Kyrie Trade Discussion Continued

[Revived]

I really feel the Suns would offer Bledsoe + JJ + Pick. And I'm 50/50 on whether or not the Cavs would accept that

I'd hope the Cavs would try to squeeze Shumpert in there and ask for Chandler in return. Maybe give them a top 3 protection on the pick or something close to that if it's necessary.

Bledsoe and Chandler had good chemistry last year and it would allow TT to come of the bench where IMO he's much more effective.

It wouldn't be the Suns pick, it would be the Heat pick which is already top 7 protected.

And it wouldn't be Jackson, it would be Warren who is still a better young player than the Cavs can get from any other team for Irving. Maybe Chriss or Bender too.

Adding Chandler and dumping Shumpert on the Suns shouldn't be an issue.

Something like Bledsoe, Warren, 2018 Miami 1st and Chriss (last year's #7 pick) and Chandler for Kyrie, Shumpert and maybe Frye or RJ?

[DAWill1128]

Can't blame Kyrie for wanting to leave, if LeBron isn't willing to commit than why should Kyrie? Kyrie is basically betting that LeBron will leave so he figures might as well get into a more stable long term situation. LeBrons unwillingness to talk about committing basically shows Kyrie this isn't a foundation to last.

Maybe it makes sense to ship out LeBron along with an older guy on a bad contract like Smith to the highest bidder. Try to grab a young up and coming star or some good young pieces and build around a new big 3 long term. The Cavs need to look at the situation long term as a franchise.

If your not shipping LeBron then bring in Melo and start Rose, give it one more shot at the title because it's over after that. Guys like Melo, Smith, Korver will be a year older and Rose and LeBron might just leave. Any situation involving LeBron staying is one crack at the plate to hit a home run.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Here is my half baked trade idea.

Cleveland In: Marc Gasol, Mike Conely
Cleveland Out: Kyrie Irving, JR Smith, Tristan Thompson

Memphis In: Kyrie Irving, JR Smith, Tristan Thompson
Memphis Out: Marc Gasol, Mike Conely

[Dupp]

Here is my half baked trade idea.

Cleveland In: Marc Gasol, Mike Conely
Cleveland Out: Kyrie Irving, JR Smith, Tristan Thompson

Memphis In: Kyrie Irving, JR Smith, Tristan Thompson
Memphis Out: Marc Gasol, Mike Conely

This is like best case scenario for me. Id throw in future unprotected pick and cedi and felder if wanted. Gilbert seems like hes not gonna give up a pick though.

[Lalouie]

Reports out that Knicks and Trailblazers are talking a 3 team deal but with Melo not going to Portland....

Could the Cavs be the third team?

Knicks: Get Irving
Cavs: Get McCollum and Melo
Portland: Gets Love

Hmmmmmm Knicks and Portland need to throw more in, but that would be interesting.

i ALMOST like this in a " i like where they all end up" kind of way, except that giving up love and irving and only getting melo and mccollum is terrible. i never liked what love became with lebron,,,lebron and melo deserve each other.,,,,irving @nyk sounds almost too perfect. portland giving up mccullum for love is the biggest heist in sports....they need to give up lillard plus 1 at the very least

[RingsDontLie]

Lakers in: Kyrie Irving
Lakers out: Lonzo Ball, Deng(salary match), and Julius Randle

Seems fair to me. Cavs need to think about getting a lotto pick now. They know they won't win against GSW without Kyrie. Heck they might not beat Boston without Kyrie. I just get the feeling James throws in the towel in Boston again.

Lonzo will be the new Lebron in Cleveland. And getting Lonzo might actually encourage Lebron to stay. He did go to watch Lonzo play in summer league.

[bigpimpatl]

Here is my half baked trade idea.

Cleveland In: Marc Gasol, Mike Conely
Cleveland Out: Kyrie Irving, JR Smith, Tristan Thompson

Memphis In: Kyrie Irving, JR Smith, Tristan Thompson
Memphis Out: Marc Gasol, Mike Conely

This is like best case scenario for me. Id throw in future unprotected pick and cedi and felder if wanted. Gilbert seems like hes not gonna give up a pick though.

Can't see why Memphis would do it. Even Cavs add picks Conley and Gasol are signed a couple years so the pick would have to be way in the future (otherwise non-lottery).

[WhateverBro]

Here is my half baked trade idea.

