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VanWest82 wrote:Warriors are 7th in DRTG but only 22nd in ORTG. They'd probably be 1st in DRTG if they didn't have to hide Steph all game.
The Warriors with the best NRTGs are Bazemore, Looney, JTA, and Draymond, basically their best defenders plus Wiggins.
Warriors are 1st in assists because Draymond is a stud passer getting everyone involved. He had 19 assists tonight!
Steph just can't get it done without so much help to prop him up and make him look good.Spoiler:
floppymoose wrote:Whenever Steph gets pissed it's over. Whether it's Delladova or Beverly or Perkins or Compazzo, the moment some guy on the other teams takes it too far they've just lost the game. Angry Steph is next level.
TinmanZBoy wrote:Steph is exposed ... turns out he is an alien...
clyde21 wrote:xdrta+ wrote:Rodwilliams wrote:
I gave him credit for the 11 game run but they are still in 9th place. All I’m saying is get to the 8th spot which shouldn’t be hard.
Right, if they get to 8th seed you'll rescind the innumerable comments you've made over the last 110 pages. You are hilarious.
it's a comedy sesh in this thread
Ontario wrote:clyde21 wrote:xdrta+ wrote:
Right, if they get to 8th seed you'll rescind the innumerable comments you've made over the last 110 pages. You are hilarious.
it's a comedy sesh in this thread
Curry is a phenominal player, the greatest shooter ever, the foundation for one of the most successful most amazing teams ever (I'm talking about their first title through their 73 win season). He'll be in the hall of fame and talked about long after his actual playing days are over.
All that being said recency bias and the media dirven business of the NBA in fact oversells this guy because he is likeable, relateable and photgenic. He is a great, but he doesn't belong in the top ten conversations some some people here react negatively simply because they are jaded by this oversatuation of Curry media. he can both be a great guy and still miss the playoffs, those two things are not incompatible.
WarriorGM wrote:How is he oversold? If anything it is the reverse. Media is only begrudgingly selling him because he is the one people are tuning in to watch. Yet even when they do so it is with faint praise and backhanded compliments. Best shooter ever? That's basically an insult at this point. Curry is possibly the greatest offensive force in basketball history. He should have been getting comparisons to top 10 greats years ago but instead earlier this year they were comparing him to Damian Lillard and suggesting Lillard was better. Then you have silly threads like this one full of people who thought that might actually be true. Here's what's closer to the truth: Curry has been the best player in the league since 2015. He is on a trajectory of a top 5 player ever.
Ontario wrote:WarriorGM wrote:How is he oversold? If anything it is the reverse. Media is only begrudgingly selling him because he is the one people are tuning in to watch. Yet even when they do so it is with faint praise and backhanded compliments. Best shooter ever? That's basically an insult at this point. Curry is possibly the greatest offensive force in basketball history. He should have been getting comparisons to top 10 greats years ago but instead earlier this year they were comparing him to Damian Lillard and suggesting Lillard was better. Then you have silly threads like this one full of people who thought that might actually be true. Here's what's closer to the truth: Curry has been the best player in the league since 2015. He is on a trajectory of a top 5 player ever.
How is her being over sold?
Well for instance you might have missed this?
https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/marvel-espn-nba-game-avengers-1234958705
Curry is possibly the greatest offensive force in the history of basketball? He's not Jesus man, he cannot sink 3 pt. shots while walking on water, that's an awful lot of hype for your poor guy to have to live up too. No wonder people are making such high (and equally ridiculous) demands that he contend surrounded by garbage, if he is a basketball miracle he currently would be contending.... unfortunately he is just a human being, and you know what? That's okay.
What's wrong with a comparison to Lillard? Dame is also a really good shooter, Steph is better of course at that, Lillard surely has attributes to his game that are more complete than Steph.
He's on a trajectory to be a top 5 player ever? He wasn't even the top player on his team when KD was there, so what that makes the top 5 players of all time Lberon, MJ, Wilt (in whatever order you choose to put those three guys) then KD then Steph? Steph's wife and his mom can be excused for beliving that, and maybe his kids.... but unless your anyone other than that you're just being silly.
He is amazing, he is historic, he is important to the NBA, but you don't have to shoehorn him into anything more sacred than that.
Ontario wrote:clyde21 wrote:xdrta+ wrote:
Right, if they get to 8th seed you'll rescind the innumerable comments you've made over the last 110 pages. You are hilarious.
it's a comedy sesh in this thread
Curry is a phenominal player, the greatest shooter ever, the foundation for one of the most successful most amazing teams ever (I'm talking about their first title through their 73 win season). He'll be in the hall of fame and talked about long after his actual playing days are over.
