2021-22 NBA Rookie Thread (part 2)

CptCrunch · Post #141 » by **CptCrunch** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 1:51 am

PrinceAli wrote:
aad wrote:Cade looking like a bust

Weaver should be fire first killian Hayes now Cade smh how do you blow a number one pick

It’s 2 games. Cant declare anyone a bust that quickly

Killian is trash tho

Bennett busted after 2 games straight up

TheProfessor · Post #142 » by **TheProfessor** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 2:04 am

Jabroni Lames wrote:
TheProfessor wrote:
twozeroMM wrote:It's comical how people on this board are so critical of a rookie.

Same thing last year with Edwards, now look at how much he's developed.

Cade and Edwards are the polar opposite, you would see it with Edwards, Edwards had it. From the first dribble, you can tell Edward had Superstart talent. Unfortunately, he was/still is dumb/inexperienced. Whereas Cade is a very smart, high effort player but hasn't shown me any tools that scream "All-NBA or even All star".

I am not saying Cade is a bust or anything, on the contrary, I think he may even be more of a positive player than Edwards in the long run. It's just that he seems very underwhelming for a first pick when considering you have a guy like Mobley and Barnes.

Does Edwards really have Superstar talent? He’s pretty darn inefficient. Classic volume chucker shooting his team out of games, following the Wiggins path. 101 ORTG and 49% TS% are both pretty bad.

You are correct and wrong at the same time. Edwards is not a positive NBA player at the moment which spot on, bad efficiency and is below-average defensively (which is actually an improvement for him). The power, separation, ability to finish through contact are special on display every game. We can see this with our eyes throughout the game he displays the talent that 99.9% of nba players dont have.

Now the problem is the kid is your right, a lot of the time a lazy chucker. But that doesn't preclude him from having superstar talent, now it's Wolves job to bring it out.

In my previous post I wasn't implying Edwards would be a superstar, I was just implying that he hasbetter chance to be a superstar than Cade.

Madhouse · Post #143 » by **Madhouse** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 2:05 am

Read on Twitter

AussieBuck · Post #144 » by **AussieBuck** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 2:05 am

Stickmann wrote:if reports were true declining sga and #6 for cade will be disastrous.

SGA and Giddey? cray cray

Blazing_royale · Post #145 » by **Blazing_royale** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 2:44 am

Cade about to fade quick.

DudetheObscure · Post #146 » by **DudetheObscure** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 2:44 am

AussieBuck wrote:
Stickmann wrote:if reports were true declining sga and #6 for cade will be disastrous.

SGA and Giddey? cray cray

I said at the time that if Presti made that offer he should be fired and if Detroit GM turned it down he should be fired.

After watching Presti for over a decade I don't think there was anyway he made that offer.

turnaroundJ · Post #147 » by **turnaroundJ** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 3:07 am

green's got 12 points in the first 9 minutes

Madhouse · Post #148 » by **Madhouse** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 3:11 am

Green has been chucking a lot but he is an athletic freak and the probability that he will figure this all out is really high. At least in terms of efficient scoring. The rest remains to be seen.

He has been playing very well so far in this game. Hitting 2 tough 3s and one beautiful left handed floater.

v1n5anity · Post #149 » by **v1n5anity** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 4:30 am

Stupid Sengun. Can't take a shot???

DroseReturnChi · Post #150 » by **DroseReturnChi** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 5:41 am

omg cade. that statline bust. i think he might be the worst pick of all time.
why did you not take giddey and superstar sga you could have screwed presti. i doubt they take back cade for giddey.

djsunyc · Post #151 » by **djsunyc** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 10:40 am

DudetheObscure wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:
Stickmann wrote:if reports were true declining sga and #6 for cade will be disastrous.

SGA and Giddey? cray cray

I said at the time that if Presti made that offer he should be fired and if Detroit GM turned it down he should be fired.

After watching Presti for over a decade I don't think there was anyway he made that offer.

i think presti wanted mobley

God Squad · Post #152 » by **God Squad** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 11:23 am

twozeroMM wrote:It's comical how people on this board are so critical of a rookie.

Same thing last year with Edwards, now look at how much he's developed.

True, but Edwards had elite athleticism to pair with his shooting. He also posses a mans body at 19-20. Cade isn't in the same stratosphere of an athlete. But yeah, I agree it's very early. I think it's Cade had a lot of fans, and haters. So most want to validate what they projected of him.

