[Marks] A loophole in the CBA could allow Golden State to sign Andrew Bogut

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Re: [Marks] A loophole in the CBA could allow Golden State to sign Andrew Bogut 

Post#141 » by baller16 » Fri Feb 24, 2017 6:27 pm

Yeah I can't see Silver letting it go through. The Warriors are beyond stacked, no need to add more on top of that
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Post#142 » by The_Hater » Fri Feb 24, 2017 6:36 pm

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Say what you will but grabbing Durant after winning 72 games was a coward move. It doesn't matter how you try and spin it. We all know the truth. I only pray that the Warriors fail to win the championship. Then we will all laugh and have a good time with it.


It was a coward on KDs part, but there really is no negative way of spinning it for the Warriors. When you have the opportunity to add a former MVP without losing their major core players than you do it.

I wonder why Michael Jordan never teamed up with Karl Malone back in the day? Maybe its because Jordan wanted to be the best ever and did not need this kind of BS ruining his legacy.

The "Warriors" and specifically Curry had a chance to be GOAT. Not anymore. I hope Durant was worth it.


It wasn't all that easy for players to move teams as a free agent back in the 80's and early 90's. For most of that period teams had to pay compensation for free agents they signed effectively making it like trading for a player and not having control over what assets your team loses in the process. By that time Jordan was playing on the best team in the league with a HOFer at his side.
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Re: [Marks] A loophole in the CBA could allow Golden State to sign Andrew Bogut 

Post#143 » by mvpshaq32 » Fri Feb 24, 2017 6:40 pm

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Rafael122 wrote:Irony is in order to keep their core 4, they might move on from Iggy as well. Unless he takes a massive pay cut.

The irony is that they call themselves The Warriors. Stacking the deck is the least quality of any true Warrior.


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Re: [Marks] A loophole in the CBA could allow Golden State to sign Andrew Bogut 

Post#144 » by phanman » Fri Feb 24, 2017 6:45 pm

clippertown wrote:
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Say what you will but grabbing Durant after winning 72 games was a coward move. It doesn't matter how you try and spin it. We all know the truth. I only pray that the Warriors fail to win the championship. Then we will all laugh and have a good time with it.


It was a coward on KDs part, but there really is no negative way of spinning it for the Warriors. When you have the opportunity to add a former MVP without losing their major core players than you do it.

I wonder why Michael Jordan never teamed up with Karl Malone back in the day? Maybe its because Jordan wanted to be the best ever and did not need this kind of BS ruining his legacy.

The "Warriors" and specifically Curry had a chance to be GOAT. Not anymore. I hope Durant was worth it.


That is precisely what I mean, it was coward move on Durant part to join the team but for the Warriors organization, it was a no brainer. Obviously the Warriors run their team with the goal of winning the championship, and when you can add a premier talent like KD, you don't think twice since it would make the goal a whole lot easier.

In Curry's case, you can clearly see that the man is a team a player and individual accolades don't concern him too much anymore. He is already going to go down as the best shooter in league history, has won a ring and is a 2x MVP(one time unanimous to boot). Rings and FMVP are all that are missing from his cupboard, and bringing in KD makes his life easier. The guy is still the 1A to Durant's 1B in the pecking order and since he has been around longer, it will always be known as his team - so it doesn't hurt him too much.

Remember Curry is the son of an NBA player, and is wired a bit differently than other players in regards to accolades and attention.
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Re: [Marks] A loophole in the CBA could allow Golden State to sign Andrew Bogut 

Post#145 » by Johnny Firpo » Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:16 pm

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Strawman's point given GSW is the overwhelming favorite since acquiring KD for, what, the next 5 years or so?


How is that a strawman? Everyone says Durant is weak for joining the team that beat him, and he directly made an analogy to Durant.


How can you argue from a competitive standpoint Bogut would face stiffer competition by joining the overwhelming favorite to win the title, who by the way, got rid of you to form an even stronger team than the previous implementation?


You are both right and both wrong, depending on how you look at it.
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Re: [Marks] A loophole in the CBA could allow Golden State to sign Andrew Bogut 

Post#146 » by clippertown » Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:27 pm

phanman wrote:
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phanman wrote:
It was a coward on KDs part, but there really is no negative way of spinning it for the Warriors. When you have the opportunity to add a former MVP without losing their major core players than you do it.