All that being said recency bias and the media dirven business of the NBA in fact oversells this guy because he is likeable, relateable and photgenic. He is a great, but he doesn't belong in the top ten conversations some some people here react negatively simply because they are jaded by this oversatuation of Curry media. he can both be a great guy and still miss the playoffs, those two things are not incompatible.
clyde21 wrote:Ontario wrote:clyde21 wrote:
it's a comedy sesh in this thread
Curry is a phenominal player, the greatest shooter ever, the foundation for one of the most successful most amazing teams ever (I'm talking about their first title through their 73 win season). He'll be in the hall of fame and talked about long after his actual playing days are over.
All that being said recency bias and the media dirven business of the NBA in fact oversells this guy because he is likeable, relateable and photgenic. He is a great, but he doesn't belong in the top ten conversations some some people here react negatively simply because they are jaded by this oversatuation of Curry media. he can both be a great guy and still miss the playoffs, those two things are not incompatible.
i think WarriorsGM goes way overboard in his Steph praise, but other than that, most people are pretty tempered when it comes to Steph, I don't know if even most people have him in their top 20 all time (maybe we can run a thread to see)...but it's not insane to have Steph in the top 12-18 range say all time...who cares if a few people have him higher? there are a bunch of people that have him much lower, too. that shouldn't affect your opinion specifically.
as for Steph, he has been by far the most underrated superstar we've ever seen. how many other superstars get 100 page exposed threads after winning multiple rings and MVPs? the answer is none. we haven't seen it for LeBron, or Kawhi or Haden or KD or whoever...that's because for some reason the expectations for Steph is absurd...dude can't even have a bad game without the usual anti-Steph pitchfork mob coming back to this thread and spreading their usual nonsense...what other player that has accomplished as much as Steph is still asked to 'prove himself'? completely **** ridiculous.
what this is, if we're all being honest, are people who have been resenting Steph the last 6-7 years and finally have a slight opportunity to flex whatever they can find against him because the Warriors are no longer winning rings...they seem to be LeBron fans mostly with some Houston fans mixed in for obvious reasons, but again imo if anything Steph has been largely underrated since the 2016 finals.
clyde21 wrote:i think WarriorsGM goes way overboard in his Steph praise, but other than that, most people are pretty tempered when it comes to Steph, I don't know if even most people have him in their top 20 all time (maybe we can run a thread to see)...but it's not insane to have Steph in the top 12-18 range say all time...who cares if a few people have him higher? there are a bunch of people that have him much lower, too. that shouldn't affect your opinion specifically.
as for Steph, he has been by far the most underrated superstar we've ever seen. how many other superstars get 100 page exposed threads after winning multiple rings and MVPs? the answer is none. we haven't seen it for LeBron, or Kawhi or Haden or KD or whoever...that's because for some reason the expectations for Steph is absurd...dude can't even have a bad game without the usual anti-Steph pitchfork mob coming back to this thread and spreading their usual nonsense...what other player that has accomplished as much as Steph is still asked to 'prove himself'? completely **** ridiculous.
what this is, if we're all being honest, are people who have been resenting Steph the last 6-7 years and finally have a slight opportunity to flex whatever they can find against him because the Warriors are no longer winning rings...they seem to be LeBron fans mostly with some Houston fans mixed in for obvious reasons, but again imo if anything Steph has been largely underrated since the 2016 finals.
rtiff68 wrote:^This
WarriorGM wrote:clyde21 wrote:i think WarriorsGM goes way overboard in his Steph praise, but other than that, most people are pretty tempered when it comes to Steph, I don't know if even most people have him in their top 20 all time (maybe we can run a thread to see)...but it's not insane to have Steph in the top 12-18 range say all time...who cares if a few people have him higher? there are a bunch of people that have him much lower, too. that shouldn't affect your opinion specifically.
as for Steph, he has been by far the most underrated superstar we've ever seen. how many other superstars get 100 page exposed threads after winning multiple rings and MVPs? the answer is none. we haven't seen it for LeBron, or Kawhi or Haden or KD or whoever...that's because for some reason the expectations for Steph is absurd...dude can't even have a bad game without the usual anti-Steph pitchfork mob coming back to this thread and spreading their usual nonsense...what other player that has accomplished as much as Steph is still asked to 'prove himself'? completely **** ridiculous.
what this is, if we're all being honest, are people who have been resenting Steph the last 6-7 years and finally have a slight opportunity to flex whatever they can find against him because the Warriors are no longer winning rings...they seem to be LeBron fans mostly with some Houston fans mixed in for obvious reasons, but again imo if anything Steph has been largely underrated since the 2016 finals.rtiff68 wrote:^This
I on the other hand think that even these guys underestimate the potential Curry possesses.
