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MeloRoseNoah wrote:Player on the top 5 Rushmore doesn't miss the playoff. If the Lakers miss the playoff this year, Lebron shouldn't be considered a top 5 player of all time. It's his fault for being dumb enough to go to a clown show in LA. He has nobody to blame but himself for that.
MeloRoseNoah wrote:Deadbeat MJ at 40 years old can drag a bunch of bums into the playoff. I thought we're talking about Lebron as one of the top 5 players of all time in the same breath as MJ.
So, it doesn't what the excuse is. If LBJ is a top 5 all time great, he can drag a bunch of bums off the street into the playoff. It's that simple. LBJ is about to disappear into the twilight of his career by missed playoff appearances. AD and his fake Nice Guy can join the Lakers and have his career ruined over there as well.
LA is a hard place to be a great one, similar to NY due to the distractions and the dumb broads infesting every corner of the street. LBJ in his prime would do well there. However, currently the entire Lakers team outside of LBJ is more interested in participating in dumb LA orgies than spending time in the gym to improve their games.
ocelot17 wrote:If Lebron fails to even make the playoffs in the West, then it tarnishes his eight finals appearances, that just showed how bad the east is.
Hell, lakers are currently in 10th place with less than 30 games left in the regular season, that alone tarnishes his accomplishments.
G35 wrote:thebigbird wrote:G35 wrote:
Eight straight finals coming out of the East and first season in the West and on track to miss the playoffs.
Until you can acknowledge reality you should keep banging your head......
They're on track to miss the playoffs because Lebron got hurt and missed 18 games. Their winning percentage when he was out put them as the 14th worst team in the West. The fact he even has them in the playoff discussion is a testament to his impact.
In 2015 Lebron missed 13 games and the Cavs still won 53 games and went to the finals.
The Lakers were not on pace to win 50 games when Lebron went down (20-14)
Furthermore, injuries are not an excuse. They never have been or never will be.
The Kings are in the playoff discussion without any All Star caliber players, the Clippers are in the playoff discussion trading their best player in Tobias Harris, Houston has been in the playoff conversation with two of their top three players suffering significant injuries.
Stop making excuses.....
ajdontwatchthat wrote:So were Horry and Rick Fox more productive than a young Kobe judging off PER?
Pennebaker wrote:Yes, absolutely. Young Kobe was not a great player.
ajdontwatchthat wrote:G35 wrote:thebigbird wrote:They're on track to miss the playoffs because Lebron got hurt and missed 18 games. Their winning percentage when he was out put them as the 14th worst team in the West. The fact he even has them in the playoff discussion is a testament to his impact.
In 2015 Lebron missed 13 games and the Cavs still won 53 games and went to the finals.
The Lakers were not on pace to win 50 games when Lebron went down (20-14)
Furthermore, injuries are not an excuse. They never have been or never will be.
The Kings are in the playoff discussion without any All Star caliber players, the Clippers are in the playoff discussion trading their best player in Tobias Harris, Houston has been in the playoff conversation with two of their top three players suffering significant injuries.
Stop making excuses.....
He's a Bron Stan. Don't expect him to hold his king accountable.
Every all-time great should receive blame and accountability except LeBron. Those are the rules.
ajdontwatchthat wrote:So were Horry and Rick Fox more productive than a young Kobe judging off PER?
Pennebaker wrote:Yes, absolutely. Young Kobe was not a great player.
AmusingFiddle wrote:I honestly don’t see the intensity level activated. You want to see intensity, go watch some footage of Kobe in the years leading up to his ACL injury.
I think, as he did in Clev, he is being passive on purpose to prove a point. It really bothers me that he doesn’t just take over the game if the others don’t bring it every night.
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LookToShoot wrote:Melo is the only player that makes the Rockets watchable for the basketball purists. Otherwise it would just be three point shots and pick n roll.
LKN wrote:Indomitable wrote:LKN wrote:
Were those actually said to the media? Honestly hard to remember. I wouldn't be surprised if MJ was much more of a dick earlier in his career publicly.
It was off the record and later used in a book. He did not do it in front of a camera. But he would lose the argument then.
Ok - that's what I thought. I have no problem with Lebron letting guys have it behind the scenes.
passthedutch wrote:Why is he always throwing his team under the bus? Is he trying to sound smart or better for the cameras/media? How come he never takes blame/accountability for his own play or his own lack of defense and poor leadership.
