Rockets match Nets offer for Donuts (Updte Pg 17: Offer Pulled, DMo UFA)

[bigben998]

I mean it's pretty clear he doesn't want to play in Houston

then why sign an offer sheet that Morey told him he will match with so many trade restriction?

When did Morey ever say he was going to match ? There was rumors saying he was frustrated with Rockets when trying to get a deal done a few months back.

I don't know if he said they will match for sure before they actually did it but i remember reading that they felt it would be matched. He was frustrated before because he was not getting more money than what Rockets offered. This whole thing is pretty weird though.

[sip]

According to a clutch fans rumor (so take it with a grain of salt) the team is Utah. That is 100% tampering.

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I took a look at that and the poster didn't provide any evidence at all that it was the jazz.

[Shock Defeat]

I remember BJ when he was on ESPN. He looked like a complete idiot who didn't know how to talk. He was one of the most awkward analysts they've had.

[K_chile22]

According to a clutch fans rumor (so take it with a grain of salt) the team is Utah. That is 100% tampering.

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I took a look at that and the poster didn't provide any evidence at all that it was the jazz.

Yeah, probably isn't them, just thought I'd share lol I don't even get on clutch fans because it's mostly a bunch of bs, this just came up on my twitter feed

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[bigben998]

According to a clutch fans rumor (so take it with a grain of salt) the team is Utah. That is 100% tampering.

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I took a look at that and the poster didn't provide any evidence at all that it was the jazz.

The guy who said the rumor is one of the few reputable posters on that board now days. He doesn't always get it right though. He has told us about potential signings that end up happening and about missed deals and stuff that i end up reading about later when the stories actually come out. I am still not saying he is right but in the sea of crap on clutchfans, he is a floater.

[wickedwrister]

BJ Armstrong told Watkins, who said on radio, this is because another team offered a bigger deal so they are trying to get back on the RFA market after signing the smaller deal. The NBA simply cannot allow that to happen. Once a deal is signed you cannot go back and try to get a better one after the fact. BJ should be black balled if this is true. Despicable.

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This makes absolutely no sense. So Armstrong had a better offer but signed this one?

And if this is true is Armstrong essentially trying to tell the Rockets to ignore the very team friendly contract you just got this player signed to, please release him so he can sign a bigger contract with another team that you will then need to match at a higher cap price or let him go for nothing? I want to believe that Armstrong can't be that dumb/thick headed but judging by the reports he just might be.

[K_chile22]

BJ Armstrong told Watkins, who said on radio, this is because another team offered a bigger deal so they are trying to get back on the RFA market after signing the smaller deal. The NBA simply cannot allow that to happen. Once a deal is signed you cannot go back and try to get a better one after the fact. BJ should be black balled if this is true. Despicable.

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This makes absolutely no sense. So Armstrong had a better offer but signed this one?

And if this is true is Armstrong essentially trying to tell the Rockets to ignore the very team friendly contract you just got this player signed to, please release him so he can sign a bigger contract with another team that you will then need to match at a higher cap price or let him go for nothing? I want to believe that Armstrong can't be that dumb/thick headed but judging by the reports he just might be.

I believe this deal didn't come to light until after the offer sheet had been signed. So he just didn't do a good job finding the best deal for his client the first time and is trying to weasel his way out of this deal to redeem himself

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[Leon Black]

According to a clutch fans rumor (so take it with a grain of salt) the team is Utah. That is 100% tampering.

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I took a look at that and the poster didn't provide any evidence at all that it was the jazz.

Because that poster is a known insider or at least has ties to an insider, plus he cannot post his sources.

[el13adnino]

d-mo doesnt want to play in houston cuz harden is ugly
point blank

[Johnny Bball]

That's dumb. They've tried to trade him, alienated him and don't let him go. Its not like hes going to see lots of the floor ever. I shake my head at Morey's decisions often though.

lol. Very insightful and accurate analysis imo

Yep. It was. Players see what's going on and they have long memories. D-mo may have made bad choices but now it's someone's life/career that's being impacted and for what. What would he bring back... a second round pick or deep bench player?

[FNQ]

Another reason DMo might not be happy: The offer shrank. While it was a 4-36 deal with the Nets, for some reason, the contract didnt translate to the Rockets and now its essentially 4-31

[pr0wler]

BJ Armstrong is officially the worst agent in all of sports. Ever.

[Bruteque]

Another reason DMo might not be happy: The offer shrank. While it was a 4-36 deal with the Nets, for some reason, the contract didnt translate to the Rockets and now its essentially 4-31

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/rockets/2016/12/05/donatas-motiejunas-rockets-contract/95017568/

Not sure about the exact terms of the deal, but according to this article, it's 4 years $31 million with $5 million fully guaranteed, but D-Mo can earn an additional $7.9 million if the 2017-2018 team option is picked up by March 1st (a.k.a. shows he's healthy). So almost $10 million a year if he performs.

[FNQ]

Another reason DMo might not be happy: The offer shrank. While it was a 4-36 deal with the Nets, for some reason, the contract didnt translate to the Rockets and now its essentially 4-31

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/rockets/2016/12/05/donatas-motiejunas-rockets-contract/95017568/

Not sure about the exact terms of the deal, but according to this article, it's 4 years $31 million with $5 million fully guaranteed, but D-Mo can earn an additional $7.9 million if the 2017-2018 team option is picked up by March 1st (a.k.a. shows he's healthy). So almost $10 million a year if he performs.