rtiff68 wrote:WarriorGM wrote:clyde21 wrote:i think WarriorsGM goes way overboard in his Steph praise, but other than that, most people are pretty tempered when it comes to Steph, I don't know if even most people have him in their top 20 all time (maybe we can run a thread to see)...but it's not insane to have Steph in the top 12-18 range say all time...who cares if a few people have him higher? there are a bunch of people that have him much lower, too. that shouldn't affect your opinion specifically.
as for Steph, he has been by far the most underrated superstar we've ever seen. how many other superstars get 100 page exposed threads after winning multiple rings and MVPs? the answer is none. we haven't seen it for LeBron, or Kawhi or Haden or KD or whoever...that's because for some reason the expectations for Steph is absurd...dude can't even have a bad game without the usual anti-Steph pitchfork mob coming back to this thread and spreading their usual nonsense...what other player that has accomplished as much as Steph is still asked to 'prove himself'? completely **** ridiculous.
what this is, if we're all being honest, are people who have been resenting Steph the last 6-7 years and finally have a slight opportunity to flex whatever they can find against him because the Warriors are no longer winning rings...they seem to be LeBron fans mostly with some Houston fans mixed in for obvious reasons, but again imo if anything Steph has been largely underrated since the 2016 finals.rtiff68 wrote:^This
I on the other hand think that even these guys underestimate the potential Curry possesses.
Well, for the record, I hope you’re right and we’re wrong.
Steph is a tough guy to rank because he’s so unconventional in a myriad of ways, so the amount of discourse— and wildly varying opinions— isn’t surprising.
What annoys me is when people make “arguments” that are surface-oriented, and often silly and easily disproven...
...and after that happens, the same handful of posters continue to parrot those stupid narratives anyway, oftentimes creating thread after thread (thinly veiled) to do so.
There are reasonable ways to take shots at Steph and any other player. When you do the aforementioned instead of highlighting those things, people are going to call you out.
Marrrcuss wrote:floppymoose wrote:Whenever Steph gets pissed it's over. Whether it's Delladova or Beverly or Perkins or Compazzo, the moment some guy on the other teams takes it too far they've just lost the game. Angry Steph is next level.
The guys you just named are Mount Rushmore potentials. Thanks for sharing.
Yea, we're the crazy ones...
WarriorGM wrote:rtiff68 wrote:WarriorGM wrote:
I on the other hand think that even these guys underestimate the potential Curry possesses.
Well, for the record, I hope you’re right and we’re wrong.
Steph is a tough guy to rank because he’s so unconventional in a myriad of ways, so the amount of discourse— and wildly varying opinions— isn’t surprising.
What annoys me is when people make “arguments” that are surface-oriented, and often silly and easily disproven...
...and after that happens, the same handful of posters continue to parrot those stupid narratives anyway, oftentimes creating thread after thread (thinly veiled) to do so.
There are reasonable ways to take shots at Steph and any other player. When you do the aforementioned instead of highlighting those things, people are going to call you out.
What did I say that is false? Or even misleading? To me the facts scream Curry is of the tier I describe. Yet we have threads like this one. Clearly there is a yawning gap between what the conventional wisdom people are being sold says and the actual truth.
rtiff68 wrote:WarriorGM wrote:rtiff68 wrote:
Well, for the record, I hope you’re right and we’re wrong.
Steph is a tough guy to rank because he’s so unconventional in a myriad of ways, so the amount of discourse— and wildly varying opinions— isn’t surprising.
What annoys me is when people make “arguments” that are surface-oriented, and often silly and easily disproven...
...and after that happens, the same handful of posters continue to parrot those stupid narratives anyway, oftentimes creating thread after thread (thinly veiled) to do so.
There are reasonable ways to take shots at Steph and any other player. When you do the aforementioned instead of highlighting those things, people are going to call you out.
What did I say that is false? Or even misleading? To me the facts scream Curry is of the tier I describe. Yet we have threads like this one. Clearly there is a yawning gap between what the conventional wisdom people are being sold says and the actual truth.
It’s not that you said anything false, because you didn’t.
It’s about projecting Steph to be a top 5 player as if it’s some kind of obvious inevitability. It’s not.
Hardware and longevity matter in these “all time” discussions— more than they should, but they do. Steph is lighter in those areas if we’re talking top 5...
Steph’s defense (or, on this case, lack thereof) is massively overly bashed, but he is not a great defender, by any stretch of logic. He’s average. When we’re picking nits at this level (top 5), that counts.
I personally have Steph in that 12-14 range, which is right where I have Durant. If you have him 15-20, that’s reasonable to me; if you start punting him out of the top 20, I start raising my eyebrows.
To jump higher he’ll need another title as the team’s best player— something that matters WAY more to me than voted upon awards like MVP and FMVP.
Marrrcuss wrote::lol:
