(Thread has been bumped) SHAMS: Grizzlies Trading Valunciunas + Nos. 17 & 51 Picks to NOLA for Adams, Bledsoe, Draft Pix

[donato]

Lowry/Hart/Ingram/Zion/JV is a very solid lineup

Lol. Pelicans unlikely to even bring Hart back this year. NAW will likely be starting.

[Jadoogar]

yall don't understand this from Memphis perspective, JV was useless for them, it was time to give the 5 hole to JJJ anyways, and they have Tillman rook from last year as well...Adams is just filler/bench mob guy at this point for them

the guy they will get @ 10 we're talking in the Jalen Johnson or Jonathan Kuminga category vs. the guy they could've gotten @ 17, and you're adding next year's Lakers pick on top of it.

JV was low key the grizz's most important player.

most important player in what? barely eeking out an 8th seed? who cares. they need to hand the keys in the front court to JJJ, Clarke and Tillman...JV is not in their long term plans.

I know centers are less valuable now but especially in the West, they are going to need someone to guard Jokic and Ayton. JJJ, while good, is going to get eaten alive. JV, for all his faults, is a big body. Historically defended Embiid very well.

[Ballerhogger]

Memphis about hard cap themselves …. Why ? Do they think adams is the rim protection that makes the difference in the playoffs

[Bologna Smasher]

Spacing will be once again an issue for Zion now , nobody falls for jonas pump fake 3 ball

Huge improvement over Adams. JV brings similar level of defense and rebounding so Zion doesn't need to exert himself there in the RS. And then on offense he can atleast stand at the 3 and someone needs to stay close. May not be Brook Lopez or Myles Turner but still a very solid piece to have. He'll atleast space to mid range and give Zion space which Adams could never do.

Great trade for the Pelicans. They have young assets, 10->17 not a huge deal for them. Then offload Adams and Bledsoe and get back the most underrated big man in the league.

this is what i was looking for. Hadn't really had the chance to see JV like that recently, wasn't sure how much changed about his game.

He's actually been a solid three-point shooter, just on very low volume. I don't see why he can't sustain it with more volume since he's always been a good shooter overall. With the way the Pelicans had Adams working on his three this off-season, I'm expecting that they'll have Val play as more of a threat out there. I don't think the spacing issue someone else mentioned is going to be an issue.

[Texas Chuck]

Memphis about hard cap themselves …. Why ? Do they think adams is the rim protection that makes the difference in the playoffs

Nothing in this trade remotely triggers a hard cap mate.

[sca]

yall don't understand this from Memphis perspective, JV was useless for them, it was time to give the 5 hole to JJJ anyways, and they have Tillman rook from last year as well...Adams is just filler/bench mob guy at this point for them

the guy they will get @ 10 we're talking in the Jalen Johnson or Jonathan Kuminga category vs. the guy they could've gotten @ 17, and you're adding next year's Lakers pick on top of it.

They’re almost certainly a lottery team next year without JV. It only takes a few years of missing the play-offs for the young cores to start having chemistry issues. Then someone will get fired, be it the GM or the coach. I just don’t see the upside for them.

i disagree, I think Jaren Jackson if healthy is ready to explode on the scene, and they need to give him as many mins as possible, and Tillman was one of the best rookies in the NBA last year, they also got Clarke and have picked up an extra first rounder on top of moving up 7 slots in this class.

and they barely made the POs even with JV, so who the hell cares. JV is not in their long term plans and really shouldn't be at this point.

Among those, only JJJ has shown that he can play at the center position for long stretches. The other two are just too undersized IMO, but maybe you’re right with the direction the league is headed. I think you’re underrstimating the detrimental effect of missing the play-offs for a young core, especially after making one, but let’s just agree to disagree.

[clyde21]

JV was low key the grizz's most important player.

most important player in what? barely eeking out an 8th seed? who cares. they need to hand the keys in the front court to JJJ, Clarke and Tillman...JV is not in their long term plans.

I know centers are less valuable now but especially in the West, they are going to need someone to guard Jokic and Ayton. JJJ, while good, is going to get eaten alive. JV, for all his faults, is a big body. Historically defended Embiid very well.

they have Adams for that if they need a big body in the paint...but you can't keep holding on to JV forever, they drafted JJJ for a reason and he needs to start and get his minutes, period.

not sure what u guys are really arguing at this point...should they not have done this trade to keep JV? yea...no. ill gladly hand the keys to JJJ and take the 10th pick and the another 1st next year.

