What is Gersson Rosas doing?

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Good PR spin.

[teke184]

Wiggins contract will get better and better as cap increases. I bet in 1-2 years, they’d be able to trade him for neutral value or even get positive back. Is he really that much worse than a Harrison Barnes?

The “their contract will be better when the cap increases” talk was said about the FA class of 2016.

Didn’t quite happen that way and many teams are still feeling the string of those contracts.

And yes, I would say Wiggins is worse than a Harrison Barnes at this moment. Doesn’t make Barnes’ new contract with Sacramento any smarter but I figure they will get more production out of him than the Wolves will get out of Wiggins unless someone gives that kid a major kick in the ass.

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Good PR spin.

Towns would look amazing in the Warriors’ system.

[contestedlayups]

Minnesota will be the worst team in the NBA this season. Losing major bench pieces and trading a solid veteran in Saric for a rookie makes it that much harder to win games in the NBA. This is assuming that Wiggins continues to not progress and KAT can't average 35-40 a game.

[Capn'O]

I have great faith in Dome.

[dakomish23]

Not sure but now they have a major hole at Power Forward unless KAT is gonna play Power Forward in which case they would have a hole at Center.

Covington, kat, vonleh, kbd, and layman can all play ppwer forward.

Whos going to start?

I feel like Vonleh is the only "real" power forward on that team.

Maybe they can call up the Knicks and trade for one of there 216937 power forwards.

Vonleh is solid. He should be more a first big off the bench than a starter, but he should do ok next to KAT

[dakomish23]

Wiggins contract will get better and better as cap increases. I bet in 1-2 years, they’d be able to trade him for neutral value or even get positive back. Is he really that much worse than a Harrison Barnes?

Not sure how many teams have cap in 2021 but I could see a small market team take him in, and maybe minor assets like 2 2nds. Wolves will have 2-3 years to put a competent team around towns. And they could still trade for dangelo and hope those two sign long term together when they go for their second contracts.

When klay returns. Teague and Covington for dangelo.

Wolves get their young star and towns best friend. Warriors are all in to continue their dynasty. Curry klay Covington draymond wcs is a title contender for sure

That’s what I see happening too, unless dlo takes off or completely craters for GSW.

Then GSW will probably flip Teague for something else. Gallo? Not sure what limits there are on what GSW can do after the S&T

[Klomp]

Minnesota will be the worst team in the NBA this season.

Not a chance.

[Slim Tubby]

Minnesota will be the worst team in the NBA this season. Losing major bench pieces and trading a solid veteran in Saric for a rookie makes it that much harder to win games in the NBA. This is assuming that Wiggins continues to not progress and KAT can't average 35-40 a game.

If CHI was in the WC this season with their current roster, the Bulls wouldn't win 25 games. I smell a Sig Bet between you and klomp coming!

[AbeVigodaLive]

Minnesota will be the worst team in the NBA this season. Losing major bench pieces and trading a solid veteran in Saric for a rookie makes it that much harder to win games in the NBA. This is assuming that Wiggins continues to not progress and KAT can't average 35-40 a game.

If CHI was in the WC this season with their current roster, the Bulls wouldn't win 25 games. I smell a Sig Bet between you and klomp coming!

Minnesota was 32 - 37 without Butler last season. Not great, but not worst in the league.

And the team had a winning record with Covington + Teague in the lineup. Unfortunately, Covington missed 47 games...Teague missed 40 games. At one point, the Wolves had FOUR point guards out at the same time.

This year's team very well might be worse. But the worst in the league? Highly doubtful if KAT is healthy. A guy who can get 24/12 every night with elite efficiency is at least going to keep you in some games, even when battling so many top-notch West Conf teams.

[contestedlayups]

Minnesota will be the worst team in the NBA this season. Losing major bench pieces and trading a solid veteran in Saric for a rookie makes it that much harder to win games in the NBA. This is assuming that Wiggins continues to not progress and KAT can't average 35-40 a game.

If CHI was in the WC this season with their current roster, the Bulls wouldn't win 25 games. I smell a Sig Bet between you and klomp coming!

Minnesota was 32 - 37 without Butler last season. Not great, but not worst in the league.

