Woj: Celtics and Lakers Engaged with Pelicans on Anthony Davis Trade

[levon]

You are still under the impression that the Pels have to trade Davis at all, let alone to LA.

LA is not going to stand pat on their current roster for another season to make it to the 2020 offseason, so if they want AD they need to pony up.

They don't have to pony up. They still haven't hit FA, can trade for another all-star, etc. Meanwhile whomever else you ship AD too isn't gonna give you anything close to requisite value, because he can just walk to the Knicks and Clippers the next year.

Hell, even if Lebron demands a trade from the Lakers, that's additional value to them. It's your franchise guy who doesn't wanna play for you.

[JB2]

Lakers keeping Kuzma is a huge win.

AD
Kuzma
LeBron
_____
Kyrie

Damn nice

[LipSkinMatter]

only way lakers end up with ad is if kuz/lonzo/ingram/ and pick is involved.....the lakers will be gutted if AD is a laker...book it

The reality is none of those players contributed to winning last season anyway. They won't "be" gutted, they already ARE gutted sans LeBron. If they can pull off trading a bunch of garbage for AD, there's no way to spin that other than a win for the Lakers.

[Mamba Mentality]

New Orleans is about to make out with one hell of a haul. I'm kinda envious of their position.

[BVB24]

Lol ain’t happenin’. Kyrie’s gone.

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[FlatearthZorro]

Imagine a third team swooping in and taking Davis. I could see it happening as it often does(ie Raptors).

[FlatearthZorro]

Lakers keeping Kuzma is a huge win.

AD
Kuzma
LeBron
_____
Kyrie

Damn nice

Is this you Jeannie? Who's gonna play defense on this team?

[pac213up]

Lakers keeping Kuzma is a huge win.

AD
Kuzma
LeBron
_____
Kyrie

Damn nice

Except they will not be able to keep Kuzma if they want to make the deal...and they know it. Keeping an asset to negotiate a better offer at this point. He will be added to any deal.

[levon]

Imagine a third team swooping in and taking Davis. I could see it happening as it often does(ie Raptors).

Raptors deal wasn't a swoop, it was a slow trot. Vegas had them with the best odds for 6 days before the deal went public. What we're getting from reporters now is far from real time. It includes a lot of vetting and paying off favors.

A few Lakers insiders have been talking about the framework of this deal for days now. It could be dead by now, who knows.

[TheRealKaboom]

Woj is a Celtics fan from New England.

AD became a Laker 9 months ago when he signed himself to Klutch.

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[Madhouse]

The Pels will probably have a monster team in like 2 years if the chips fall their way.

[Duke4life831]

Tatum is younger, a better shooter, a better athlete, has flashed more star potential, imo will get stronger physically and has shown to be be able to make the big shot. I'd put Smart over Ball, Ball is way too injury prone, Smart's contract is cheap and he shot the 3 around .370 last season which made him respectable in that regard.

Okay the younger thing makes no sense, we are talking about a 6 month difference. He's not a better athlete, how has he flashed more star potential? Ingram's last 31 games he averaged 20/6/3.5 on 51% shooting. Has Tatum ever had a 30 game stretch like that? The he has shown to make the big shot thing is weird, Ingram has too. Im not saying its Ingram by a mile, Id also can see the argument for Tatum over Ingram, but this idea its Tatum by a mile is ridiculous to me.

Id take Smart over Ball as well, but you have Smart as the #2 in Boston's deal. No way anyone is taking Smart over the #4 pick. Also its not like Smart has been mr reliable when it comes to health, has played 70 games only twice in his 5 seasons and has missed 11 playoff games the last 2 years. Also he needs more than 1 year of shooting 36% from 3, for me to buy in he is now a 37% 3pt shooter.

Again I get the argument for the Boston deal when you include Brown. But taking Brown out, you lose a lot.

