ESPN - Does Draymond Green deserve a max deal?

[HotelVitale]

I agree with those who say no. But neither did Parsons and Hayward (nor do I think that Middleton or Carroll are worth it but I'm hearing that they might get it) imo. The only one who I'd say might have been is Thompson. But that's not going to stop dumb GMs from doling it out.

There are plenty of RFA signings that are overpays but there aren't that many that are 'dumb.' Locking up a young starter for $3-5m above what he seems 'worth' isn't a bad move; if a guy is starting quality and is less than 25, you'll be getting him clean through his prime and he'll be helping your team. He's almost always tradeable and he'll often improve (sometimes drastically like Conley).

Risk-taking means what it says--you need to put yourself past your comfort zone if you want to make something happen. Letting Green walk, when he's by far your best PF, when your core is in his age range, and when your team is already capped out, is probably a bad decision. Don't let your day-to-day ideas of 'fair value' cloud judgment of smart basketball moves.

[nickhx2]

he's still getting maxed i'm sure.

[rockersdash]

He's a situational max player.

GSW will pay him the max because it 'worked' for one season. I'm not sure how sustainable that is but he's getting a max.

[Dupp]

I'd give him a max extension without a doubt and theres no way he doesnt get it.

Maybe half a max deal. Maybe.

Just because he does those things, does not mean he's elite at them. He's not elite at any skill. He's just solid at a bunch of them.

He's actually an elite defender.

[Dupp]

He is worth the offer that Tristan Thompson foolishly turned down.

Will he get more? Probably.

He's twice as good as Thompson. At worst he's top 5 defender in nba. Mix that with being decent at everything else makes him absolutely worth the max he can get.

[Revived]

I'd give him a max extension without a doubt and theres no way he doesnt get it.

Maybe half a max deal. Maybe.

Just because he does those things, does not mean he's elite at them. He's not elite at any skill. He's just solid at a bunch of them.

He's actually an elite defender.

Tony Allen was a max defender and he didn't get anywhere close to the max.

[Dupp]

My NBA All-Defensive 1st team this year is:

Rajon Rondo
Jimmy Butler
Pau Gasol
Anthony Davis
Tony Allen

This is the worst list in the history of realgm.

[Dupp]

I'd give him a max extension without a doubt and theres no way he doesnt get it.

Maybe half a max deal. Maybe.

Just because he does those things, does not mean he's elite at them. He's not elite at any skill. He's just solid at a bunch of them.

He's actually an elite defender.

Tony Allen was a max defender and he didn't get anywhere close to the max.

True but there are differences. Greens better at everything else pretty much and is 8 years younger. In todays nba, especially with the cap expected to go up by, (40%- ish ?) in two years time he's worth and gonna get his max.

[Revived]

I'd give him a max extension without a doubt and theres no way he doesnt get it.




He's actually an elite defender.

Tony Allen was a max defender and he didn't get anywhere close to the max.

True but there are differences. Greens better at everything else pretty much and is 8 years younger. In todays nba, especially with the cap expected to go up by, (40%- ish ?) in two years time he's worth and gonna get his max.

I don't think so. He's still pretty limited offensively and his only offense is wide open 3s that he doesn't even knock down at a great percentage. He won't get such wide open looks on other teams because Curry and Klay both draw so much attention it frees him up.

He's a monster defender and a good rebounder but just don't think that's max worthy. I think DeAndre Jordan will be the only limited offensive player to get a max deal and that's because he's a center (hard to find a good one) and he can rebound and defend at a high level.

[kingkirk]

There is no way that Green doesn't get the max.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Orlando will offer him the max without ANY hesitation.

And about 2 other teams as well.

GSW will be foolish not to match.

[Hornet Mania]

If the Warriors don't outright offer the max, and I think they will, some other team will sign Green to a big offer sheet just to force their hand. Dubs won't let him walk and other squads will want them locked into as much salary as possible, so a big offer sheet is inevitable should management try to play hard ball.

[SaintofKillers]

Will this Grizzlies series end up costing Green money?

IMO, he's still an elite defender and he can handle his own against most bigs, just not the Grizz bigs.

I've always lobbied hard that Green's reputation as a versatile defender capable of guarding 4 and 5s is a bit overhyped due to the lack of any true low post big men, and this series is proving that argument true.

But that said, I am actually impressed with his effort out there. He's overmatched definitely but he does an excellent job anyway to not look as bad as you would expect an undersized 4 to look. Also, the few times he really does look ridiculous is when he has to rotate to Marc when he's super deep in the paint already which is extremely difficult to defend.

[HawaiianJazzFan]

He struggles against Favors as well... I think he just struggles with the big front courts.

[ImChillin01]

Will this Grizzlies series end up costing Green money?

IMO, he's still an elite defender and he can handle his own against most bigs, just not the Grizz bigs.

I've always lobbied hard that Green's reputation as a versatile defender capable of guarding 4 and 5s is a bit overhyped due to the lack of any true low post big men, and this series is proving that argument true.

But that said, I am actually impressed with his effort out there. He's overmatched definitely but he does an excellent job anyway to not look as bad as you would expect an undersized 4 to look. Also, the few times he really does look ridiculous is when he has to rotate to Marc when he's super deep in the paint already which is extremely difficult to defend.

Hes defending Gasol well but struggling with ZBO

[nickhx2]

i know some of you guys really want to hate, and i don't know of anyone who hates draymond green more than i do. if i never had to see draymond and his dumb donkey face again i'd be pretty happy. but give him credit.

the reason he's considered an elite defender when switching to bigs is because he's strong enough to hold position on said bigs. if you watch the games you'll see when green catches randolph/gasol outside the lane, they stay there. plenty of zbo's shots last night were just outside the post or slightly outside enough to make you feel uncomfortable and they really could have gone either way. but randolph is probably the most skilled post player in the game today and if anyone's gonna get those shots to fall it'd be him.

i thought for a little while now that it'd only be a matter of time before the memhpis bigs figured out how to score on the warriors. randolph has way too many moves. but that doesn't mean green was overrated or overmatched as a defender.

[turk3d]

i know some of you guys really want to hate, and i don't know of anyone who hates draymond green more than i do. if i never had to see draymond and his dumb donkey face again i'd be pretty happy. but give him credit.

the reason he's considered an elite defender when switching to bigs is because he's strong enough to hold position on said bigs. if you watch the games you'll see when green catches randolph/gasol outside the lane, they stay there. plenty of zbo's shots last night were just outside the post or slightly outside enough to make you feel uncomfortable and they really could have gone either way. but randolph is probably the most skilled post player in the game today and if anyone's gonna get those shots to fall it'd be him.

i thought for a little while now that it'd only be a matter of time before the memhpis bigs figured out how to score on the warriors. randolph has way too many moves. but that doesn't mean green was overrated or overmatched as a defender.

There's only a few guys (if any besides ZBo) who can dominate Green @ the 4 spot. Besides being pretty strong for his size, he's extremely smart and knows how to get good position which helps him deal with the mismatches he faces size wise.

I think ultimately (once the Warriors come up with a better 4) he'll wind up as a SF, which imo is his natural position and he'd be capable of dominating.

[jamesnamida]

As a warriors fan, no way is he worth the max.
I might be a minority but it would be a mistake To sign him max for 5 years.
However it hard to let him go since he fits well with this current team. Too bad he's not going for 10 mill. some dumb team will offer him max or close to it. ( he won't be as good on another team).

He will only be good as a stretch 4.

Too slow for the 3 and his 3 point shot is not good enough.
Only shoots a decent percentage when open. Which happens a lot as a stretch 4 playing with curry and klay.

His passing and d is good though.

[MoneyTalks41890]

The Pistons will sign him to a max offer sheet. So, he's getting the max, it's just whether or not GS wants to keep him. The cap is going up, but they will still have a lot of salary tied up in their big 3 after Curry's new deal under the new CBA.