And the team had a winning record with Covington + Teague in the lineup. Unfortunately, Covington missed 47 games...Teague missed 40 games. At one point, the Wolves had FOUR point guards out at the same time.

This year's team very well might be worse. But the worst in the league? Highly doubtful if KAT is healthy. A guy who can get 24/12 every night with elite efficiency is at least going to keep you in some games, even when battling so many top-notch West Conf teams.

I took into account Covington and Teague missing so many games when I said what I said. The way that their offseason has gone has been such a net negative that I can't foresee how they can remain competitive with the rest of the West. Their bench took such a nosedive that I can't see them winning more than 20-25 games. Basically, the rest of the West got better, outside of Memphis, while Minnesota continues to build behind two players who don't understand how to play winning basketball.

[Slim Tubby]

If CHI was in the WC this season with their current roster, the Bulls wouldn't win 25 games. I smell a Sig Bet between you and klomp coming!

Minnesota was 32 - 37 without Butler last season. Not great, but not worst in the league.

And the team had a winning record with Covington + Teague in the lineup. Unfortunately, Covington missed 47 games...Teague missed 40 games. At one point, the Wolves had FOUR point guards out at the same time.

This year's team very well might be worse. But the worst in the league? Highly doubtful if KAT is healthy. A guy who can get 24/12 every night with elite efficiency is at least going to keep you in some games, even when battling so many top-notch West Conf teams.

I took into account Covington and Teague missing so many games when I said what I said. The way that their offseason has gone has been such a net negative that I can't foresee how they can remain competitive with the rest of the West. Their bench took such a nosedive that I can't see them winning more than 20-25 games. Basically, the rest of the West got better, outside of Memphis, while Minnesota continues to build behind two players who don't understand how to play winning basketball.

Culver, Layman, Bell, Vonleh, Napier, Nowell, an improved Okogie and KBD on incredibly lesser contracts versus losing Taj, Saric, Tyus and Rose is negative net value? Unreal.


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Minnesota was 32 - 37 without Butler last season. Not great, but not worst in the league.

And the team had a winning record with Covington + Teague in the lineup. Unfortunately, Covington missed 47 games...Teague missed 40 games. At one point, the Wolves had FOUR point guards out at the same time.

This year's team very well might be worse. But the worst in the league? Highly doubtful if KAT is healthy. A guy who can get 24/12 every night with elite efficiency is at least going to keep you in some games, even when battling so many top-notch West Conf teams.

I took into account Covington and Teague missing so many games when I said what I said. The way that their offseason has gone has been such a net negative that I can't foresee how they can remain competitive with the rest of the West. Their bench took such a nosedive that I can't see them winning more than 20-25 games. Basically, the rest of the West got better, outside of Memphis, while Minnesota continues to build behind two players who don't understand how to play winning basketball.

Culver, Layman, Bell, Vonleh, Napier, Nowell, an improved Okogie and KBD on incredibly lesser contracts versus losing Taj, Saric, Tyus and Rose is negative net value? Unreal.


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Um, yes? Just off of simple ppg, Rose - 18, Taj - 10, Saric - 10, Tyus - 6. That's 44 ppg a game right there. All 7 of those players combined won't average close to that. Good luck!

[AbeVigodaLive]

If CHI was in the WC this season with their current roster, the Bulls wouldn't win 25 games. I smell a Sig Bet between you and klomp coming!

Minnesota was 32 - 37 without Butler last season. Not great, but not worst in the league.

And the team had a winning record with Covington + Teague in the lineup. Unfortunately, Covington missed 47 games...Teague missed 40 games. At one point, the Wolves had FOUR point guards out at the same time.

This year's team very well might be worse. But the worst in the league? Highly doubtful if KAT is healthy. A guy who can get 24/12 every night with elite efficiency is at least going to keep you in some games, even when battling so many top-notch West Conf teams.

I took into account Covington and Teague missing so many games when I said what I said. The way that their offseason has gone has been such a net negative that I can't foresee how they can remain competitive with the rest of the West. Their bench took such a nosedive that I can't see them winning more than 20-25 games. Basically, the rest of the West got better, outside of Memphis, while Minnesota continues to build behind two players who don't understand how to play winning basketball.

Oh. So your take makes even more sense now.