Ehm, Tatum has averaged 20 for 4 games or more twice in the playoffs. And was averaging I think 18 when Irving went down. Tatum will average 20+ for the season next year if he's on our team and he's featured like he's supposed to. Tatum is easily the better athlete, and he's faster on his feet, he's stronger and that's even without talking about health. Tatum has 2 rookie contract years left on his deal.

Im honestly confused at this. Are you saying twice he had 4 game stretches where he averaged 20 or more? How is that equal to a 30+ game sample size. I mean I could say Ingram averaged 28/7.5/2.5 on 57/53/75 shooting over his last 6 games last year. Tatum averaged 18 when Kyrie went down, Ingram averaged 18 all of last season. The contract thing also doesn't really seem to matter much either, both guys are going to be get the same contract, just a year apart. I really don't think that means much of a difference to NO who will be in rebuild mode and aren't probably going to be major FA players in that one summer where you're paying Ingram and not Tatum.

Im not a Boston or Tatum hater, I post a ton on the Boston team board and everyone knows how big of a fan I am of Tatum. Having watch plenty of both and I don't have a bias towards any of these players (actually was a bigger fan of Tatum than Ingram while they were at Duke) and Im a bigger fan of Boston than LA. But watching both guys, I think theyre close, and I would give the slight edge to Ingram over Tatum. I just think this idea that Tatum is miles ahead of him is kind of laughable to be honest and I think maybe is showing a bias of being a Boston fan.

[teke184]

You are still under the impression that the Pels have to trade Davis at all, let alone to LA.

LA is not going to stand pat on their current roster for another season to make it to the 2020 offseason, so if they want AD they need to pony up.

They don't have to pony up. They still haven't hit FA, can trade for another all-star, etc. Meanwhile whomever else you ship AD too isn't gonna give you anything close to requisite value, because he can just walk to the Knicks and Clippers the next year.

Hell, even if Lebron demands a trade from the Lakers, that's additional value to them. It's your franchise guy who doesn't wanna play for you.

How many all stars are available with the assets the Lakers have to work with?

Looks like they haven’t been able to dig up any while trying to do so in furtherance of an AD trade.

They renounce a bunch of players and maybe they can get CP3 and the trade won’t get voided this time around.

[BallSacBounce]

Not signing an extension with anyone? True or trying to keep the price down for his new team? As a Knicks fan I'd rather they pass. Can't win without stars but you can't win without depth either. Catch-22 unless the rumored price goes down. Knicks not ready, unless two stars ready to come in FA. Otherwise it's an easy pass to me.

[levon]

How many all stars are available with the assets the Lakers have to work with?

Looks like they haven’t been able to dig up any while trying to do so in furtherance of an AD trade.

They renounce a bunch of players and maybe they can get CP3 and the trade won’t get voided this time around.

You'd know about dysfunction surrounding Chris Paul. Good luck with Zion--hopefully he doesn't sign with Klutch in 3 years marking the 3rd ATG and 2nd #1 overall pick you were gifted wanting out.

[Duke4life831]

Am I the only one that questions the whole flip the 4th pick for an established star thing? Don't try to speed up the rebuild if you don't have too. I don't think they can get that high end of a star player with just that 4th round pick. Id much rather keep that 4th round pick, and try and build a young team around Zion. Even struggling next year really isn't the worst thing, they have their own pick, just means another high end prospect to add in. I think NO should go all out on a youth rebuild around Zion, that means I think they should be looking to flip Holliday as well.

Well they do have attendance problems. If you get Zion and also field a competitive team simultaneously it helps the bottom line. Also every draft is risky. Bird in the hand & all that.

I think Zion by himself will solve the majority of their attendance problems. And no doubt its risky to build through the draft. Im also one that doesn't think Zion is going to come in and be a top tier player right away. I think its going to take a couple years for him to tighten up his handle and tighten up his jumper before he really becomes a top tier player. So I personally think a long term rebuild around Zion would be the best route to go.

