Tyreke Evans dismissed and disqualified from league

[Duke4life831]

So don't come with the "lack of compassion and support" bs. I'm out of this dumbass conversation.

I didn't intend to offend anyone participating in the conversation with a serious approach even if they have a different viewpoint from mine. And I should have been more clear that I was speaking their lack of compassion and support as shown itt. And not everyone who says its not the NBA's job falls into the callous group I was addressing here. I don't know how anyone is IRL and my guess is a lot of them are much more caring IRL than the persona they wish to present here.

And goodness knows I'm in no place to judge anyone. I can't imagine the number of times I could have done good and failed to.

As I was saying, we all have struggles and we all need help and grace at times. And I honestly want everyone to get it when they need it.

You know I have nothing against you at all man. My issue with your post is it basically came off as, those that don't agree with me on this are uncaring and have no compassion. When again the only push back I see in this thread is people saying, it's not the NBA burden to walk players though their personal struggles.

I'm not saying this with a lack of compassion or anything like that. The disagreement is where the primary support should come from. You said his primary support should be the NBA, while people like myself are saying, no we have no problem with a separation of work and personal issues, the primary support should come from family and loved ones. But for saying that, your return to that was, I hope people show you more compassion than you are showing now. I'm sorry but that's just dumb. A disagreement from where the primary support should come from, doesn't show a lack of support or care from either side.

And to all of that, to me this is all a mute point because in the NBA's drug and Abuse policy they clearly state they have a care program, with multiple stages. So that means Evans either didn't take the help offered by the NBA, or still continued to make bad decisions even after the NBA going above and beyond trying to get him help. There is only so much someone can do, especially an employer can do.

[clyde21]

I'm assuming this is not the first time he has been caught. I also don't get the takes that this is wrong by the NBA to do this. The NBA is not his family or parents. It's not on them to help him in this situation. They're his employer. They have a rule and Evans knew the rule and broke it.

this not it

if it's a drug problem, banning him from the league helps no one. send him to rehab. give him support. it's not about being his family it's just common decency and how you should treat your employees.

[teke184]

Why does it matter if he uses hard drugs or not? Shouldn't really matter to anyone but the team he plays for.

The league has kind of frowned on this since half the first rounders in 1986 snorted their way out of the league, plus Len Bias’ heart exploding.

[Duke4life831]

I'm assuming this is not the first time he has been caught. I also don't get the takes that this is wrong by the NBA to do this. The NBA is not his family or parents. It's not on them to help him in this situation. They're his employer. They have a rule and Evans knew the rule and broke it.

this not it

if it's a drug problem, banning him from the league helps no one. send him to rehab. give him support. it's not about being his family it's just common decency and how you should treat your employees.

They have a drug program and in-patient care and aftercare. He obviously decided not to use it, or used it and continued to make bad decisions.

[Sofia]

2 years for nose beers seems excessive

[ACasualFan]

So don't come with the "lack of compassion and support" bs. I'm out of this dumbass conversation.

I didn't intend to offend anyone participating in the conversation with a serious approach even if they have a different viewpoint from mine. And I should have been more clear that I was speaking their lack of compassion and support as shown itt. And not everyone who says its not the NBA's job falls into the callous group I was addressing here. I don't know how anyone is IRL and my guess is a lot of them are much more caring IRL than the persona they wish to present here.

And goodness knows I'm in no place to judge anyone. I can't imagine the number of times I could have done good and failed to.

As I was saying, we all have struggles and we all need help and grace at times. And I honestly want everyone to get it when they need it.

Please stop preaching on a basketball forum saying we need "grace" and show more compassion. Keep religious stuff out this please. Everyone struggles but I dont need read this religious type worded post you made as a mod seems more out of place. Anyways gl to tyreke with his battle.

[yoyoboy]

People really give too much sympathy to drug abusers, if you choose drugs you have to accept what comes with those choices, this is 2019, everybody is well aware of the impacts drugs can have before they do them

if you are ignorant about addition probably best to just stay quiet on the topic.

