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DimesandKnicks wrote:Pinkyring wrote:mabundo_nagumbe wrote:Lonzo
A bit early for that
Can someone explain the Lonzo Hate to me? He has awful shooting splits and has been injured but the man is a 6'6 point guard whose averged 10 6 and 6 over his career.
mplsfonz23 wrote:I hope someone brought up Michael Olowokandi. When he was with Minnesota, he wouldn't even shower because he was running to the bar across the street. I heard he would down a six pack before games.
I also think Sam Bowie just because he was picked ahead of Jordan.
Fultz hasn't even logged enough minutes for the game to slow down for him yet. How many players didn't play well at 19 or 20 and went on to have great careers?spikeslovechild wrote:Oden and Fultz. Also Bias.
Yeah he's finished at 20 years old.Lalouie wrote:niQ wrote:HotelVitale wrote:
That was shaky scouting, though, lots of us on the draft boards had a ton of questions about Fultz. Not the sort of ones were you're dwelling on weaknesses (e.g. Ben Simmons not trying hard on defense) but ones about how he was actually going to be a NBA player; he played sort of a slow-mo game and coasted a lot, and he relied way too much on fadeaways against smaller players. It was legitimately difficult for me to see how we he did at UW translated to the NBA, and people were weirdly quick to assume his 3pt% was real (while his FT% wasn't) and that he was going to be a monster in the pn'r. Both those things are insanely hard to be above average at in the NBA and Fultz definitely wasn't there in college.
To be clear, I basically liked him as a prospect and he was in my top 5, but he was like many other prospects who brought good packages but would've needed to develop well to become a good player (let alone great). Even if he didn't lose his shot completely he was more of a high upside prospect than a low floor one.
I remember everyone was hyping that draft class so much. (The buzz was primarily surrounding Fultz, Ball, and Fox. You were essentially getting a star PG either way.) But I remember watching Fultz's highlights and not seeing what the hype was about. I was actually excited to find out whether he would be better in the NBA... but.. you all know the rest...
Btw, here's one of the videos that was circulating around that time.
fultz was a case of believing in the talent and willing to forgive the weaknesses, mainly HIS ATTITUDE. but it was all there for gm's to see but they didn't want to. or maybe it's just FO's and coaches have this big ego that makes them think they can deal with any personality. fultz was a loser with a poor work attitude going back at least as far as washington
HEAT33 wrote:Michael Beasley, was a beast in college, soon as he made the NBA he didn't care as he was an instant millionaire.
He had the tools to be a great player, maybe a top 10 player, but just nothing between the ears
basketballRob wrote:Jay Williams was one of the most touted players ever to come out of Duke and was never the same after a motorcycle accident.
Shaun Livingston was going to be the next Magic Johnson before he had a horrific leg injury and was never the same player
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Chanel Bomber wrote:basketballRob wrote:Jay Williams was one of the most touted players ever to come out of Duke and was never the same after a motorcycle accident.
Shaun Livingston was going to be the next Magic Johnson before he had a horrific leg injury and was never the same player
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That’s a stretch, Livingston was never hyped as the next Magic. He wasn’t even the next Penny. He was hella talented though, and his injury definitely put a ceiling on his career, but he was never going to be the next Magic, come on bro lol.
BadMofoPimp wrote:Durant thinks Vooch is one of the Best Centers in the NBA. I will take his word over a couch-GM yelling at a TV.
basketballRob wrote:He looks really goodilluminati666 wrote:Bruno Caboclo
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dc wrote:NPZ wrote:dc wrote:Glenn Robinson was a surprise bust/disappointment. I know it's strange to say that of a 2 time all-star, but consider that he was basically the consensus #1 overall pick in a draft with Kidd and Grant Hill taken after him. He had some good years with the Bucks, but he ended up being a journeyman by the time he hit his late 20s. That's a big disappointment considering his draft hype what people expected of him.
Remember SportsCenter during his Purdue years having his highlights on every night. He was hyped up a little, but you get that when you average 30 pts in college. He was a good player, he just wasn't better than Hill or Kidd and that question was debated even then. I wouldn't call Robinson a bust by any means, but I'd like to know what specifically he was doing to make MIL prefer him over Hill or Kidd's games. Maybe a 40sthg Bucks fan can answer that one. That is the franchise that swiped Coach Dunleavy from the Lakers and overpaid him heavily to sign with them, so they were in the habit of purposely choosing mediocrity maybe. Hill was known as the all-around best player in 94, too. It's not like they had to discover that after the fact. Kidd was obviously a top notch passer/PG. He's still the best passing college prospect, btw. No one has touched him since. Don't tell me about Lonzo either.''
You have to recall a couple things about that era of basketball:
1. college performance really mattered
2. NBA wasn't the guard heavy league that it now is.
Robinson was absolutely dominant at Purdue. He was a one man team that carried an otherwise pretty lame Purdue roster. He pretty much single handidly beat a very good/deep Kansas team in the semi-final. Grant Hill was just thought of as a really talented guy scoring 17-18ppg who wasn't required to do as much playing for a team a program as good as Duke.
Kidd was a PG. He was very highly thought of, but the thought back then was you can never win building around a PG not named Magic (who was a 6'9" PG). And of course teams were concerned about his poor shooting ability.
Robinson wasn't thought of as much of a playmaker in college, but remember this was the peak era of 90s isolation basketball with zone defenses not being allowed and such, and he was clearly the most dominant ISO scorer in college.
dc wrote:tsirigoj wrote:I read a quote back in the day that people thought his ceiling was best player in the league and, possibly, one of the best ever.
C-Webb never had a 'one of the GOATs' ceiling.
That's the first I ever heard of that. That's the kind of stuff that comes from dad's and middle school coaches. I guess that's a first for everything. CBSSportsline once pegged Terence Morris from Maryland as the #1 pick in the 1999 draft at the beginning of the college season. Morris ended up going in the 2nd round.
I mean, the guy went #5 overall in the draft and, outside of Donyell Marshall to the T-Wolves, I didn't hear anyone saying the teams drafting ahead of that should've taken Howard. Howard was a 6'9" PF with pretty decent post skills and average athletically. That never screamed GOAT to me.
Webber was hands down the #1 HS recruit in the country when the Fab 5 formed. Howard was never a better player at Michigan and never thought to have more upside.