God Squad · Post #153 » by **God Squad** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 11:30 am

SOUL wrote:LaMelo had a GB thread on him after his first game lol

LaMelo also had his father to blame for being so polarizing. LaMelo had to distance himself from his dad before he became his own man.

bbms · Post #154 » by **bbms** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 11:33 am

DudetheObscure wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:
Stickmann wrote:if reports were true declining sga and #6 for cade will be disastrous.

SGA and Giddey? cray cray

I said at the time that if Presti made that offer he should be fired and if Detroit GM turned it down he should be fired.

After watching Presti for over a decade I don't think there was anyway he made that offer.

Me too.

It would make no sense to trade SGA for a player which would do great for himself if he ended up in three seasons playing as well as... SGA. Except that SGA is a proven value player against actual NBA players and a 6th pick in the mix.

Also, for those that follow the Thunder's forum Draft threads, I was always a "move picks and overpay for Evan Mobley", "if we have #1, screw mock drafts, just get Mobley".

Cade never made sense for the Thunder.

God Squad · Post #155 » by **God Squad** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 11:37 am

KembaWalker wrote:
Optimus_Steel wrote:Isn't Cade coming back form injury? Also that Det team is awful, they don't have anyone to help get some pressure off of him. People need to chill and give him some time to feel things out.

Sent from my Pixel 5 using RealGM mobile app

People said Cade didn't look great in college cause his teammates sucked. People said he didn't look great in summer league because his teammates suck.

Now he doesn't look great cause his NBA teammates suck? More like dude just isn't that special. What does he do that screams NBA star?? I don't get it. Got bashed all year in the Cade draft thread for saying the same thing. I literally don't get what people ever see him as far as people in there calling him the next Doncic, better passer than LaMelo etc. Legit horrible scouting on this site

I wouldn't go that far. But the Doncic comparisons were faulty from the start. But I've also seen sensible posters compare him to Middleton and Tatum. I think he's in the Middleton camp in the sense that I don't trust his handle/creation and he's going to have to rely heavily on his jumper. Possible comps IMO would be jumper reliant players/stars.

Middleton
Tatum
Hayward

lobosloboslobos · Post #156 » by **lobosloboslobos** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 11:48 am

aad wrote:Casey is a horrible coach I don’t understand how he got a job

worst coach i have ever seen at player development. treated rookies terribly in all his years in Toronto.

basketballRob · Post #157 » by **basketballRob** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 11:50 am

HumbleRen wrote:Cade will be fine, too good of a shooter and a great feel for the game to be a bust.

Only thing that legit concerns me is his size, he's definitely not 6'8 lol. He looks like a 6'7 at best with a small frame.

Yeah 6'7" with a 7' wingspan is really small for a SG.

Sent from my SM-G950U using RealGM Forums mobile app

Statlanta · Post #158 » by **Statlanta** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 1:33 pm

Fair or not. ZIon had injury issues and produced immediately. Cade is graded on a number draft pick scale. Outsiders will be very disappointed if he doesn’t improve sooner than later

CptCrunch · Post #159 » by **CptCrunch** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 1:34 pm

1/ Cade's shooting is fine.

2/ He was a fairly elite shooter in college, off the screen, in iso and in catch and shoot situation. Even if he can't iso in the NBA, his shot should be fine when he gets used to the speed of the game.

3/ My big problem with Cade pre-draft (hence ranking him as #6 on my big board) is that I see no path for him to play point guard in the league. In college he was at 94 assist to 109 turnovers, summer league he was 7 assist to 12 turnovers, in his first 2 games, he is 5 assists to 4 turnovers. I see no realistic path for him to improve his ATO (Assist TurnOver ratio) to a reasonable level above 2. Just as a frame of reference, a turnover prone PG like Westbrook is still at 2.5 ATO. Good NBA guards are between 2.7-3 ATO. Rubio and Paul are at 4 ATO.

4/ I fail to see how any who has ever looked at his stat sheet can believe that Cade can play point forward/guard in the league. This is all ignoring his physical deficiencies in terms of being an minus athlete at the NBA level.

CptCrunch · Post #160 » by **CptCrunch** » Wed Nov 3, 2021 1:39 pm

basketballRob wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:Cade will be fine, too good of a shooter and a great feel for the game to be a bust.

Only thing that legit concerns me is his size, he's definitely not 6'8 lol. He looks like a 6'7 at best with a small frame.
Yeah 6'7" with a 7' wingspan is really small for a SG.

Sent from my SM-G950U using RealGM Forums mobile app

You know he is officially listed by the Pistons as 6'6" in shoes right?

https://www.nba.com/player/1630595/cade_cunningham

Which rookie impresses you the most?