get for Wiggins. Self runs a high-low system where the "star" of the offense is meant to be the PF/C. If you've watched Wiggs, he always runs into multiple defenders when he attacks because Ellis/Embiid, Black or Taylor never leave the painted area. As bad as his shooting is supposed to be, his 3pt% and FT% are comparable to the much balleyhooed Parker. He has weaknesses, IMO his biggest is weird inability to finish in traffic. He either takes off too far or overcompensates knowing that contact is coming. It'll get better with more strength, but I think its more of a confidence issue with him. He needs to realize that no one can get higher and needs to start crowning people.

Because he came in compared to Bron, Durant etc..., people were expecting this offensive dynamo, but that was never his game. His defensive abilities were always ahead of offense, even when he was 16 playing against older kids in ther world championships. There are good defensive players, then there are lockdown players. Wiggins is a lockdown defender that can smother 1-3 positions. He isnt the anchor in a traditional sense, but he's the guy that holds that defense together. As a true freshman, he is one of the best defenders in the country. People look at Randle and Parker and talk about this offensive skill set, but Wiggins is just as much a game changer on the defensive side of the ball and he is only scratching the surface offensively.

If Wiggins cared about his draft stock, he would have went to a team that ran more and had a better pg to distribute (his ast rates are lower than Parker and Randles). Instead he went to a program that showed accentuated his flaws, but in the end will make him a better ball player.

This is true. If he just wanted to showcase himself, he would have went to UNC or Kentucky! He literally would have been averaging 20 points a game!

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[KyletheDingbat]

What's the deal with these drafts that have a potentially great big and a tantalizingly great wing? I half expect the Blazers to get a top pick and draft Embiid only to see Wiggings turn into MJ 2.0.

[ManualRam]

bunch of lame excuses. wiggins isn't skilled enough to be "the man" this yr whether it be kansas, UNC or kentucky. guess what, teams slap zone on those other teams more than they do vs kansas, which means a cluttered paint and not many opportunities for 1 on 1 play (which btw wiggins does not excel at currently either).

how do you "showcase" a player with a limited handle, a so so jumper who struggles in all areas that require strength (ie finishing)?

[andyo]

I have Toronto bias but while Wiggins is definitely not on the level of Lebron (which shouldn't be a detriment to any player). He legitimately has elite defensive potential and has the framework of a superstar- his 2-step vertical is on par with any athlete in the NBA, great length and good body control, fluid, explosive, quick first step. He's not a finished product but neither was Durant coming into the league; again, he has the framework of a superstar but his developmental curve at the next level will dictate what he becomes

It should be noted that Self's half-court oriented system that literally has bigs pack the paint, minimal P'N r opportunities or adequate spacing for perimeter players are all facets that wouldn't be an issue in the NBA and work against Wiggins in offensive scenarios.

For me, his absolute worst case would be a Marvin Williams type with better range (which I see as highly doubtful). His baseline would be about what Paul George is right now.

[Never Wrong]

Worst case is Wesley Johnson or somebody like that not Rudy Gay or Paul George. Come on those guys are proven talent.

[DFolks]

Worst case is Wesley Johnson or somebody like that not Rudy Gay or Paul George. Come on those guys are proven talent.

C'mon now he's better than Wesley Johnson right now.

[Optms]

If Wiggin's worse case is Rudy Gay/Paul George than what is the worst case for Embiid (projected number 1) Hakeem, Duncan?

Parker's worst case must me Carmelo/Pippen come to think of it.

[Michael Lucky]

definitely should be interesting to see him play in the NBA who's fast pace, pnr, no zone Defense, and spacing would suit his skills a whole lot better than college bball. still though he needs to get better at finishing around the rim. He'll get more weight on his body in the next few years which will help him.

[Apollo64]

Harrison Barnes V2.0

[Michael Lucky]

ugh he doesn't play anything like Harrison Barnes lol

[Michael Lucky]

WIggins with 41 points 8 rebounds 2 assists 5 steals 4blks, literally brought KU back from 25 points to make it a game.

[theFireBlanket]

Andrew Wiggins and Giannis Ade-to-kunbo together on the perimeter needs to happen. '

I hope the Bucks end up drafting him.

[Sonny Carson]

Andrew Wiggins and Giannis Ade-to-kunbo together on the perimeter needs to happen. '

I hope the Bucks end up drafting him.

The good thing is..

and I mean this as no disrespect..

Wiggins and Parker dont have the kind of personality that would avoid a place like Milwaukee.

[Michael Lucky]

It's funny watching these officials struggling with their calls when it comes to his play since he's so crazy fast to the rim.