Cleveland In: Marc Gasol, Mike Conely
Cleveland Out: Kyrie Irving, JR Smith, Tristan Thompson

Memphis In: Kyrie Irving, JR Smith, Tristan Thompson
Memphis Out: Marc Gasol, Mike Conely

Why would Memphis do this deal?

[shangrila]

Lakers in: Kyrie Irving
Lakers out: Lonzo Ball, Deng(salary match), and Julius Randle

Seems fair to me. Cavs need to think about getting a lotto pick now. They know they won't win against GSW without Kyrie. Heck they might not beat Boston without Kyrie. I just get the feeling James throws in the towel in Boston again.

Lonzo will be the new Lebron in Cleveland. And getting Lonzo might actually encourage Lebron to stay. He did go to watch Lonzo play in summer league.

I'd do this just to watch Lavar lose his mind.

[PKABOOICU]

Houston. We want no part of Irving and Harden on the same team playing together for extended minutes.

Harden+Kyrie is a better fit than Harden+CP3

CP3 cant play off the ball. He needs the ball in his hands to orchestrate an offense like a traditional PG.
Kyrie alongside Harden would allow Harden to control the ball while Kyrie plays most minutes at the SG position. CP3 cant play SG. Thats not his game, whereas Harden and Kyrie can both play PG and SG.
The ball would just flow a lot better when you have 2 ball dominant guards who can play multiple positions as compared to 2 ball dominant guards, in which one (cp3) can only play one position.

Honestly, I think Kyrie for CP3 is a trade that would help both teams get better.
It would be great for cleveland, but I think Houston values CP3 much more than Kyrie.



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[turk3d]

Here is my half baked trade idea.

Cleveland In: Marc Gasol, Mike Conely
Cleveland Out: Kyrie Irving, JR Smith, Tristan Thompson

Memphis In: Kyrie Irving, JR Smith, Tristan Thompson
Memphis Out: Marc Gasol, Mike Conely

Why would Memphis do this deal?

Cavs would be lucky to get just Gasol. Forget about Conley, plus they have Rose now which might actually be a better fit than Kyrie. What they need is a bonafide Center which they get in Gasol. Then trade Love for Carmelo. No need for Memphis to trade Conley. Memphis would need a replacement Center, however which is why I don't think they would do it. They'd have to play Conley and Kyrie in the backcourt with Kyrie playing the 2 (which would be even worse defense).

Gasol/Thompson
Lebron or Melo
Melo or Lebron
JR/Korver
Rose/Felder

This would be better for Cleveland however.

[Seabass11]

I've gotta laugh at some of my fellow Cavs fans for getting so angry at Kyrie. The dude gave his entire young adulthood to this city without ANY ties to it beforehand. He delivered "the shot" that gave us our first championship in 50 years...i repeat...50 years. And you guys are out here acting like he orchestrated a 1 hour ESPN special to announce this decision. He's telling us TWO years before his contract is up which gives us a chance to get a decent return which is WAYYY more than we will get if LeBron leaves next year (most we can hope for is a few picks in a SnT)...

I don't blame Kyrie one bit for not playing LeBron's "will he stay or will he go" BS. We all knew this Super Team was going to end in a rebuild, especially after Durant's decision. Pre-Durant there was hope Ky/Love could carry LeBron to a few chips in his later years but alas...that was not to be. The same people saying we should have traded Kyrie for Butler are the ones pissed at him for wanting to leave now. "Loyalty" is a one way street to those people.

To Kyrie: Thanks for being my favorite player in the league to watch for the past 6 years. You bring a certain flare to the game and rise up in the biggest moments. I will never forget the feeling I had after "The Shot" and the joy that it brought me. Go do your thing Young Fella.

[MartinToVaught]

I think the real reason he wants out is because he knows Lebron is going to leave next season, and Kyrie is going to end up stuck in a sh*t situation in Cleveland... I think he's trying to simply control his own destiny while he can. He knows for a fact that this season is really a throw-away. Who cares if you make it back to the finals... for what?... to get swept again? That's what's waiting for them. There is literally nothing the Cavs current roster can do to beat GS. If I'm in Kyrie's shoes... I might try to push for a move as well.

Based on the reaction from LBJ's camp, I think the real reason he wants out is that he really doesn't want to play with LBJ anymore. Today, on ESPN they said he almost asked for trade last year, after the Cavs won a championship, when LBJ re-signed.

I wouldn't be surprised if Kyrie never wanted to play with LeBron. He clearly has a massive ego and couldn't bear the thought of anyone taking the spotlight away from him on "his" team - even the greatest player of this generation.