[Slim Tubby]

I took into account Covington and Teague missing so many games when I said what I said. The way that their offseason has gone has been such a net negative that I can't foresee how they can remain competitive with the rest of the West. Their bench took such a nosedive that I can't see them winning more than 20-25 games. Basically, the rest of the West got better, outside of Memphis, while Minnesota continues to build behind two players who don't understand how to play winning basketball.

Culver, Layman, Bell, Vonleh, Napier, Nowell, an improved Okogie and KBD on incredibly lesser contracts versus losing Taj, Saric, Tyus and Rose is negative net value? Unreal.


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Um, yes? Just off of simple ppg, Rose - 18, Taj - 10, Saric - 10, Tyus - 6. That's 44 ppg a game right there. All 7 of those players combined won't average close to that. Good luck!

Gibson is 34 years old, past his prime and apparently the NYK wanted to scoop up every mediocre PF free agent they could get their hands on this offseason. Rose is 30 years old and his knees are 84. Saric has lost his shooting touch, will be seeking a large contract after this year and he was used to acquire Culver. MEM signed Tyus to a $9M/year contract for a perennial back-up PG. It’s not clear to me why you are commenting on a Wolves team and Rosas when it’s blatantly obvious that you know nothing about this team, the players they let walk and the young players they acquired.

When you factor in contracts, player age and potential to grow, there isn’t a GM in the league that would criticize what Rosas has been able to do taking over the roster and cap mess that Thibs put us in. Good luck is right...of you coming back down to Earth.

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Culver, Layman, Bell, Vonleh, Napier, Nowell, an improved Okogie and KBD on incredibly lesser contracts versus losing Taj, Saric, Tyus and Rose is negative net value? Unreal.


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Um, yes? Just off of simple ppg, Rose - 18, Taj - 10, Saric - 10, Tyus - 6. That's 44 ppg a game right there. All 7 of those players combined won't average close to that. Good luck!

Gibson is 34 years old, past his prime and apparently the NYK wanted to scoop up every mediocre PF free agent they could get their hands on this offseason. Rose is 30 years old and his knees are 84. Saric has lost his shooting touch, will be seeking a large contract after this year and he was used to acquire Culver. MEM signed Tyus to a $9M/year contract for a perennial back-up PG. It’s not clear to me why you are commenting on a Wolves team and Rosas when it’s blatantly obvious that you know nothing about this team, the players they let walk and the young players they acquired.

When you factor in contracts, player age and potential to grow, there isn’t a GM in the league that would criticize what Rosas has been able to do taking over the roster and cap mess that Thibs put us in. Good luck is right...of you coming back down to Earth.

When a franchise lets veterans who were productive on a team leave in exchange for young players, especially ones who have perennially underachieved throughout their careers (Vonleh, Bell), it has never yielded good results in the history of the NBA. Please name me one time where a franchise did what Minnesota did (replacing productive veterans with young players/unproductive veterans) and their win total improved the next season.

It's blatantly obvious that I do know particularly a lot about Rose, Gibson, and Vonleh, as those are three players that came through the Chicago Bulls organization, a team I've been a fan of my whole life. However, I'm not being biased towards those players in the least. I completely agree with you that Gibson is past his prime, although he was still serviceable off of the bench last year, and that Rose has knees that won't allow him to play more than 60 games, although he did have the most efficient year of his career last year.

Saying that Saric "lost his shooting touch" when the guy is 24 years old shows me that you don't know what you're talking about! I like Jarrett Culver, I actually was hoping the Wolves would pass on him so that he could fall to the Bulls. However, Culver will not replace Saric's scoring output this year.

Yes, Rosas did well in terms of shedding contracts that will allow Minnesota to operate below the luxury tax, since Wiggins and KAT make so much a year. Long-term, it was clearly the right move to let Rose and Gibson go. However, like my original point states, they will not win as many games as last year. Rose, Gibson and Saric made up so much of their bench scoring, and could fill in admirably in spot starts, that asking players like Shabazz Napier, Noah Vonleh, and Jordan Bell to replicate those roles is too great of a task. Anyone expecting Minnesota to make some sort of leap is

[JR Rider]

Um, yes? Just off of simple ppg, Rose - 18, Taj - 10, Saric - 10, Tyus - 6. That's 44 ppg a game right there. All 7 of those players combined won't average close to that. Good luck!