[FlatearthZorro]

Okay the younger thing makes no sense, we are talking about a 6 month difference. He's not a better athlete, how has he flashed more star potential? Ingram's last 31 games he averaged 20/6/3.5 on 51% shooting. Has Tatum ever had a 30 game stretch like that? The he has shown to make the big shot thing is weird, Ingram has too. Im not saying its Ingram by a mile, Id also can see the argument for Tatum over Ingram, but this idea its Tatum by a mile is ridiculous to me.

Id take Smart over Ball as well, but you have Smart as the #2 in Boston's deal. No way anyone is taking Smart over the #4 pick. Also its not like Smart has been mr reliable when it comes to health, has played 70 games only twice in his 5 seasons and has missed 11 playoff games the last 2 years. Also he needs more than 1 year of shooting 36% from 3, for me to buy in he is now a 37% 3pt shooter.

Again I get the argument for the Boston deal when you include Brown. But taking Brown out, you lose a lot.

Ehm, Tatum has averaged 20 for 4 games or more twice in the playoffs. And was averaging I think 18 when Irving went down. Tatum will average 20+ for the season next year if he's on our team and he's featured like he's supposed to. Tatum is easily the better athlete, and he's faster on his feet, he's stronger and that's even without talking about health. Tatum has 2 rookie contract years left on his deal.

Im honestly confused at this. Are you saying twice he had 4 game stretches where he averaged 20 or more? How is that equal to a 30+ game sample size. I mean I could say Ingram averaged 28/7.5/2.5 on 57/53/75 shooting over his last 6 games last year. Tatum averaged 18 when Kyrie went down, Ingram averaged 18 all of last season. The contract thing also doesn't really seem to matter much either, both guys are going to be get the same contract, just a year apart. I really don't think that means much of a difference to NO who will be in rebuild mode and aren't probably going to be major FA players in that one summer where you're paying Ingram and not Tatum.

Im not a Boston or Tatum hater, I post a ton on the Boston team board and everyone knows how big of a fan I am of Tatum. Having watch plenty of both and I don't have a bias towards any of these players (actually was a bigger fan of Tatum than Ingram while they were at Duke) and Im a bigger fan of Boston than LA. But watching both guys, I think theyre close, and I would give the slight edge to Ingram over Tatum. I just think this idea that Tatum is miles ahead of him is kind of laughable to be honest and I think maybe is showing a bias of being a Boston fan.

Listen outside of Irving being hurt. Tatum has barely had the opportunities on offense that Ingram has. When he did, him, Horford and Brown carried us to the ECF Finals and got a game from going to the Finals. I'll take Tatum over Ingram in a heartbeat. Not cause I'm a C's fan, imo Tatum's potential is easily superior. Not to mention contract situation which is important when it comes to trades, availability, defense which iggy showed that Tatum ranks times higher than Ingram.

[NO-KG-AI]

The beautiful part is that Danny will almost certainly also ruin AD to the Lakers period, and that probably means something to him


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[Jagic Mohnson]

pelicans lineup. the future death valley lineup.

ingram
kuzma
zion
culver
jrue

[blind prophet]

Am I the only one that questions the whole flip the 4th pick for an established star thing? Don't try to speed up the rebuild if you don't have too. I don't think they can get that high end of a star player with just that 4th round pick. Id much rather keep that 4th round pick, and try and build a young team around Zion. Even struggling next year really isn't the worst thing, they have their own pick, just means another high end prospect to add in. I think NO should go all out on a youth rebuild around Zion, that means I think they should be looking to flip Holliday as well.

Well they do have attendance problems. If you get Zion and also field a competitive team simultaneously it helps the bottom line. Also every draft is risky. Bird in the hand & all that.

I think Zion by himself will solve the majority of their attendance problems. And no doubt its risky to build through the draft. Im also one that doesn't think Zion is going to come in and be a top tier player right away. I think its going to take a couple years for him to tighten up his handle and tighten up his jumper before he really becomes a top tier player. So I personally think a long term rebuild around Zion would be the best route to go.

Yeah if I was the GM with limitless loot, I'd definitely stay young for a few years and be interested in picks more than they seem to be.

Seems like you think the same. My only potential explanation is money/attendance as stated above.