2019 NBA Finals Thread #4: Golden State Warriors vs Toronto Raptors | TIED AT 1

[dhsilv2]

How was Kawhi the best player on the floor? He shot 8/20 and looked like he missed every shot near the end when they needed a bucket. I would argue Cousins was fantastic this game almost getting a triple double and making some fantastic passes.

Kawhi was good though.

Bro, 8/20 for 34 points. As much as I love the Warriors, that's a hellova performance from Kawhi.

I dig Kawhi he's a great basketball player. but 34 points on 8/20 shooting isn't a helluva performance. He missed crucial shots down the stretch when they needed a bucket and had 5 TO's. He was good.

Not close to a great performance. Anyone who actually watched the game knows it.

Leonard's rebounding remains a MASSIVE X factor and is rather worthy of pushing him from good to very good. But yeah...he had one of those offensive scoring games where he didn't really do much despite scoring a lot.

[dr3am]

I love Klay (no you know what)!!

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[dhsilv2]

LOL Most stacked team ever wins with the help of the refs.

I think raps messed up quite a bit, letting them go on that 18-0 and missing wide open looks but other then that, if Lowry can stop being an idiot on some of those fouls and refs not trying to take over the game, raps should be fine.

It'll be tough in Oakland though, usually, guys just shoot better at home so lets see.

Y’all have to be some of the biggest cry babies I’ve seen in history.. especially since the refs did everything to keep Toronto in the game & they still couldn’t make “shots” when it counts smh.

Btw as of right now on paper the Raps are more stacked than this injured Warriors team & they’re still keeping up with the Raptors SMH.. that’s why I felt Milwaukee vs Warriors would’ve been a much better matchup.

Refs tried to have makeup calls in the second half for their disgraceful showing in the first half. Cousins finished with 5 fouls, he should have bene the one who fouled out instead of lowry as they missed the clear as day charge in the first half and lowry picked it up instead. Raps could have used lowry's three pt shooting in the second half.

The raptors were playing cautious all second half because they had a huge number of fouls by the end of the first. Also it should have been a 15 pt lead at the half. Refs are a disgrace, yea Mil vs GS might have been a better matchup, maybe the refs would have called a more fair game. Maybe...

I'll just leave this comment here as I doubt you'll care but it needs saying.

Great players get bad calls on themselves and they know how to avoid additional fouls until key moments in the games where they up the intensity and take risks. Lowry REFUSES to do this and he keeps getting himself into foul trouble and fouling out. meanwhile a guy like Green can play with 4 fouls in the first half and go till the end of the 3rd before he flips that switch and if he gets that 5th he goes back into 80% mode and if he doesn't, he devastates the other team.

It is 100% of lowry for not being able to back off a bit while still playing smart heady defense.

[TheGOATWill]

Clearly Curry had to take a dump in the second quarter lol

Big time chorro. Somebody tainted his room service. Well played by that hotel staff.

[LKN]

Raptors beat themselves! If we shot our playoff average on threes we win this game. Refs help Dubs in first half when they should have been -20 at the half. We missed so many open threes while keeping them not to score. I do believe we are taking one in Auckland.

I hate this stuff. The warriors are a better playoff defense than the bucks.

No they aren't. The Bucks STILL have the best DRTG of any playoff team despite losing to the Raptors.

[picc]

I never said they did.

Counting those attempts are irrelevant when he's getting fouled while doing them.

I'm counting it as a possession used. That's not irrelevant.

You said he scored 34 points on 20 shots. No, on those 20 shots he scored 18 points. The other 16 points were scored on OTHER possessions/attempts to score that were on top of the 20 shots, which you're ignoring when you say it like that.

Wrong way to do it:
Kawhi scored 34 points on 20 shots
Klay scored 25 points on 17 shots

Misleading and makes Kawhi sound like he scored more efficiently than Klay.

What actually happened and right way to do it:
Kawhi scored 34 points on 28 possessions/scoring attempts
Klay scored 25 points on 18 possessions/scoring attempts

Klay scored more efficiently than Kawhi.

No one ever seems to acknowledge this.

[Vlade Divac]

Raptors beat themselves! If we shot our playoff average on threes we win this game. Refs help Dubs in first half when they should have been -20 at the half. We missed so many open threes while keeping them not to score. I do believe we are taking one in Auckland.

I hate this stuff. The warriors are a better playoff defense than the bucks. This is largely because the warriors give up 3's to the right players in the right places. They also have a feel for hot shooting or poor shooting. This is a constant with most really good defenses. More importantly teams generally don't shoot "their average" but have good and bad nights to some degree, often the result of well defense.

For the most part the warriors guarded the 3 well and they gassed the raptors players as the raptors were playing their hearts out trying to stop Curry. FVF absolutely lost some of his legs due to all the work he had on curry. The warriors made life hell for Leonard and he was tired as a result. Sure they could have had a better game shooting, but so could Curry. Curry while he played wonderfully overall still missed a lot of very makable shots for him. Some of that was also his work on defense...curry was seriously locked in and a part of stopping some of those 3s.

LOL. So you think Raps did not give 3s to “right players in the right places”?!? Igoudala, Cousins and even Cook. The difference is they were making theirs and we did not ours. Plain and simple.