I pulled my info direct from Woj, but there seems to be conflicting reports about it everywhere:

The Nets signed Motiejunas to a partially guaranteed four-year deal that could’ve been worth $35 million. The $4 million-plus in attainable bonus clauses in the Nets’ offer sheet weren’t applicable in the Rockets’ match. Ultimately, the base deal that Motiejunas would have had with Houston was worth $31 million if the Rockets picked up every option over the course of the four-year deal.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/donatas-motiejunas-refuses-to-report-to-rockets-184000511.html

In the article you linked it says what I'm saying too though, that the Rockets only had to match the base of the deal which was 4-31. So those things seem to line up

[Lost Angel]

lol. now that rox have matched cant they just trade him?

[K_chile22]

Rough transcription I just wrote up of Watkins on SportsTalk 790 in Houston

I think from what I’ve been told when Donatas first signed this offer sheet on Friday there was another team involved, but they decided to sign with the Nets, then the Rockets matched it yesterday. But now this second team apparently has a larger offer. So what BJ is thinking, from what I’ve been told, is if the Rockets pull their offer, he cannot sign with the Nets for another year, but this other team, they can come into play and present an offer sheet to Donatas that would be more money, and he would go to that team.

and here is the link if anyone wants to listen to the whole interview: http://sports790.iheart.com/onair/the-bottom-line-w-jones-clanton-57128/motiejunas-a-noshow-for-physical-weighing-15365682/

[Bruteque]

Another reason DMo might not be happy: The offer shrank. While it was a 4-36 deal with the Nets, for some reason, the contract didnt translate to the Rockets and now its essentially 4-31

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/rockets/2016/12/05/donatas-motiejunas-rockets-contract/95017568/

Not sure about the exact terms of the deal, but according to this article, it's 4 years $31 million with $5 million fully guaranteed, but D-Mo can earn an additional $7.9 million if the 2017-2018 team option is picked up by March 1st (a.k.a. shows he's healthy). So almost $10 million a year if he performs.

I pulled my info direct from Woj, but there seems to be conflicting reports about it everywhere:

The Nets signed Motiejunas to a partially guaranteed four-year deal that could’ve been worth $35 million. The $4 million-plus in attainable bonus clauses in the Nets’ offer sheet weren’t applicable in the Rockets’ match. Ultimately, the base deal that Motiejunas would have had with Houston was worth $31 million if the Rockets picked up every option over the course of the four-year deal.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/donatas-motiejunas-refuses-to-report-to-rockets-184000511.html

In the article you linked it says what I'm saying too though, that the Rockets only had to match the base of the deal which was 4-31. So those things seem to line up

Wow. Just. Friggin'. Wow. It's absotively posilutely incredible how bad B.J. Armstrong is.

[FNQ]

lol. now that rox have matched cant they just trade him?

Not until the offseason, and then until 12/5/17 DMo can veto any trade he doesnt like

[BallerTalk]

In the article you linked it says what I'm saying too though, that the Rockets only had to match the base of the deal which was 4-31. So those things seem to line up

Rough transcription I just wrote up of Watkins on SportsTalk 790 in Houston

I think from what I’ve been told when Donatas first signed this offer sheet on Friday there was another team involved, but they decided to sign with the Nets, then the Rockets matched it yesterday. But now this second team apparently has a larger offer. So what BJ is thinking, from what I’ve been told, is if the Rockets pull their offer, he cannot sign with the Nets for another year, but this other team, they can come into play and present an offer sheet to Donatas that would be more money, and he would go to that team.

and here is the link if anyone wants to listen to the whole interview: http://sports790.iheart.com/onair/the-bottom-line-w-jones-clanton-57128/motiejunas-a-noshow-for-physical-weighing-15365682/

The more information comes out, the more I am inclined to believe this is strictly a desperate attempt to save face by BJ Armstrong.

[FNQ]

Rough transcription I just wrote up of Watkins on SportsTalk 790 in Houston

I think from what I’ve been told when Donatas first signed this offer sheet on Friday there was another team involved, but they decided to sign with the Nets, then the Rockets matched it yesterday. But now this second team apparently has a larger offer. So what BJ is thinking, from what I’ve been told, is if the Rockets pull their offer, he cannot sign with the Nets for another year, but this other team, they can come into play and present an offer sheet to Donatas that would be more money, and he would go to that team.

and here is the link if anyone wants to listen to the whole interview: http://sports790.iheart.com/onair/the-bottom-line-w-jones-clanton-57128/motiejunas-a-noshow-for-physical-weighing-15365682/

Not denying its possible, but why would a beat reporter have this amount of information about something illegal so quickly? Like, who would know what BJ is thinking/doing, and then give that information to a reporter? Certainly not DMo, BJ, or anyone in BJ's agency. And certainly no one from that other team supposedly, because they would get nailed for tampering.

Considering what BJ's done to Houston here, its entirely possible they are smearing him in retaliation. I'd argue just as possible as this theory being floated around.