Is Iggy a Hall of Famer

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Re: Is Iggy a Hall of Famer 

Post#141 » by LakersLegacy » Sun May 19, 2019 5:50 am

Rainwater wrote:Seriously? There is no way Iggy makes the hall of Fame. It's like saying Ron Harper should make the hall of fame. Btw Shawn Marion won't make the Hall the fame either. If guys like Ben Wallace, Chris Webber, Tim Hardaway, and Billups are having a hard time getting in, how the hell will Iggy get in.


It’s like saying Tony Parker should make the hall after 4 championships in 5 appearances with a Finals MVP. If Tony Parker were part of the best regular season team in history with only single digit loses for the entire season.
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Re: Is Iggy a Hall of Famer 

Post#142 » by WarriorGM » Sun May 19, 2019 6:02 am

DoItALL9 wrote:How many less titles do the Warriors win if Iggy is just a replacement level player?


One could argue the Warriors had a good chance of winning in 2016 if Iguodala was fully healthy. So that is 1 championship for you. The 2018 Western Conference Final might have been won in 5 instead of 7 if we was healthy too.
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Re: Is Iggy a Hall of Famer 

Post#143 » by Rainwater » Sun May 19, 2019 9:49 am

LakersLegacy wrote:
Rainwater wrote:Seriously? There is no way Iggy makes the hall of Fame. It's like saying Ron Harper should make the hall of fame. Btw Shawn Marion won't make the Hall the fame either. If guys like Ben Wallace, Chris Webber, Tim Hardaway, and Billups are having a hard time getting in, how the hell will Iggy get in.


It’s like saying Tony Parker should make the hall after 4 championships in 5 appearances with a Finals MVP. If Tony Parker were part of the best regular season team in history with only single digit loses for the entire season.


Parker is also a 6 time all star and 4 time all NBA pro. Dude was arguable the second best player on the tail end of those Spurs team that won titles while Iggy, as a role player, has been riding the coat tails of Green, Curry, Durant, and Thompson. Parker has had multiple years were he received MVP consideration coming in 5th in in 2012 season and 6th in the 2013 season. Iggy has done none of this, not one. Iggy is freaking RON HARPER.
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Re: Is Iggy a Hall of Famer 

Post#144 » by DoItALL9 » Sun May 19, 2019 1:06 pm

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DoItALL9 wrote:How many less titles do the Warriors win if Iggy is just a replacement level player?


One could argue the Warriors had a good chance of winning in 2016 if Iguodala was fully healthy. So that is 1 championship for you. The 2018 Western Conference Final might have been won in 5 instead of 7 if we was healthy too.
Not many would argue they would've won in 2015 without his exceptional abilities.


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Re: Is Iggy a Hall of Famer 

Post#145 » by Liminy » Sun May 19, 2019 1:43 pm

People just don't know how to rate defense very easily.
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Re: Is Iggy a Hall of Famer 

Post#146 » by Galloisdaman » Sun May 19, 2019 1:51 pm

LakersLegacy wrote:
Rainwater wrote:Seriously? There is no way Iggy makes the hall of Fame. It's like saying Ron Harper should make the hall of fame. Btw Shawn Marion won't make the Hall the fame either. If guys like Ben Wallace, Chris Webber, Tim Hardaway, and Billups are having a hard time getting in, how the hell will Iggy get in.


It’s like saying Tony Parker should make the hall after 4 championships in 5 appearances with a Finals MVP. If Tony Parker were part of the best regular season team in history with only single digit loses for the entire season.


Do you think Iggy was as good a player as Tony Parker?

Some people make way too much over rings for passengers. Iggy was never a driving force for any of his previous teams to win a ring so how did he become the driving force for GS to win those rings?

Rings should be the very top layer of icing (or sprinkles) on the cake of a hall of fame career not the whole cake.

The hall of fame should be for the best of the best in pro sports not for role playing passengers.

I was a big Vinnie Johnson fan. Vinnie probably played as big or a bigger playoff role for the Pistons but nobody says he should be in the hall of fame.
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Re: Is Iggy a Hall of Famer 

Post#147 » by Galloisdaman » Sun May 19, 2019 1:57 pm

DoItALL9 wrote:
WarriorGM wrote:
DoItALL9 wrote:How many less titles do the Warriors win if Iggy is just a replacement level player?


