MJ's record is not 6-0, its 6-15

[CoP]

MJ only went 6-0 in the Finals because of weak West opponents.

Lebron only made 10 Finals because of weak East opponents.

There we go, that should get everyone mad now.

[OdomFan]

Same incorrect arguments as usual from the Anti Jordan club.

[stormi]

Players aren't afraid of Lebron like they were of Jordan

The actions of the Celtics and the 2nd best player of the generation, Kevin Durant say otherwise.

LeBron won 0 championships until he formed a super team. Kevin Durant just out super-teamed him, that's all.

Lebron couldn't will his way to a championship with... ZYDRUNAS ILGAUSKAS as his running mate. Cry me a river man

[stormi]

Players aren't afraid of Lebron like they were of Jordan

The actions of the Celtics and the 2nd best player of the generation, Kevin Durant say otherwise.

Who was scared of Jordan? Magic who routinely pounded him until he got old and dealt with medical conditions?

Larry Legend who 6-0'd him H2H in playoff series'?

The Bad boy Pistons who beat up on the Bulls for years?

Lol

LMAO. I notice you only used teams from when Jordan was still learning how to play with his team

Or until literally all his comp got old or washed up and he played on a super team in the talent deprived 90s.

[twyzted]

Meanwhile Lebron is sitting at 20%. With superior supporting cast and abandoning weaker teams to play on better teams.

Players aren't afraid of Lebron like they were of Jordan

The actions of the Celtics and the 2nd best player of the generation, Kevin Durant say otherwise.

Who was scared of Jordan? Magic who routinely pounded him until he got old and dealt with medical conditions?

Larry Legend who 6-0'd him H2H in playoff series'?

The Bad boy Pistons who beat up on the Bulls for years?

Lol

No celtics went from not making the playoffs to beating lebron in the east semis 2 of 3 years before Lebron went to create superteam to beat the celtics and dwight howards magic... You know the 32-34 year old lead celtics team who all were older then Magic was we Bulls beat the lakers.

“I would never have called him the greatest player I’d ever seen if I didn’t mean it,” Bird told The Boston Globe. “It’s just God disguised as Michael Jordan.”

[The Rebel]

The actions of the Celtics and the 2nd best player of the generation, Kevin Durant say otherwise.

Who was scared of Jordan? Magic who routinely pounded him until he got old and dealt with medical conditions?

Larry Legend who 6-0'd him H2H in playoff series'?

The Bad boy Pistons who beat up on the Bulls for years?

Lol

LMAO. I notice you only used teams from when Jordan was still learning how to play with his team

Or until literally all his comp got old or washed up and he played on a super team in the talent deprived 90s.

There was more top end talent in the 90s than from 2005-2015.

[stormi]

LMAO. I notice you only used teams from when Jordan was still learning how to play with his team

Or until literally all his comp got old or washed up and he played on a super team in the talent deprived 90s.

There was more top end talent in the 90s than from 2005-2015.

Lebron's worst finals opposition is better than anyone Jordan saw. Imagine getting to see teams like... Drexler and who?, Shawn Kemp and Charles Barkley when you're playing on a glorified all star team with another HOF'er and a stacked surrounding cast.

Compared to the 73-9 Warriors, Pop's Spurs spearheaded by Tim Duncan, Dirk's Mavs and The Durant Warriors... Silly

[The Rebel]

Or until literally all his comp got old or washed up and he played on a super team in the talent deprived 90s.

There was more top end talent in the 90s than from 2005-2015.

Lebron's worst finals opposition is better than anyone Jordan saw. Imagine comparing finals comp of Drexler and who?, Shawn Kemp and Charles Barkley to the 73-9 Warriors, Pop's Spurs spearheaded by Tim Duncan, Dirk's Mavs and The Durant Warriors.

80 year old Tim Duncan, oh I am sure he could have shut down Jordan. The fact that Dirk and Duncan were still leading contenders into their late 30s proves that the entire era was missing too end talent.

[stormi]

There was more top end talent in the 90s than from 2005-2015.

Lebron's worst finals opposition is better than anyone Jordan saw. Imagine comparing finals comp of Drexler and who?, Shawn Kemp and Charles Barkley to the 73-9 Warriors, Pop's Spurs spearheaded by Tim Duncan, Dirk's Mavs and The Durant Warriors.

80 year old Tim Duncan, oh I am sure he could have shut down Jordan. The fact that Dirk and Duncan were still leading contenders into their late 30s proves that the entire era was missing too end talent.