I wonder why Michael Jordan never teamed up with Karl Malone back in the day? Maybe its because Jordan wanted to be the best ever and did not need this kind of BS ruining his legacy.

The "Warriors" and specifically Curry had a chance to be GOAT. Not anymore. I hope Durant was worth it.


That is precisely what I mean, it was coward move on Durant part to join the team but for the Warriors organization, it was a no brainer. Obviously the Warriors run their team with the goal of winning the championship, and when you can add a premier talent like KD, you don't think twice since it would make the goal a whole lot easier.

In Curry's case, you can clearly see that the man is a team a player and individual accolades don't concern him too much anymore. He is already going to go down as the best shooter in league history, has won a ring and is a 2x MVP(one time unanimous to boot). Rings and FMVP are all that are missing from his cupboard, and bringing in KD makes his life easier. The guy is still the 1A to Durant's 1B in the pecking order and since he has been around longer, it will always be known as his team - so it doesn't hurt him too much.

Remember Curry is the son of an NBA player, and is wired a bit differently than other players in regards to accolades and attention.

I personally think Curry will be 1B to Durant's 1A. He cost himself any chance of even being in the discussion of GOAT.

All GSW did by acquiring Durant is prove the point that if you can't beat them, join them. I just can't respect that.
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Post#147 » by Baseline Runner » Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:32 pm

Why did Golden State get rid of Bogut in the first place?
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Post#148 » by phanman » Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:33 pm

clippertown wrote:
phanman wrote:
clippertown wrote:I wonder why Michael Jordan never teamed up with Karl Malone back in the day? Maybe its because Jordan wanted to be the best ever and did not need this kind of BS ruining his legacy.

The "Warriors" and specifically Curry had a chance to be GOAT. Not anymore. I hope Durant was worth it.


That is precisely what I mean, it was coward move on Durant part to join the team but for the Warriors organization, it was a no brainer. Obviously the Warriors run their team with the goal of winning the championship, and when you can add a premier talent like KD, you don't think twice since it would make the goal a whole lot easier.

In Curry's case, you can clearly see that the man is a team a player and individual accolades don't concern him too much anymore. He is already going to go down as the best shooter in league history, has won a ring and is a 2x MVP(one time unanimous to boot). Rings and FMVP are all that are missing from his cupboard, and bringing in KD makes his life easier. The guy is still the 1A to Durant's 1B in the pecking order and since he has been around longer, it will always be known as his team - so it doesn't hurt him too much.

Remember Curry is the son of an NBA player, and is wired a bit differently than other players in regards to accolades and attention.

I personally think Curry will be 1B to Durant's 1A. He cost himself any chance of even being in the discussion of GOAT.

All GSW did by acquiring Durant is prove the point that if you can't beat them, join them. I just can't respect that.


Even with the magical season Curry had he was never really in discussion to be the GOAT over the likes of MJ and to a lesser extent Bron. He just doesn't have that 2-way impact that those guys did and it definitely plays a factor in determining the best ever.


To the bolded, again, your really just enforcing the point in regards to Durant not the Warriors organization. If you recall, they already BEAT "them" a year prior
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Post#149 » by wfiles » Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:43 pm

Baseline Runner wrote:Why did Golden State get rid of Bogut in the first place?


Have you been living in a cave? Warriors needed cap space to sign this guy named Kevin Durant. :lol:
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Post#150 » by Balkman32 » Fri Feb 24, 2017 7:51 pm

This loophole and Golden State has to stop.
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Post#151 » by beeshake » Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:04 pm

How does GS still have any money left?
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Post#152 » by Nutty Nats Fan » Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:06 pm

baller16 wrote:Yeah I can't see Silver letting it go through. The Warriors are beyond stacked, no need to add more on top of that

If it's legal by the rules of the CBA, there is nothing Silver can do.
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Post#153 » by TheDeadDodo » Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:10 pm

beeshake wrote:How does GS still have any money left?