One could argue the Warriors had a good chance of winning in 2016 if Iguodala was fully healthy. So that is 1 championship for you. The 2018 Western Conference Final might have been won in 5 instead of 7 if we was healthy too.
Not many would argue they would've won in 2015 without his exceptional abilities.


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That is what a team is about but would they have won without Curry? Without Klay? Without Green? Without Livingston? Often championships take contributions from many players. That does not mean they are all hall of famers.

The Cavs would not have won in 2016 without Tristan Thompsons 10points and 10 rebounds a game. Does that make him a driving force for that ring and deserving of the hall of fame?

Rings do not equal hall of fame and lack of rings does not mean they are not a hall of famer.
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Re: Is Iggy a Hall of Famer 

Post#148 » by shi-woo » Sun May 19, 2019 2:01 pm

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Rainwater wrote:
shi-woo wrote:Made an Allstar team. All-Defense team. Won a Gold Medal. Has 3 rings and counting, and a Finals MVP to cap it all off.

Sure, he isn't as talented as some guy in or out, but in terms of career, absolutely he deserves it, and I bet guys like Gary Payton, John Stockton, ect would kill to have had the career of iguadala.

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Seriously WTF? Gary Payton and John Stockton would kill to have a career like Iggy? Have I entered the twlight Zone? You are talking about 2 of the greatest pgs to play the game. Seriously? How old are you guys? This is seriously a trash tread.


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1 time champion
9 time all star
9 time all NBA
9 time all defensive team
Gold medallist

John Stockon
10 time All Star
5 time all defensive
11 time all nba
9 time ast champ
2 stl champ
I believe number 1 in all time assist
Gold medallist


Some one has to shut this tread down for the stupidity. Such a dumb tread.
I agree, I made a mistake with those two names. I should have used Tracy McGrady and Grant Hill. I was trying to think of players who had solid careers and flashy play, but did 0 when it mattered most. I admit those two were terrible examples

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Re: Is Iggy a Hall of Famer 

Post#149 » by Galloisdaman » Sun May 19, 2019 2:39 pm

shi-woo wrote:
Rainwater wrote:
Rainwater wrote:
Seriously WTF? Gary Payton and John Stockton would kill to have a career like Iggy? Have I entered the twlight Zone? You are talking about 2 of the greatest pgs to play the game. Seriously? How old are you guys? This is seriously a trash tread.


Gary Payton
1 time champion
9 time all star
9 time all NBA
9 time all defensive team
Gold medallist

John Stockon
10 time All Star
5 time all defensive
11 time all nba
9 time ast champ
2 stl champ
I believe number 1 in all time assist
Gold medallist


Some one has to shut this tread down for the stupidity. Such a dumb tread.
I agree, I made a mistake with those two names. I should have used Tracy McGrady and Grant Hill. I was trying to think of players who had solid careers and flashy play, but did 0 when it mattered most. I admit those two were terrible examples

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Grant Hill before his injuries was a great playoff player. He carried poor Detroit teams on his back for 3 years but he is just 1 guy. He did not have the luxury of going along for the ride with Curry, Klay, Green, and later Durant.

Tmac probably averaged around 30ppg for thin Orlando and Houston in the playoffs. I bet if those teams had Iggy instead of Tmac they would have won rings though. :)
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Re: Is Iggy a Hall of Famer 

Post#150 » by benhillboy » Sun May 19, 2019 2:50 pm

I love Iggy but I can probably shoot jumpers and FTs better than he can. That’s a fatal flaw for a SG/SF. He blew 3 attempts from 3 last night as defenders are giving him a 10 foot force field lol.
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Re: Is Iggy a Hall of Famer 

Post#151 » by spikeslovechild » Sun May 19, 2019 4:08 pm

Will he be? Who knows.

Should he be? Hell no. He's never been amongst the greatest players in the league ever at any point of his career.
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Re: Is Iggy a Hall of Famer 

Post#152 » by perimeter » Sun May 19, 2019 5:22 pm

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Could you please explain to me how Iggy is going to get in? There are 100 guys that are just like him and haven't gotten in, how is he the exception???




There are not 100 guys in basketball history who have won 3 NBA Championships, an NBA Finals MVP and an Olympic Gold Medal. The list includes just 7 guys other than Iguodala.

Michael Jordan
Magic Johnson
Larry Bird
Shaquille O'Neal
Kobe Bryant
Lebron James
Dwyane Wade
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Re: Is Iggy a Hall of Famer 

Post#153 » by freethedevil » Sun May 19, 2019 5:25 pm

WarriorGM wrote:
DoItALL9 wrote:How many less titles do the Warriors win if Iggy is just a replacement level player?