For all the haters' narratives about how LeBron is selfish and a control freak, he bent over backwards to make it work with Kyrie. When he came back to Cleveland, he referred to the Cavs as "Kyrie's show." He allowed Kyrie to hold the ball longer than him, lead the team in shots and get almost as many touches as him despite being the significantly worse player. He even got Kyrie a ring! I think that's probably why LeBron is so angry at Kyrie. No matter how hard he tried to make it work, nothing short of being the only "star" in the locker room would ever be enough for Kyrie's ego.

[andrewww]

I've gotta laugh at some of my fellow Cavs fans for getting so angry at Kyrie. The dude gave his entire young adulthood to this city without ANY ties to it beforehand. He delivered "the shot" that gave us our first championship in 50 years...i repeat...50 years. And you guys are out here acting like he orchestrated a 1 hour ESPN special to announce this decision. He's telling us TWO years before his contract is up which gives us a chance to get a decent return which is WAYYY more than we will get if LeBron leaves next year (most we can hope for is a few picks in a SnT)...

I don't blame Kyrie one bit for not playing LeBron's "will he stay or will he go" BS. We all knew this Super Team was going to end in a rebuild, especially after Durant's decision. Pre-Durant there was hope Ky/Love could carry LeBron to a few chips in his later years but alas...that was not to be. The same people saying we should have traded Kyrie for Butler are the ones pissed at him for wanting to leave now. "Loyalty" is a one way street to those people.

To Kyrie: Thanks for being my favorite player in the league to watch for the past 6 years. You bring a certain flare to the game and rise up in the biggest moments. I will never forget the feeling I had after "The Shot" and the joy that it brought me. Go do your thing Young Fella.

I think its also worth noting that by all accounts (and if you think logically as well from a motive POV), it definitely wasn't Kyrie's camp who leaked the news about him wanting out especially if he had a private meeting with management a week ago. So as to not lower his trade value. It wouldn't make sense for management to leak this either. It would however, make sense for Lebron's camp to leak it; make Kyrie the scapegoat so he can justify leaving again. I wouldn't underestimate Lebron's PR team to sell a narrative such as him "coming home" for example.

If Lebron didn't care about exercising as much power as he could and to protect his brand, his teams may have been more successful in Miami and now Cleveland. Instead, the weak minded front office of theirs was pressured by their own superstar to make "win now" moves and drain the team of its assets including cap space.

[skones]

I think the real reason he wants out is because he knows Lebron is going to leave next season, and Kyrie is going to end up stuck in a sh*t situation in Cleveland... I think he's trying to simply control his own destiny while he can. He knows for a fact that this season is really a throw-away. Who cares if you make it back to the finals... for what?... to get swept again? That's what's waiting for them. There is literally nothing the Cavs current roster can do to beat GS. If I'm in Kyrie's shoes... I might try to push for a move as well.

Based on the reaction from LBJ's camp, I think the real reason he wants out is that he really doesn't want to play with LBJ anymore. Today, on ESPN they said he almost asked for trade last year, after the Cavs won a championship, when LBJ re-signed.

I wouldn't be surprised if Kyrie never wanted to play with LeBron. He clearly has a massive ego and couldn't bear the thought of anyone taking the spotlight away from him on "his" team - even the greatest player of this generation.

For all the haters' narratives about how LeBron is selfish and a control freak, he bent over backwards to make it work with Kyrie. When he came back to Cleveland, he referred to the Cavs as "Kyrie's show." He allowed Kyrie to hold the ball longer than him, lead the team in shots and get almost as many touches as him despite being the significantly worse player. He even got Kyrie a ring! I think that's probably why LeBron is so angry at Kyrie. No matter how hard he tried to make it work, nothing short of being the only "star" in the locker room would ever be enough for Kyrie's ego.

You're not trying to make it work for anyone when you're unwilling to commit long term to that team in the first place. If Lebron leaves, Irving is hung out to dry with a roster full of Lebron's overpaid buddies, and I don't think Lebron gives a second thought to Kyrie should he bolt.

[AirP.]

Can't blame Kyrie for wanting to leave, if LeBron isn't willing to commit than why should Kyrie? Kyrie is basically betting that LeBron will leave so he figures might as well get into a more stable long term situation. LeBrons unwillingness to talk about committing basically shows Kyrie this isn't a foundation to last.