Gibson is 34 years old, past his prime and apparently the NYK wanted to scoop up every mediocre PF free agent they could get their hands on this offseason. Rose is 30 years old and his knees are 84. Saric has lost his shooting touch, will be seeking a large contract after this year and he was used to acquire Culver. MEM signed Tyus to a $9M/year contract for a perennial back-up PG. It’s not clear to me why you are commenting on a Wolves team and Rosas when it’s blatantly obvious that you know nothing about this team, the players they let walk and the young players they acquired.

When you factor in contracts, player age and potential to grow, there isn’t a GM in the league that would criticize what Rosas has been able to do taking over the roster and cap mess that Thibs put us in. Good luck is right...of you coming back down to Earth.

When a franchise lets veterans who were productive on a team leave in exchange for young players, especially ones who have perennially underachieved throughout their careers (Vonleh, Bell), it has never yielded good results in the history of the NBA. Please name me one time where a franchise did what Minnesota did (replacing productive veterans with young players/unproductive veterans) and their win total improved the next season.

It's blatantly obvious that I do know particularly a lot about Rose, Gibson, and Vonleh, as those are three players that came through the Chicago Bulls organization, a team I've been a fan of my whole life. However, I'm not being biased towards those players in the least. I completely agree with you that Gibson is past his prime, although he was still serviceable off of the bench last year, and that Rose has knees that won't allow him to play more than 60 games, although he did have the most efficient year of his career last year.

Saying that Saric "lost his shooting touch" when the guy is 24 years old shows me that you don't know what you're talking about! I like Jarrett Culver, I actually was hoping the Wolves would pass on him so that he could fall to the Bulls. However, Culver will not replace Saric's scoring output this year.

Yes, Rosas did well in terms of shedding contracts that will allow Minnesota to operate below the luxury tax, since Wiggins and KAT make so much a year. Long-term, it was clearly the right move to let Rose and Gibson go. However, like my original point states, they will not win as many games as last year. Rose, Gibson and Saric made up so much of their bench scoring, and could fill in admirably in spot starts, that asking players like Shabazz Napier, Noah Vonleh, and Jordan Bell to replicate those roles is too great of a task. Anyone expecting Minnesota to make some sort of leap is

Dario averaged 10 ppg, and was a mediocre defender.
Taj averaged 10 ppg in 70 games and was serviceable, noticeably lost a step last year.
Rose missed 31 games. Rose's contributions led to an increased win share. He was a 6th man, that wasn't replaced.
Tyus was a good bench PG. Consistent and reliable.

Teague missed 40 games last year. Covington only played 22 games with Wolves. The addition of both should yield a higher benefit than any of the departed four (4) players mentioned above.

The wolves invested in high risk/high reward type players, on short contracts. The wolves surrounded these players with excellent coaching. The net benefit is to be determined.

At this point, your assertions are baseless.

[Klomp]

When a franchise lets veterans who were productive on a team leave in exchange for young players, especially ones who have perennially underachieved throughout their careers (Vonleh, Bell), it has never yielded good results in the history of the NBA. Please name me one time where a franchise did what Minnesota did (replacing productive veterans with young players/unproductive veterans) and their win total improved the next season.

2017-18 Brooklyn Nets
2012-13 Houston Rockets

Know what those teams have in common with the Minnesota Timberwolves? Multiple front office personnel from those teams have joined Minnesota this offseason.

[Klomp]

However, like my original point states, they will not win as many games as last year. Rose, Gibson and Saric made up so much of their bench scoring, and could fill in admirably in spot starts, that asking players like Shabazz Napier, Noah Vonleh, and Jordan Bell to replicate those roles is too great of a task. Anyone expecting Minnesota to make some sort of leap is

That wasn't your original point. Your original point was, and I quote....

Minnesota will be the worst team in the NBA this season.

Minnesota was 36-46 last season. It'd be more than reasonable to say the team will only win 25-30 games next season. But by calling them the worst team in the NBA, you're putting them at least one rung below that. Four teams lost less than 25 games last year, four the year before that, two the year before that, and four the year before that. This wasn't some fluke year with a lot of really bad teams. Yes, 25-57 would mean they did not win as many games as last year. But it would not mean they were the worst team in the NBA that season.