Thank you. It's concerning to see multiple really ignorant takes in here, most likely coming from people who grew up in very sheltered homes, away from many of the serious issues that lead to lives of addiction. So easy to condemn people who need help more than anything else when you grew up in the suburbs behind a white picket fence, raised by two economically stable parents, or not having experienced serious mental tolls or any true dangers in life. Without fail, it always seems to be the same kinds of people who can't see outside their bubble.

As a society we need to be less concerned with giving the perceived best suited punishment and more focused on what will actually result in the greatest good for everyone.

[Sofia]

So don't come with the "lack of compassion and support" bs. I'm out of this dumbass conversation.

I didn't intend to offend anyone participating in the conversation with a serious approach even if they have a different viewpoint from mine. And I should have been more clear that I was speaking their lack of compassion and support as shown itt. And not everyone who says its not the NBA's job falls into the callous group I was addressing here. I don't know how anyone is IRL and my guess is a lot of them are much more caring IRL than the persona they wish to present here.

And goodness knows I'm in no place to judge anyone. I can't imagine the number of times I could have done good and failed to.

As I was saying, we all have struggles and we all need help and grace at times. And I honestly want everyone to get it when they need it.

Please stop preaching on a basketball forum saying we need "grace" and show more compassion. Keep religious stuff out this please. Everyone struggles but I dont need read this religious type worded post you made as a mod seems more out of place. Anyways gl to tyreke with his battle.

Grace is not a strictly religious term.

To show grace is to be gracious.

[Froob]

Mannix says it's not PED related. I'm guessing it's a hard drug: cocaine, opiods or meth.

Send the guy to rehab and get him help. Don’t ban him for two years and ostracize him.

Really makes no sense. NFL doing the same thing to Josh Gordon.

[Pinkyring]

People really give too much sympathy to drug abusers, if you choose drugs you have to accept what comes with those choices, this is 2019, everybody is well aware of the impacts drugs can have before they do them

if you are ignorant about addition probably best to just stay quiet on the topic.

Thank you. It's concerning to see multiple really ignorant takes in here, most likely coming from people who grew up in very sheltered homes, away from many of the serious issues that lead to lives of addiction. So easy to condemn people who need help more than anything else when you grew up in the suburbs behind a white picket fence, raised by two economically stable parents, or not having experienced serious mental tolls or any true dangers in life. Without fail, it always seems to be the same kinds of people who can't see outside their bubble.

As a society we need to be less concerned with giving the perceived best suited punishment and more focused on what will actually result in the greatest good for everyone.

I didnt grow up in a suburban 2 parent stable environment sir, thats a weird generalization to think that, especially when a large percent of drub abusers do come from that exact environment. People make excuses too much, life is hard for everyone, plenty people make it without resorting to drugs. Doing drugs are a choice

[SouthJersey]

People really give too much sympathy to drug abusers, if you choose drugs you have to accept what comes with those choices, this is 2019, everybody is well aware of the impacts drugs can have before they do them

if you are ignorant about addition probably best to just stay quiet on the topic.

Thank you. It's concerning to see multiple really ignorant takes in here, most likely coming from people who grew up in very sheltered homes, away from many of the serious issues that lead to lives of addiction. So easy to condemn people who need help more than anything else when you grew up in the suburbs behind a white picket fence, raised by two economically stable parents, or not having experienced serious mental tolls or any true dangers in life. Without fail, it always seems to be the same kinds of people who can't see outside their bubble.

As a society we need to be less concerned with giving the perceived best suited punishment and more focused on what will actually result in the greatest good for everyone.

Just because people grew up with 2 parents and a house with a fence doesnt make them sheltered. Drug addiction is everywhere, more common in middle class then ever. Been friends with alot of addicts and couldn't trust one of them. There is only so much you can help someone; it is up to that person to help themself. Sometimes punishment is a wake up call, sometimes its a death sentence, either way people need to hold themself accountable.

[DreamTeam09]

if you are ignorant about addition probably best to just stay quiet on the topic.

Thank you. It's concerning to see multiple really ignorant takes in here, most likely coming from people who grew up in very sheltered homes, away from many of the serious issues that lead to lives of addiction. So easy to condemn people who need help more than anything else when you grew up in the suburbs behind a white picket fence, raised by two economically stable parents, or not having experienced serious mental tolls or any true dangers in life. Without fail, it always seems to be the same kinds of people who can't see outside their bubble.

As a society we need to be less concerned with giving the perceived best suited punishment and more focused on what will actually result in the greatest good for everyone.

I didnt grow up in a suburban 2 parent stable environment sir, thats a weird generalization to think that, especially when a large percent of drub abusers do come from that exact environment. People make excuses too much, life is hard for everyone, plenty people make it without resorting to drugs. Doing drugs are a choice

So because they made a wrong choice in your eyes they should be condemned for life, without any remorse ??

What about ppl who commit vehicular homicide due to fatigue or some other non malicious reasons, are they the worst of the worst too without any room for compassion??

[ken6199]

if you are ignorant about addition probably best to just stay quiet on the topic.

Thank you. It's concerning to see multiple really ignorant takes in here, most likely coming from people who grew up in very sheltered homes, away from many of the serious issues that lead to lives of addiction. So easy to condemn people who need help more than anything else when you grew up in the suburbs behind a white picket fence, raised by two economically stable parents, or not having experienced serious mental tolls or any true dangers in life. Without fail, it always seems to be the same kinds of people who can't see outside their bubble.

As a society we need to be less concerned with giving the perceived best suited punishment and more focused on what will actually result in the greatest good for everyone.

I didnt grow up in a suburban 2 parent stable environment sir, thats a weird generalization to think that, especially when a large percent of drub abusers do come from that exact environment. People make excuses too much, life is hard for everyone, plenty people make it without resorting to drugs. Doing drugs are a choice

1) Plenty also didn't make it without resorting to drugs. Steve Francis migraine issue?
2) Some doing drugs as a choice does not mean everyone doing it as a choice. What if my dad drug abused me when I was 13?

Like that guy said above, if you are ignorant about a certain type of lives, best to just stay quiet instead of lumping everything into one group and start judging them.

[HBK_Kliq_33]

Mannix says it's not PED related. I'm guessing it's a hard drug: cocaine, opiods or meth.

Send the guy to rehab and get him help. Don’t ban him for two years and ostracize him.

Really makes no sense. NFL doing the same thing to Josh Gordon.

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-patriots-paying-josh-gordons-rehab-florida-not-ruling-nfl-return-000337897.html

Patriots are paying for Gordon's rehab but Evans was a FA so he technically didn't even have a team I guess.

[yoyoboy]

if you are ignorant about addition probably best to just stay quiet on the topic.

Thank you. It's concerning to see multiple really ignorant takes in here, most likely coming from people who grew up in very sheltered homes, away from many of the serious issues that lead to lives of addiction. So easy to condemn people who need help more than anything else when you grew up in the suburbs behind a white picket fence, raised by two economically stable parents, or not having experienced serious mental tolls or any true dangers in life. Without fail, it always seems to be the same kinds of people who can't see outside their bubble.

As a society we need to be less concerned with giving the perceived best suited punishment and more focused on what will actually result in the greatest good for everyone.

I didnt grow up in a suburban 2 parent stable environment sir, thats a weird generalization to think that, especially when a large percent of drub abusers do come from that exact environment. People make excuses too much, life is hard for everyone, plenty people make it without resorting to drugs. Doing drugs are a choice

Congratulations on being an exception, but it doesn't make your view any less ill informed. Children born into poverty or in families with histories of abuse, addiction, or instability are far, far more likely to fall into drug addiction. It's not because these kids are inherent degenerates compared to their more privileged counterparts. The odds are just stacked against them. You don't know Tyreke's story. Unsurprisingly like many other athletes, Tyreke was "mainly raised by his three older brothers" and didn't grow up in the best neighborhood (https://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/21/sports/ncaabasketball/21preps.html), and luckily basketball provided him with a way out. It's easy to look at him now and think that as a professional and millionaire, he should be able to avoid drugs and leave all that behind him, but the truth is adolescent development is absolutely crucial to the kind of person you become and that kind of past doesn't escape you easily.

Addicition isn't the kind of despicable, evil habit and characteristic you try to depict it as. People almost always turn to drugs because of deeper emotional issues, and these kind of people need help and at least a little bit of compassion from those fortunate enough not to have to go through that. Not condemnation and ostracizing. Do you really deep down believe that making out addicts to be bad, vile people who deserve to be kept from the more "morally upstanding" people is the best solution? Or is it possible to recognize that someone who chooses to inject heroin for instance, fully knowing what it can and will do to them, most likely has pain that the vast majority of people are fortunate enough to not share, and that kind of person should be treated as someone who needs rehabilitation, encouragement, and sympathy.

[nomansland]

That’s it career over! Nobody’s signing his ass after this.

Chris Andersen came back.

[Winsome Gerbil]

Mannix says it's not PED related. I'm guessing it's a hard drug: cocaine, opiods or meth.

Well then this is ridiculous.

NBA should be looking to help a guy like this not just slap him with a 2 year ban. Not sure how many chances he’s had but still.

He wasn’t caught on game day was he?

No, the NBA made the wise decision long ago in the 1970s to clean up its act. At the time the NBA was a 3rd class league heavily riddled with drug users of every stripe. People tuned them out in droves as a bunch of criminals in short shorts.

David Stern helped lead the charge to dramatically clean up the league, establish close to zero tolerance, and just dump the users and their pushers on the curb. They won't be missed in the end. The league goes on, keeps it's nose and image clean. And as long as Bron doesn't get caught doing it the players booted can be easily replaced without even a hiccup.

[tondi123]

I'm assuming this is not the first time he has been caught. I also don't get the takes that this is wrong by the NBA to do this. The NBA is not his family or parents. It's not on them to help him in this situation. They're his employer. They have a rule and Evans knew the rule and broke it.

this not it

if it's a drug problem, banning him from the league helps no one. send him to rehab. give him support. it's not about being his family it's just common decency and how you should treat your employees.

Perhaps but people get fired from much less high profile and/or lucrative jobs every day for failing a single drug test. Let's not act like he's being singled out and is some kind of helpless victim. He has the resources (unlike many) to put himself in rehab any time he wants. It's not his employers job to babysit a rich, grown ass man.

[Anti Chalmers]

During his prime years too

[jswede]

Mannix says it's not PED related. I'm guessing it's a hard drug: cocaine, opiods or meth.

Send the guy to rehab and get him help. Don’t ban him for two years and ostracize him.

Really makes no sense. NFL doing the same thing to Josh Gordon.

The NFL is doing what exactly to Josh Gordon? Besides giving him second chances, leniency and treatment?

June 7, 2013: The NFL suspends Gordon for two games to start the 2013 season after the second-year receiver violates he league's substance abuse policy.

July 5, 2014: Gordon is arrested in Raleigh, N.C. after cops pulled him over for speeding. Gordon had a blood-alcohol level of .09, which was above the state legal limit of .08.

August 27, 2014: The NFL suspends Gordon for the entire 2014 season after the wideout violates the league's substance abuse policy for the second time.

Nov. 17, 2014: Gordon is reinstated by the NFL.

Dec. 27, 2014: Gordon is suspended by the Browns for the regular season finale for a violation of team rules.

Jan. 25, 2015: The NFL gives Gordon another year-long suspension for violating the league's substance abuse policy, this time testing positive for alcohol.

July 25, 2016: Gordon is officially reinstated by the NFL after his first application for reinstatement in January was denied.

Sept. 29, 2016: Gordon decides to take a leave of absence and enter a rehab facility in New Hampshire.

Nov. 1, 2017: Gordon is reinstated to the NFL on a conditional basis with a chance to return to play for the Browns in Week 13.

August 18, 2018: Gordon reports to Browns training camp after missing three weeks to focus on his “mental health”.

Dec. 20, 2018: Gordon announces he's stepping away from football to focus on his mental health. ESPN's Adam Schefter later reported that Gordon is facing another indefinite suspension for violating the terms of his reinstatement.