[BallinBug]

yall don't understand this from Memphis perspective, JV was useless for them, it was time to give the 5 hole to JJJ anyways, and they have Tillman rook from last year as well...Adams is just filler/bench mob guy at this point for them

the guy they will get @ 10 we're talking in the Jalen Johnson or Jonathan Kuminga category vs. the guy they could've gotten @ 17, and you're adding next year's Lakers pick on top of it.

They’re almost certainly a lottery team next year without JV. It only takes a few years of missing the play-offs for the young cores to start having chemistry issues. Then someone will get fired, be it the GM or the coach. I just don’t see the upside for them.

They got Adams back though no way they miss the playoffs. Do we forget how good Adams was in OKC?

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[Ballerhogger]

Memphis about hard cap themselves …. Why ? Do they think adams is the rim protection that makes the difference in the playoffs

Nothing in this trade remotely triggers a hard cap mate.

Isn’t Adams making like 27m a year now ?

[TheNewEra]

I like it for the Pelicans. JV won’t help them much on defense but getting rid of Bledsoe and Adams for a better fit player works.

Pelicans really are going all in but oddly enough it might cost Memphis a playoff chance.

[donato]

Memphis about hard cap themselves …. Why ? Do they think adams is the rim protection that makes the difference in the playoffs

Nothing in this trade remotely triggers a hard cap mate.

Isn’t Adams making like 27m a year now ?

$17m

[Shock Defeat]

Yikes. This trade is bad for all teams involved.

[TheNewEra]

yall don't understand this from Memphis perspective, JV was useless for them, it was time to give the 5 hole to JJJ anyways, and they have Tillman rook from last year as well...Adams is just filler/bench mob guy at this point for them

the guy they will get @ 10 we're talking in the Jalen Johnson or Jonathan Kuminga category vs. the guy they could've gotten @ 17, and you're adding next year's Lakers pick on top of it.

They’re almost certainly a lottery team next year without JV. It only takes a few years of missing the play-offs for the young cores to start having chemistry issues. Then someone will get fired, be it the GM or the coach. I just don’t see the upside for them.

They got Adams back though no way they miss the playoffs. Do we forget how good Adams was in OKC?

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For a team in need of shooting this move seems kind of backwards. If Memphis really wants a playoff run they need to nail these draft picks they traded up to get.

Don’t see Adams as a upgrade at all for this Memphis team given the situation

[Texas Chuck]

Memphis about hard cap themselves …. Why ? Do they think adams is the rim protection that makes the difference in the playoffs

Nothing in this trade remotely triggers a hard cap mate.

Isn’t Adams making like 27m a year now ?

In 21-22 he makes half that and this deal can't be completed until the new calendar year. But it wouldn't matter if he made $47M it doesn't trigger a hard cap. A hard cap is only triggered when you use the full MLE or take back a player via S&T neither of which happened here. The only limit to your payroll if you avoid those is what your governor is willing to spend.

[Loneshot]

I like this for both teams. Grizzlies weren't going to sign any top free agents that truly move the needle. They move up in the draft and add a key player to their already very promising youth core. JJJ and Morant are budding superstars, now they may add a third.

[clyde21]

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[BostonCouchGM]

clearly MEM. Two likely lottery picks and #40, they can easily get out of Bledsoe's contract and Adams actually fits well with their roster. Put it this way, which one of these teams do you think is better next season? Hint, it's the same team that is also set up better for the future. The answer is MEM in case you aren't following. And it's not at all surprising that realgm is getting it wrong like they do after almost every trade

[imDatknicksTape]

every1 thinks MEM lost, bledsoe and adams are gonna be FAs in 1-2 yrs, they MIGHT land a future all-star with 10th pick. I think they are still tanking. While NOP wants to win now to make zion happy. makes sense for both teams win win IMO

[donato]

clearly MEM. Two likely lottery picks and #40, they can easily get out of Bledsoe's contract and Adams actually fits well with their roster. Put it this way, which one of these teams do you think is better next season? Hint, it's the same team that is also set up better for the future. The answer is MEM in case you aren't following. And it's not at all surprising that realgm is getting it wrong like they do after almost every trade

Two likely lottery picks? How? Yes, they got #10. But you think the Lakers are in the lottery next year? And even if they are the pick is top 10 protected that becomes two 2nd rounders if it doesn't convey. So you're telling us the Laker pick will definitely be number 11, 12, 13 or 14 next year. Oddly specific for sure.

[pseudonym28]

Rumors are Memphis is trying to move up again. Would not be surprised if they packaged #10 Jones, Allen and the Lakers pick to move up to 6 or 7 if Kuminga is available.