It's all thanks to Curry's ankles, which allowed them to sign him to a 4-year, $44 million deal (which was viewed by many as a gamble at the time, since no one was sure if he'd ever be able to shake what was viewed as a chronic condition). Strange as it sounds, his injury not only helped the team build a contender, but may have made him richer in the long run, since GS's crazy run of success has resulted in all sorts of endorsements for its best player.
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Re: [Marks] A loophole in the CBA could allow Golden State to sign Andrew Bogut 

Post#154 » by beeshake » Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:52 pm

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beeshake wrote:How does GS still have any money left?


It's all thanks to Curry's ankles, which allowed them to sign him to a 4-year, $44 million deal (which was viewed by many as a gamble at the time, since no one was sure if he'd ever be able to shake what was viewed as a chronic condition). Strange as it sounds, his injury not only helped the team build a contender, but may have made him richer in the long run, since GS's crazy run of success has resulted in all sorts of endorsements for its best player.


Damn!!! so this might be the last year this roster can stay stacked.
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Post#155 » by Warriorfan » Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:06 pm

beeshake wrote:
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beeshake wrote:How does GS still have any money left?


It's all thanks to Curry's ankles, which allowed them to sign him to a 4-year, $44 million deal (which was viewed by many as a gamble at the time, since no one was sure if he'd ever be able to shake what was viewed as a chronic condition). Strange as it sounds, his injury not only helped the team build a contender, but may have made him richer in the long run, since GS's crazy run of success has resulted in all sorts of endorsements for its best player.


Damn!!! so this might be the last year this roster can stay stacked.


Durant Curr Thompson Green will cost 92-100 mil the luxury tax kicks in 117 or so. Key free agents Iggy, Livingston, Zaza, Jevale MG Gee and Ian Clark RFA work in there somewhere.
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Post#156 » by Baseline Runner » Fri Feb 24, 2017 10:19 pm

wfiles wrote:
Baseline Runner wrote:Why did Golden State get rid of Bogut in the first place?


Have you been living in a cave? Warriors needed cap space to sign this guy named Kevin Durant. :lol:


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Post#157 » by DoItALL9 » Sat Feb 25, 2017 3:33 pm

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MoMan24 wrote:I understand but I think the rule should be a year to the day on a player you traded away.


Based on all the reports, Bogut has no intention of returning to GS anyway so this is an academic discussion.

I figured as much. It just does't set well with me that a team can trade a player away to acquire a player and get back the traded player before the playoffs. That just seems flawed to me and maybe I'm not making sense here. I just don't think you can have your cake and eat it to type of thing. I don't know.


I understand your feeling i think but can you explain why you would look at it totally different the next season?
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Post#158 » by laika » Sat Feb 25, 2017 4:00 pm

I really hope the Warriors don't sign Bogut, but for the exact opposite reason of most people.

Bogut has been completely worthless against the Cavs twice now. That is at least one time too many. I think the Warriors would be better off without him.
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Post#159 » by SAKURABA216 » Sat Feb 25, 2017 5:02 pm

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clippertown wrote:
Rafael122 wrote:Irony is in order to keep their core 4, they might move on from Iggy as well. Unless he takes a massive pay cut.

The irony is that they call themselves The Warriors. Stacking the deck is the least quality of any true Warrior.


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Post#160 » by MoMan24 » Sat Feb 25, 2017 6:11 pm

DoItALL9 wrote:
MoMan24 wrote:
jbk1234 wrote:
Based on all the reports, Bogut has no intention of returning to GS anyway so this is an academic discussion.

I figured as much. It just does't set well with me that a team can trade a player away to acquire a player and get back the traded player before the playoffs. That just seems flawed to me and maybe I'm not making sense here. I just don't think you can have your cake and eat it to type of thing. I don't know.


I understand your feeling i think but can you explain why you would look at it totally different the next season?

I do not like the idea of having Bogut with like 8 weeks before the playoffs paired with KD since you choose KD over Bogut and everyone else you had to give up. I think its fair to basically tell teams that you can not make a playoff push the very next year with the acquired player and traded player, but you can in 2 years since banning a player from a team for more than a year is a bit much. Also a lot can change in 2 years. But again if GSW had a choice they probably keep Bogut and get rid of everyone else to get KD which was not possible but now it is which should not be at least not so soon.

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