Right the era of Duncan, Shaq, Garnett, Dirk, Kobe, Durant, Wade and Lebron was clearlyyy less talented than the 90s where guys like Patrick Ewing and Larry Nance Jr clones in Shawn Kemp were bossing the league

[The4thHorseman]

Yes. And that's what makes him so great.

6-15, 40% of his seasons he won championship.


Meanwhile Lebron is sitting at 20%. With superior supporting cast and abandoning weaker teams to play on better teams.

Only took 6 posts to bring up a players name that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand

Completely rent free.

[KrAzY3]

I think a lot of this comes down to people looking at ability instead of competitiveness.

LeBron might in terms of ability be a better basketball player than Jordan. He's certainly bigger and stronger, there's no doubt there. LeBron James had a playing weight at one point that was above Karl Malone's! LeBron actually exaggerated his height downward to try to seem smaller than he is, in shoes he's around 6'10. So we're talking a physical beast, size, speed, strength, athleticism. On top of that he can handle the ball like a point guard? It's insane and he legitimately might be the most physically gifted athlete the NBA has seen (Wilt Chamberlain is up there to).

So he goes out there and does amazing things because he's an amazing basketball specimen with unique talents. However, as a competitor? He's not on Jordan's level. Heck, he's not on Kobe's level, and he's not on Bill Russell's level as a competitor either. He's at the very top in terms of ability, but in terms of competitiveness he's might not be in the second tier either.

This is where people get hung up trying to make comparisons. They see what LeBron can do, and the guy can do about anything and say wow he's the best! Then because I think a lot of them missed the Jordan era, they don't appreciate the difference. I saw both play, and one was a an assassin. Always with the killer instinct. Jordan would beat his opponents through sheer will. To be fair LeBron does that, sometimes. Sometimes though we see 2011 Finals LeBron, the guy who finished third on the team in scoring. Doesn't even make it to a game seven against a team with Dirk and a bunch of nobodies. Sometimes we see the moping, focusing on an injury that wasn't apparent minutes earlier LeBron. Meanwhile Jordan went out there with the flu and murders the opponent.

That's the difference. Jordan was an assassin all the time. LeBron? It comes and goes, and admittedly when LeBron has it all together he's not just the best player on the court but may be the best player on any court ever. The problem is he isn't always that guy. That's the difference. That's why LeBron would go out and lose to inferior opponents and things like that (I'm a Magic fan but he had no business losing to Howard and Lewis). LeBron was always the best talent on the court, he wasn't always the best competitor.

[Marrrcuss]

6/15 > 4/18. Heck, even Bird's 3/13 is greater than 4/18.

In a vacuum, i totally agree.

This is absolutely not close to being in a vacuum though. Like, no where close to being in one. Thats my issue.

[Tacoma]

I tend to agree. Saying "Jordan is 6-0" is like saying "he's perfect, if you don't count all the times he lost". It's not all that meaningful.

There are plenty of good arguments in favour of Jordan being the GOAT, I'm not even sure I disagree. But "6-0" is not one of them. Reducing everything to one out-of-context number rarely is.

Then let's put it in context. Many bring up that LeBron has been to the Finals 10 times to support his being the GOAT. Those who counter that will bring up that LeBron got to the Finals this many times because the he played in the East in an era where the East sucked, and so Finals record matters because that's when he faced "real" competition, the truer test of greatness.

So if you bring up # times to Finals as a factor to support greatness, then you also have to bring up Finals record, and 6/6 is much better than 4/10. That's the context I see in why 6-0 matters.

[dickfox]

do you even math, bro?

[MoochieNorris]

strong math

[The4thHorseman]

6/15 is still better than 4/17.

Is it though?

Uh yes?

Who wouldn't take 6 championships in a 15 year stretch over 4 championships over a 17 year stretch?

Except it wasn't a 15yr stretch. It took him 19yrs to play 15 seasons. His 6 titles would look a lot more impressive if he had played consecutive seasons instead of taking time off (in his prime) after his first 3 titles. He avoided a lot of wear-n-tear on his body while taking those 22mos off. I don't think he gets 6 titles w/o time-off to rest his mind and body.

[Doranku]

Or until literally all his comp got old or washed up and he played on a super team in the talent deprived 90s.

There was more top end talent in the 90s than from 2005-2015.

Lebron's worst finals opposition is better than anyone Jordan saw. Imagine getting to see teams like... Drexler and who?, Shawn Kemp and Charles Barkley when you're playing on a glorified all star team with another HOF'er and a stacked surrounding cast.

Compared to the 73-9 Warriors, Pop's Spurs spearheaded by Tim Duncan, Dirk's Mavs and The Durant Warriors... Silly

This post is so weird. A Philly guy **** on Chuck like he's a nobody, then casually lumps in Dirk's Mavs with the most stacked team of all-time.