When he's doing good or setting records, he is the first person that posts on IG patting his back. Or when his team is winning "this is our squad and I love them". Then literally the next day he calls his teammates losers that don't know how to win games.
How can any teammate want to play for him? This is why Kawhi, Durant, PG don't want to play with him and will go somewhere that there is no Lebron. He literally can't go 1 loss without throwing the whole team under the bus.
An Unbiased Fan wrote:Cavsfansince84 wrote:An Unbiased Fan wrote:
The problem for Lebron is he's 3-6 in the Finals. Other stars have winning records, so when people bring up 8 FInals.....others will point out that Lebron wouldn't have made the Finals 8 straight timein the West.
It's weird how people use his FInals appearances to elevate Bron, but get upset when his bad Finals record is brought up. They go hand in hand. Then you compound things by Bron forming his Wade/Bosh and Love/Kyrie teams, and the results really are unimpressive.
If you are going to bring up the 3-6 finals record then there's no point in bring up him playing in the weaker conference. You can't use both things against him at the same time. Had he played in the west and gone 3-0 in the finals what would the criticism be?
If Lebron had gone 3-0, he would be about the same. Things is though, making it through 3 rounds out West is harder than winning one Finals. So I doubt Lebron makes it 3 times in the West. That 2016 squad doesn't make it. I see 2012/2013, but that's it.
ocelot17 wrote:If Lebron fails to even make the playoffs in the West, then it tarnishes his eight finals appearances, that just showed how bad the east is.
Hell, lakers are currently in 10th place with less than 30 games left in the regular season, that alone tarnishes his accomplishments.
RCM88x wrote:AmusingFiddle wrote:I honestly don’t see the intensity level activated. You want to see intensity, go watch some footage of Kobe in the years leading up to his ACL injury.
I think, as he did in Clev, he is being passive on purpose to prove a point. It really bothers me that he doesn’t just take over the game if the others don’t bring it every night.
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He probably thinks that if he just tried to do everything himself ever game the team will never get better around him. Logically that makes sense for most things. He probably also doesn't want to injury himself again trying to go for 40 every game, because that would certainly make the situation worse.
With the Cavs last yet and even for a few years, there were a lot of games where he just seemed to always do enough to keep it close. Score a basket here and there to keep the deficit to 8-9-10 points or so. Go hard for a possession to end a scoreless streak. Like he was always waiting to see if someone else would take over the game.
Compared to a lot of guys LeBron seems much more big picture and long term focused than most. Guys like Kobe or WB, MJ or whomever treated just about every game like a war, they didn't care about the next one or next season. LeBron, or even guys like Tim Duncan and Magic Johnson seemed to take a different approach, big picture guys. Most players are probably somewhere in the middle, and are more at the mercy of the game or the pace than anything.
With this team he probably wants those guys to show urgency or intensity to win now, rather than just waiting around for it to happen. Maybe that's just part of the culture this Lakers crew has established the past few years, not really any sense of urgency and always a "it'll get better next year" pov that isn't really the case. It certainly took some time for the Cavs to get that in 2014-15, and outside of some short stretches I'm not sure they really ever did. So many times in 2017 and even 2018 it just seemed like no one cared and just knew that no matter what they'd probably end up in the playoffs or in the Finals even if individually players performed poorly. With this team it sort of feels like a number of guys don't seem invested in the long term and have no reason to care, or are young enough they don't feel any sense of urgency.
Steelo Green wrote:LKN wrote:Steelo Green wrote:This happens every year, everyone gets on Lebron and say the world is on fire and he's failing.
He will make the PO and may even upset anyone not named the Warriors.
No one sane denies that he's an all time great... I think that can be true while also being annoyed at how he throws his team under the bus in a passive aggressive fashion. There are a lot of superstars who don't do that and who shoulder the blame regardless of whether they are to blame or not.
To be fair he has to do a lot of heavy lifting.
DaPessimist wrote:Steelo Green wrote:LKN wrote:
No one sane denies that he's an all time great... I think that can be true while also being annoyed at how he throws his team under the bus in a passive aggressive fashion. There are a lot of superstars who don't do that and who shoulder the blame regardless of whether they are to blame or not.
To be fair he has to do a lot of heavy lifting.
He knew who was on the roster when he signed. They weren't a playoff team last year, and they dumped two of their better players to make cap space.
LeBron failing to make the playoffs his first year coming out West is going to be funny though. Regular season actually matters out here Bron.