This is absolutely about LeBron (probably) leaving in a year.

If Kyrie stays another year and LeBron leaves 1 of 2 things will more then likely happen.
1. Kyrie will be left in the aftermath of not much talent and horrible contracts to playres like JR Smith, Thompson(going away from big men) and Shumpert.
2. Being traded this summer vs next without LeBron, the Cavs will look to get back a good player to help a title run vs as many great assets as they can get meaning Kyrie being traded to a rebuilding/bad team.

I don't believe the "Kyrie wants to be the man" stuff. If you listen to him on podcasts, if you look at his short list that kinda tells you that's not true(New York it would be him an Porzingis building that team), but its a great way to make the Cleveland situation look more unstable and gives LeBron a good excuse to move on with as little repercussions as possible for leaving Cleveland a 2nd time.

Kyrie who doesn't have much control over his immediate future team is trying to have at least some control, which asking for a trade this summer vs next summer with no LeBron does. The list probably doesn't mean anything to Cleveland but it does let those teams on it know he's highly interested in them.

[Chris Porter's Hair]

I'd hope the Cavs would try to squeeze Shumpert in there and ask for Chandler in return. Maybe give them a top 3 protection on the pick or something close to that if it's necessary.

Bledsoe and Chandler had good chemistry last year and it would allow TT to come of the bench where IMO he's much more effective.

I would do the trade even without a pick. Just straight up Bledsoe + JJ for Irving, or Bledsoe + JJ + Chandler for Irving + Shumpert. If they got Chandler they could consider trading TT for one of the plethora of decent but overpriced wings that are out there to use in the 2nd unit small ball lineups with Lebron at PF.

I also really like the Milwaukee deal for Middleton and Brogdon.

Problem with the Milwaukee deal is that you need a volume scorer in return for Kyrie. I also am not really a fan of trading for 2nd year players based on their rookie year. Too much risk in that, especially for a suprising player like Brogdon.

The defensive improvement might be good but it's only perimeter defense which is inherently less valuable.

I'd rather just have Bledsoe and JJ even if Shumpert also gets shipped out and there's no pick included.

I don't think I buy that. Cleveland didn't have trouble scoring. They had trouble playing defense. This is also why I don't blink as a Warriors fan at the idea of the Cavs adding Carmelo. I think a deal that turned Kyrie into two guys that were offensively capable but also played good defense could do them a lot of good. This is also reflected in the benches. Cleveland padded their bench with veterans that can score, for the most part. We added veterans that were comfortable playing a role and were willing to play hard on defense.

[andrewww]

This is absolutely about LeBron (probably) leaving in a year.

If Kyrie stays another year and LeBron leaves 1 of 2 things will more then likely happen.
1. Kyrie will be left in the aftermath of not much talent and horrible contracts to playres like JR Smith, Thompson(going away from big men) and Shumpert.
2. Being traded this summer vs next without LeBron, the Cavs will look to get back a good player to help a title run vs as many great assets as they can get meaning Kyrie being traded to a rebuilding/bad team.

I don't believe the "Kyrie wants to be the man" stuff. If you listen to him on podcasts, if you look at his short list that kinda tells you that's not true(New York it would be him an Porzingis building that team), but its a great way to make the Cleveland situation look more unstable and gives LeBron a good excuse to move on with as little repercussions as possible for leaving Cleveland a 2nd time.

Kyrie who doesn't have much control over his immediate future team is trying to have at least some control, which asking for a trade this summer vs next summer with no LeBron does. The list probably doesn't mean anything to Cleveland but it does let those teams on it know he's highly interested in them.

Agreed on Kyrie not really caring about "being the man". You dont list teams like San Antonio or Minnesota if you're looking to be undisputed lead dog.

[Sothron]

It is comical how fans don't blink an eye at teams trading players but if a player wants to be traded suddenly he's a traitor and disloyal. Perspective.

[phraoh]

As a Cavs fan, if you are trading Kyrie now (which they will be), the reports from Windhurst I believe are accurate. They are looking for a young centerpiece, along with a couple of young vets that are starter quality, and maybe a pick. Conley and Gasol do not fit in the least, plus Conley has several years to go on a bad contract, and Gasol is aging very badly (with injuries, etc.). I wouldn't trade Kyrie and Shumpert for Conley and Gasol, and people saying Memphis wouldn't do it are crazy. What has Memphis done with Conley and Gasol...nothing....but be a treadmill team.