One could argue the Warriors had a good chance of winning in 2016 if Iguodala was fully healthy. So that is 1 championship for you. The 2018 Western Conference Final might have been won in 5 instead of 7 if we was healthy too.

Only because the other team was missing their best wing d+3 point shooter
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Re: Is Iggy a Hall of Famer 

Post#154 » by alienpick » Sun May 19, 2019 5:26 pm

i was going to say no, but his Finals MVP pushed me over the fence to a yes
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Re: Is Iggy a Hall of Famer 

Post#155 » by freethedevil » Sun May 19, 2019 5:27 pm

The question isn't "should" it's "will". And whether you like it or not, an fvmp and 3 rings has a pretty decent chance of getting him into the hall
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Re: Is Iggy a Hall of Famer 

Post#156 » by DoItALL9 » Sun May 19, 2019 5:39 pm

Galloisdaman wrote:
DoItALL9 wrote:
WarriorGM wrote:
One could argue the Warriors had a good chance of winning in 2016 if Iguodala was fully healthy. So that is 1 championship for you. The 2018 Western Conference Final might have been won in 5 instead of 7 if we was healthy too.
Not many would argue they would've won in 2015 without his exceptional abilities.


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That is what a team is about but would they have won without Curry? Without Klay? Without Green? Without Livingston? Often championships take contributions from many players. That does not mean they are all hall of famers.

The Cavs would not have won in 2016 without Tristan Thompsons 10points and 10 rebounds a game. Does that make him a driving force for that ring and deserving of the hall of fame?

Rings do not equal hall of fame and lack of rings does not mean they are not a hall of famer.


Galloisdaman wrote:
DoItALL9 wrote:
WarriorGM wrote:
One could argue the Warriors had a good chance of winning in 2016 if Iguodala was fully healthy. So that is 1 championship for you. The 2018 Western Conference Final might have been won in 5 instead of 7 if we was healthy too.
Not many would argue they would've won in 2015 without his exceptional abilities.


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I don't believe the Warriors would've won those championships if they were missing any of those players minus Shaun Livingston. They didn't only win once. They're possibly about to win their 4th which is very significant in the history of the game.

Tristan Thompson's (significant) contribution to 1 title is not truly comparable.

The 2004 Detroit Pistons did not have a superstar player. They won as unit. One ring doesn't earn them HoF status in my opinion however if they had won 4 in a row or 4 in 5 years as the Warriors look apt to do they would be. There's precedence for this with the 60s Celtics. Not every player made the Hall but key contributors did.

Also, it doesn't make sense to try to tell the history of the game which is what the Hall does and not include a Finals MVP. "You play to win the game" and he was deemed the most important player of the series that everyone set out at the start of the year to win.

"Rings do not equal hall of fame and lack of rings does not mean they are not a hall of famer."

Maybe not in your opinion but at a certain point they do seemingly in Springfield, MA if you're a key contributer.

"Key" is subjective though.



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Re: Is Iggy a Hall of Famer 

Post#157 » by benhillboy » Sun May 19, 2019 5:50 pm

The Reference has him at a 6% chance. Compare that to 50% for Joe Johnson, 27% for Draymond, 7% for Isaiah Thomas, and an insane 8% for Giannis due to a very pedestrian playoff career up to this point (sure to boost toward 40% with a Finals MVP, even higher with a league MVP)

Advanced metrics don’t favor Iggy. Outside of defensive box and FT rate there isn’t much to write home about. A career 4.4:1.9 assist:turnover ratio pays dividends every night though. His IQ is so high for a player who never developed and mastered a decent shooting form from the line or the perimeter.
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Re: Is Iggy a Hall of Famer 

Post#158 » by Rainwater » Sun May 19, 2019 5:58 pm

shi-woo wrote:
Rainwater wrote:
Rainwater wrote:
Seriously WTF? Gary Payton and John Stockton would kill to have a career like Iggy? Have I entered the twlight Zone? You are talking about 2 of the greatest pgs to play the game. Seriously? How old are you guys? This is seriously a trash tread.


