Bayless: Vince Carter played himself out of HOF in late career

Tiny ball · Post #141 » by **Tiny ball** » Sat Jul 28, 2018 1:15 pm

Ballerhogger wrote:You either have him as HOF now or never. He’s decent HOF after McGrady got in, it’s a sure thing

I didn't think McGrady should have made hall.

Shoe · Post #142 » by **Shoe** » Sat Jul 28, 2018 2:23 pm

Literally anyone can get into the basketball Hall of Fame. Name one guy who is controversially kept out of it.

dacrusha · Post #143 » by **dacrusha** » Sat Jul 28, 2018 11:49 pm

VC will get in the HOF for his dunking prowess much like Calvin Murphy got into the hall based on his fine free throw skills.

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Sark · Post #144 » by **Sark** » Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:16 am

Shoe wrote:Literally anyone can get into the basketball Hall of Fame. Name one guy who is controversially kept out of it.

Chris Webber
Kevin Johnson
Tim Hardaway
Ben Wallace

It's not THAT easy to get in.

benson13 · Post #145 » by **benson13** » Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:21 am

Why do people even care what Skip has to say? He is the Lavar Ball of sports writers. He's a fan of like 200 teams, he says the dumbest **** possible, and he offers zero analysis. I'm not even sure he's a sports fan. He just wants to get rich(and he's succeeded) in journalism. If he wasn't able to do it in sports he could have been a political commenator and been Glenn Beck.

At this point I actively try to avoid watching anything he's in.

benson13 · Post #146 » by **benson13** » Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:23 am

Shoe wrote:Literally anyone can get into the basketball Hall of Fame. Name one guy who is controversially kept out of it.

Tom Chambers

GIMME_DATT · Post #147 » by **GIMME_DATT** » Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:24 am

Tiny ball wrote:
Ballerhogger wrote:If the nba had nfl standards of HOF he would not make it . Neither would melo

I think he has more of a claim than melo.

Not when you/count college. Talking nba standards obviously

ericwright1218 · Post #148 » by **ericwright1218** » Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:37 am

I'd say it's the opposite. At one point his biggest knock was that he wasn't a team player or that he was kind of a bad guy to have around. I think he's completely shed that label. I think he's helped his candidacy, not hurt it.

azcatz11 · Post #149 » by **azcatz11** » Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:43 am

Sark wrote:
Shoe wrote:Literally anyone can get into the basketball Hall of Fame. Name one guy who is controversially kept out of it.

Chris Webber
Kevin Johnson
Tim Hardaway
Ben Wallace

It's not THAT easy to get in.

How is Ben Wallace not in the HoF

An Unbiased Fan · Post #150 » by **An Unbiased Fan** » Sun Jul 29, 2018 12:47 am

Sark wrote:
Shoe wrote:Literally anyone can get into the basketball Hall of Fame. Name one guy who is controversially kept out of it.

Chris Webber
Kevin Johnson
Tim Hardaway
Ben Wallace

It's not THAT easy to get in.

And both Webber and Big Ben had better careers than Vince.

Lalouie · Post #151 » by **Lalouie** » Sun Jul 29, 2018 1:44 am

Tiny ball wrote:
Lalouie wrote:
Tiny ball wrote:Pete Rose? Did they ever let him in.

Wouldn't you say the rose thing was like the Simpson thing?

Well no one got murdered that I know of.

you really miss the point do you?

iggymcfrack · Post #152 » by **iggymcfrack** » Sun Jul 29, 2018 2:09 am

An Unbiased Fan wrote:Disagree with Skip.......Vince has never been HOF level.

Resume:
All-NBA 2nd team - once
All-NBA 3rd team - once
Top 9 MVP finishes - never
NBA Finals - never
Conference Finals - once

What's Vince's argument other than being arguably the GOAT dunker.

In NBA history, he's:
-22nd in points
-27th in VORP
-41st in WS
-8th in 3-pointers
-44th lowest turnover percentage
-47th in steals

In the 2000/2001 season, he was:
-2nd in PER
-2nd in BPM
-1st in OBPM

For total seasons, he has:
-8 seasons with a PER over 20.0
-10 seasons averaging at least 20 PPG

He was also the leading scorer on the USA 2000 Olympic gold medal team while having the second least turnovers on the entire team.

Looks like a first-ballot HOFer to me. I don't think he'll be outclassed by the 174 players that are currently members.

Scott Hall · Post #153 » by **Scott Hall** » Sun Jul 29, 2018 3:02 am

No wonder Donald Trump is always after the American media

Plutonashfan · Post #154 » by **Plutonashfan** » Sun Jul 29, 2018 3:05 am

magnumt wrote:Skip Bayless is an idiot.

--Mags

winner!!!!

Plutonashfan · Post #155 » by **Plutonashfan** » Sun Jul 29, 2018 3:07 am

Kimiko wrote:We need to ban all FS1 "analysts"...all of them suck.

Shannon is funny as hell and usually pro player and is VERY positive. He also knows his football.

Spurvol1 · Post #156 » by **Spurvol1** » Sun Jul 29, 2018 3:16 am

HurricaneKid wrote:https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/hof_prob.html

94.6% likely to go to HoF.

Bayless an idiot. AGAIN.

Yet they have Manu at around 20%? Manu isn't one of the all-time greats I get it, but what he has done for basketball here and abroad, makes him a near guarantee.

JayMKE · Post #157 » by **JayMKE** » Sun Jul 29, 2018 3:20 am

VC gets in just by baptizing that poor French center at the rim in the Olympics, of course he's a HOFer. You can't play yourself out, that is dumb as hell.

Tiny ball · Post #158 » by **Tiny ball** » Sun Jul 29, 2018 3:37 am

GIMME_DATT wrote:
Tiny ball wrote:
Ballerhogger wrote:If the nba had nfl standards of HOF he would not make it . Neither would melo

I think he has more of a claim than melo.

Not when you/count college. Talking nba standards obviously

And the olympics. I forgot about that.

HurricaneKid · Post #159 » by **HurricaneKid** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 6:01 pm

Spurvol1 wrote:
HurricaneKid wrote:https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/hof_prob.html

94.6% likely to go to HoF.

Bayless an idiot. AGAIN.

Yet they have Manu at around 20%? Manu isn't one of the all-time greats I get it, but what he has done for basketball here and abroad, makes him a near guarantee.

Manu is a lock. The BBR calculation doesn't include any college or international play so adjust accordingly. So Manu carrying a team to a gold over the USA isn't even recognized.

blueNorange · Post #160 » by **blueNorange** » Mon Jul 30, 2018 6:37 pm

i don't think vince carter was ever going to be a hall of famer in the first place.