[The4thHorseman]

Except it does mean very much. 6-0 is Jordan and the Bulls FInals record and people are going to continue to use it in Jordans argument because he earned that. What is the point of the playoffs? It's to work hard to reach the Finals, then once you're there you aim to bring that championship trophy home to your teams city. That alone is why the NBA Finals record deserves the respect of having its own stand alone record for each of these stars who earn their way into it.

Not really. It's just a way of hand-waving away all the times Jordan lost by turning them into a "-0".

I agree with you that people are going to continue to make the argument. That doesn't make it a good argument.

Go ahead, give him credit for those 6 titles, he absolutely deserves it. Saying "6-0" frames it in such a way that it wipes away all his losses in earlier rounds as though they don't count.

I think you're just over thinking something very simple. 6-0 is the teams NBA FInals record. Not entire playoff record with Michael Jordan. I have never once heard or read anyone say on the internet that Jordans entire playoff career is 6-0. People are not stupid, we're aware that they lost in the 80s and in 1990. However there's no reason to mention that when the conversation is about his teams success in the NBA Finals round. If that argument doesn't make any sense to you than so be it.

1995 also, just sayin'.

[The4thHorseman]

Players aren't afraid of Lebron like they were of Jordan

The actions of the Celtics and the 2nd best player of the generation, Kevin Durant say otherwise.

Who was scared of Jordan? Magic who routinely pounded him until he got old and dealt with medical conditions?

Larry Legend who 6-0'd him H2H in playoff series'?

The Bad boy Pistons who beat up on the Bulls for years?

Lol

LMAO. I notice you only used teams from when Jordan was still learning how to play with his team, while ignoring the fact that the it was Lebron who was scared of the Celtics and that Durant had no choice but to join a super team since Lebron was already on his 2nd super team that he had formed.

Lebron is the neighborhood bully, when someone stands up to him he calls his superstar friends, and if that don't work he whines to the authorities and they help him out. Want proof, go watch the Nuggets Lakers game a couple of nights ago and the way it was reffed.

Jordan was relentless, every time he got beat he worked his ass off and came back better, until nobody could beat him. I don't remember a single time where he went public whining about having to earn a playoff spot or about not getting enough favoritism from the refs.

MJ quote after beating the Pistons in 1991

''We`ve taken the Good Boy image and walked away,'' Jordan added. ''We may have complained about it and told the teacher, or whatever, but we never tried to lower ourselves to that level. We didn't lose our cool or our heads. We maintained our poise.''

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1991-05-28-9102170643-story.html

1991 was the first year of the flagrant foul rule that Stern implemented. Safe to say MJ referring to "complaining to the teacher" is why the rule was put in place the following season. Basically outing himself for crying to Stern about the Pistons in previous seasons.

[stormi]

The actions of the Celtics and the 2nd best player of the generation, Kevin Durant say otherwise.

Who was scared of Jordan? Magic who routinely pounded him until he got old and dealt with medical conditions?

Larry Legend who 6-0'd him H2H in playoff series'?

The Bad boy Pistons who beat up on the Bulls for years?

Lol

LMAO. I notice you only used teams from when Jordan was still learning how to play with his team, while ignoring the fact that the it was Lebron who was scared of the Celtics and that Durant had no choice but to join a super team since Lebron was already on his 2nd super team that he had formed.

Lebron is the neighborhood bully, when someone stands up to him he calls his superstar friends, and if that don't work he whines to the authorities and they help him out. Want proof, go watch the Nuggets Lakers game a couple of nights ago and the way it was reffed.

Jordan was relentless, every time he got beat he worked his ass off and came back better, until nobody could beat him. I don't remember a single time where he went public whining about having to earn a playoff spot or about not getting enough favoritism from the refs.

MJ quote after beating the Pistons in 1991

''We`ve taken the Good Boy image and walked away,'' Jordan added. ''We may have complained about it and told the teacher, or whatever, but we never tried to lower ourselves to that level. We didn't lose our cool or our heads. We maintained our poise.''

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1991-05-28-9102170643-story.html

1991 was the first year of the flagrant foul rule that Stern implemented. Safe to say MJ referring to "complaining to the teacher" is why the rule was put in place the following season. Basically outing himself for crying to Stern about the Pistons in previous seasons.

He literally went to the league and begged them to move the three point line closer. Also threatened to retire when the Bulls were considering trading his meal ticket Scottie away. These wives tales about MJ being some indestructible force of nobility and perseverance need to be put to bed.