[dhsilv2]

Raptors beat themselves! If we shot our playoff average on threes we win this game. Refs help Dubs in first half when they should have been -20 at the half. We missed so many open threes while keeping them not to score. I do believe we are taking one in Auckland.

I hate this stuff. The warriors are a better playoff defense than the bucks.

No they aren't. The Bucks STILL have the best DRTG of any playoff team despite losing to the Raptors.

The bucks didn't play the same teams as anyone else. Not really a comparable way to use defensive rating here.

Bucks played the 21st offense, 10th and 5th.
Warriors 9th, 2nd, 3rd

Not really fair to compare a team that overwhelmingly played better offenses is it?

[RaptorPride]

**** refs, man

What a baby

lool im just playing around with the chart up top

[Peregrine01]

I marvel at the fact that so many in this thread can’t see how the Raps played a box and 1 on Curry. They put two guys on him at half court to get the ball out of his hands and dared anyone else to hit an open shot.

Meanwhile, Kawhi was dealing with a far less aggressive trap and routinely failed to make the correct read to the open teammate. He got bailed out by a few calls but otherwise played really bad offensively.

[trickshot]

Raptors beat themselves! If we shot our playoff average on threes we win this game. Refs help Dubs in first half when they should have been -20 at the half. We missed so many open threes while keeping them not to score. I do believe we are taking one in Auckland.

I hate this stuff. The warriors are a better playoff defense than the bucks.

No they aren't. The Bucks STILL have the best DRTG of any playoff team despite losing to the Raptors.

Playoff advanced stats are heavily influenced by playing the same team 4 to 7 times each round. There's no point using it in a comparison

[Admiral-Kizaru]

Curry was **** to mediocre in tonight’s game. Green, Klay and Iguodala made important shots after shots. They were the reasons along with the team defense why the Warriors won tonight .

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[Danny1616]

Apart from the first half of the 3rd quarter where the Raptors couldn't score a bucket I thought they had control of the game.

Raptors missed too many wide open shots and didn't take advantage of their opportunities.

[clyde21]

I marvel at the fact that so many in this thread can’t see how the Raps played a box and 1 on Curry. They put two guys on him at half court to get the ball out of his hands and dared anyone else to hit an open shot.

Meanwhile, Kawhi was dealing with a far less aggressive trap and couldn’t make the correct read. He got bailed out by a few calls but otherwise played really bad offensively.

people know, they just ignore it so they can continue pushing their garbage narratives

everyone who watched the game tonight knows damn well who it is

[dhsilv2]

Raptors beat themselves! If we shot our playoff average on threes we win this game. Refs help Dubs in first half when they should have been -20 at the half. We missed so many open threes while keeping them not to score. I do believe we are taking one in Auckland.

I hate this stuff. The warriors are a better playoff defense than the bucks. This is largely because the warriors give up 3's to the right players in the right places. They also have a feel for hot shooting or poor shooting. This is a constant with most really good defenses. More importantly teams generally don't shoot "their average" but have good and bad nights to some degree, often the result of well defense.

For the most part the warriors guarded the 3 well and they gassed the raptors players as the raptors were playing their hearts out trying to stop Curry. FVF absolutely lost some of his legs due to all the work he had on curry. The warriors made life hell for Leonard and he was tired as a result. Sure they could have had a better game shooting, but so could Curry. Curry while he played wonderfully overall still missed a lot of very makable shots for him. Some of that was also his work on defense...curry was seriously locked in and a part of stopping some of those 3s.

LOL. So you think Raps did not give 3s to “right players in the right places”?!? Igoudala, Cousins and even Cook. The difference is they were making theirs and we did not ours. Plain and simple.

Did I criticize the raptors? The warriors are better at who they give up 3's to than most playoff teams. The raptors are going to shoot worse against the warriors on average or at least that's the expected result. Both of these teams are among the best teams in 3 point defense in the regular season, but the warriors are and have been exceptional at game planning in the playoffs.

The question you should be asking is if the raptors are getting better than average looks from 3, not if they are doing the same defensively as I never said they weren't playing great 3 point defense.

[LKN]

I hate this stuff. The warriors are a better playoff defense than the bucks.

No they aren't. The Bucks STILL have the best DRTG of any playoff team despite losing to the Raptors.

The bucks didn't play the same teams as anyone else. Not really a comparable way to use defensive rating here.

Bucks played the 21st offense, 10th and 5th.
Warriors 9th, 2nd, 3rd

Not really fair to compare a team that overwhelmingly played better offenses is it?

Certainly it's not perfect.... then again almost 10 points lower DRTG is pretty significant and the Bucks were also clearly better in the regular season. At least it's some actual evidence

[dhsilv2]

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For those who question why some of us like watching the warriors more without KD. This is it. It's just fun to watch the passing.

[trickshot]

Curry seems to have figured out the timing and direction of their trapping.

[Statlanta]

Curry was **** to mediocre in tonight’s game. Green, Klay and Iguodala made important shots after shots. They were the reasons along with the team defense why the Warriors won tonight .

As memetastic that comment was there is an ounce of truth to it, and might clear up why Curry has no Finals hardware.

There was a GS poster saying Curry should play better at home. Like aren't role players like Iggy, Cook, and Cousins supposed to do that.

They looked more impressive relative to their role than Curry did tonight.