Gary Payton
1 time champion
9 time all star
9 time all NBA
9 time all defensive team
Gold medallist

John Stockon
10 time All Star
5 time all defensive
11 time all nba
9 time ast champ
2 stl champ
I believe number 1 in all time assist
Gold medallist


Some one has to shut this tread down for the stupidity. Such a dumb tread.
I agree, I made a mistake with those two names. I should have used Tracy McGrady and Grant Hill. I was trying to think of players who had solid careers and flashy play, but did 0 when it mattered most. I admit those two were terrible examples

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Tracy McGrady and Grant Hill are also very bad examples. Iggy was no where the level of those guys. These guys were superstars back in the day Iggy is a role player.
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Re: Is Iggy a Hall of Famer 

Post#159 » by Galloisdaman » Sun May 19, 2019 6:04 pm

DoItALL9 wrote:
Galloisdaman wrote:
DoItALL9 wrote:Not many would argue they would've won in 2015 without his exceptional abilities.


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That is what a team is about but would they have won without Curry? Without Klay? Without Green? Without Livingston? Often championships take contributions from many players. That does not mean they are all hall of famers.

The Cavs would not have won in 2016 without Tristan Thompsons 10points and 10 rebounds a game. Does that make him a driving force for that ring and deserving of the hall of fame?

Rings do not equal hall of fame and lack of rings does not mean they are not a hall of famer.


Galloisdaman wrote:
DoItALL9 wrote:Not many would argue they would've won in 2015 without his exceptional abilities.


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I don't believe the Warriors would've won those championships if they were missing any of those players minus Shaun Livingston. They didn't only win once. They're possibly about to win their 4th which is very significant in the history of the game.

Tristan Thompson's (significant) contribution to 1 title is not truly comparable.

The 2004 Detroit Pistons did not have a superstar player. They won as unit. One ring doesn't earn them HoF status in my opinion however if they had won 4 in a row or 4 in 5 years as the Warriors look apt to do they would be. There's precedence for this with the 60s Celtics. Not every player made the Hall but key contributors did.

Also, it doesn't make sense to try to tell the history of the game which is what the Hall does and not include a Finals MVP. "You play to win the game" and he was deemed the most important player of the series that everyone set out at the start of the year to win.

"Rings do not equal hall of fame and lack of rings does not mean they are not a hall of famer."

Maybe not in your opinion but at a certain point they do seemingly in Springfield, MA if you're a key contributer.

"Key" is subjective though.



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I think being a significant player is what qualifies you for the Hall Of Fame not rings. Judging guys by rings for a team game where a guy is a passenger not a driver is crazy. Iggy has not even been a great playoff player for GS. He averages 9ppg and shoots around 53% from the line in his 6 playoff seasons with GS. He has had some good moments but that is not a hall of fame career. If not for Curry, Klay, Green, and Durant would you be mentioning Iggy as a Hall Of Famer? Other guys on a team should not make someone a hall of famer. You mentioned being a finals mvp. Larry Brown of the Cowboys was a superbowl MVP. By this way of thinking that would make him a NFL Hall OF Famer. Has there been many guys at Iggys level even named Finals MVP? I'm happy he got it but I'm not even sure he really deserved it over Curry (26ppg-5rpg-6apg) ?
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Re: Is Iggy a Hall of Famer 

Post#160 » by Rainwater » Sun May 19, 2019 6:23 pm

perimeter wrote:
Rainwater wrote:
Could you please explain to me how Iggy is going to get in? There are 100 guys that are just like him and haven't gotten in, how is he the exception???




There are not 100 guys in basketball history who have won 3 NBA Championships, an NBA Finals MVP and an Olympic Gold Medal. The list includes just 7 guys other than Iguodala.

Michael Jordan
Magic Johnson
Larry Bird
Shaquille O'Neal
Kobe Bryant
Lebron James
Dwyane Wade


You guys are looking too much into the Olympic squad and 3 finals appearances where he was just a role player for the most part. Where other guys were all doing the heavy lifting and he had to just watch.

You guys are just net picking at this point. There is so much more that guys in to the hall of fame. Iggy is no were as dominant as those guys you have listed. All those guys were multiple time all stars, multiple time all NBA squads, some were multiple time season MVP winners, if they did not win the season MVP they were almost always considered in top 10 MVP voting, they were scoring champs, they were 2nd or 1st options on there respective teams NEVER ROLE PLAYERS, playoff beast. These are things that Iggy has never been and never will be.

There are real people in the gray like Webber, Tim Hardaway, Amar'e, Bilups, Big Ben. And Iggy is not even that.

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