2021-22 NBA Rookie Thread (part 3)

[KembaWalker]

Has Cade always been this bad of a shooter? I know he had a good shooting year as a frosh, but was he trash before that?

Pistons stupidly gave John Beilein too much leeway to mess around with the kids form in the offseason and threw him outta wack.
Hornets tried to do the same thing with LaMelo who luckily told them thanks but no thanks

[Big J]

Has Cade always been this bad of a shooter? I know he had a good shooting year as a frosh, but was he trash before that?

Pistons stupidly gave John Beilein too much leeway to mess around with the kids form in the offseason and threw him outta wack.
Hornets tried to do the same thing with LaMelo who luckily told them thanks but no thanks

Crazy, gives me Fultz vibes.

[Tripod]

Barnes with 17pts, 7 reb, 4 dimes, 2 steals, 1 blk on 5/9 shooting.

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[Blacksheep25]

Barnes with 17pts, 7 reb, 4 dimes, 2 steals, 1 blk on 5/9 shooting.

Watched this game. He wasn’t bad. Tried hard. If I’m being honest, I see him as the glue guy on a good team some day. Guy that does a little bit if everything. Good lock room guy. Team defense is bad.

9-11 team, 7-11 when he plays. He’s not the difference between winning or losing or particularly positive as a player. Looks lost a lot. Second worst on numbers tonight of the starters.

He’s good for a rookie and has exceeded expectations on offense and not really been much on defense, but he’s not at all a difference maker to this point. He’s just a dude. That’s not a knock as a rookie

[basketballRob]

Franz ran the PG part of the game and looked good.

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[GSWFan1994]

Barnes has all the makings of an all-time player... the body, the absurdly long wingspan, the competitiveness, the hustle, the long strides towards the basket, the joy, the versatility, etc.

And I'm sincerely not saying that because of the way he's playing right now or since the start of the season... just take a look at my posts on him at the Draft forum, I always believed in him since seeing him at college.

[Vampirate]

Barnes with 17pts, 7 reb, 4 dimes, 2 steals, 1 blk on 5/9 shooting.

Watched this game. He wasn’t bad. Tried hard. If I’m being honest, I see him as the glue guy on a good team some day. Guy that does a little bit if everything. Good lock room guy. Team defense is bad.

9-11 team, 7-11 when he plays. He’s not the difference between winning or losing or particularly positive as a player. Looks lost a lot. Second worst on numbers tonight of the starters.

He’s good for a rookie and has exceeded expectations on offense and not really been much on defense, but he’s not at all a difference maker to this point. He’s just a dude. That’s not a knock as a rookie

Mobley is clearly the best in the draft and it's not close, but I think Barnes has Superstar potential in him if all goes right (aiming for the stars), if he doesn't reach those lofty peaks he's a really good bet for All Star status at least. (he has great size and fluid mobility, it just will depend on his jumpshot and handle)

He rebounds at an elite level for his position, scores efficiently and in bulk, is a good playmaker. It's just that Mobley's defense is light years ahead of the rest of the draft class.

[Vampirate]

Barnes has all the makings of an all-time player... the body, the absurdly long wingspan, the competitiveness, the hustle, the long strides towards the basket, the joy, the versatility, etc.

And I'm sincerely now saying that because of the way he's playing right now or since the start of the season... just take a look at my posts on him at the Draft forum, I always believed in him since seeing him at college.

Will he hit the stars or land on the moon (old metaphor) it'll be interesting to see.

Mobley is probably the easiest to predict, Barnes is probably the hardest imo.

Green and Suggs are limited by size, Cade by athleticism (but maybe he becomes so deadly at getting his shot off who knows)

Mobley is probably gonna be a more fluid Chris Bosh with DOPY defense and that's a conservative estimate tbh.

[DroseReturnChi]

Barnes with 17pts, 7 reb, 4 dimes, 2 steals, 1 blk on 5/9 shooting.

Watched this game. He wasn’t bad. Tried hard. If I’m being honest, I see him as the glue guy on a good team some day. Guy that does a little bit if everything. Good lock room guy. Team defense is bad.

9-11 team, 7-11 when he plays. He’s not the difference between winning or losing or particularly positive as a player. Looks lost a lot. Second worst on numbers tonight of the starters.

He’s good for a rookie and has exceeded expectations on offense and not really been much on defense, but he’s not at all a difference maker to this point. He’s just a dude. That’s not a knock as a rookie

Mobley is clearly the best in the draft and it's not close, but I think Barnes has Superstar potential in him if all goes right (aiming for the stars), if he doesn't reach those lofty peaks he's a really good bet for All Star status at least. (he has great size and fluid mobility, it just will depend on his jumpshot and handle)

He rebounds at an elite level for his position, scores efficiently and in bulk, is a good playmaker. It's just that Mobley's defense is light years ahead of the rest of the draft class.

you need to tank and develop him for 4 yrs which is a big commitment and its not even a guarantee just likely.
mobley is a superstar now at yr 1 huge difference he would have won a title on a top 10 team.
barnes is closer to suggs, cade tier i would say as of now.

[Vampirate]

Watched this game. He wasn’t bad. Tried hard. If I’m being honest, I see him as the glue guy on a good team some day. Guy that does a little bit if everything. Good lock room guy. Team defense is bad.

9-11 team, 7-11 when he plays. He’s not the difference between winning or losing or particularly positive as a player. Looks lost a lot. Second worst on numbers tonight of the starters.

He’s good for a rookie and has exceeded expectations on offense and not really been much on defense, but he’s not at all a difference maker to this point. He’s just a dude. That’s not a knock as a rookie

Mobley is clearly the best in the draft and it's not close, but I think Barnes has Superstar potential in him if all goes right (aiming for the stars), if he doesn't reach those lofty peaks he's a really good bet for All Star status at least. (he has great size and fluid mobility, it just will depend on his jumpshot and handle)

He rebounds at an elite level for his position, scores efficiently and in bulk, is a good playmaker. It's just that Mobley's defense is light years ahead of the rest of the draft class.

you need to tank and develop him for 4 yrs which is a big commitment and its not even a guarantee just likely.
mobley is a superstar now at yr 1 huge difference he would have won a title on a top 10 team.
barnes is closer to suggs, cade tier i would say as of now.

I never said he's on the same tier as Mobley, but Barnes is definitely on a higher tier than Cade, Green and everyone else thus far and has easily surpassed Suggs.

In other words Mobley is clearly a tier all of himself but so is Barnes, it's just that Barnes is a clear tier below Mobley.

Forget the Mobley tier, in order for Cade and especially Suggs to get into Barnes tier as a player they have to start scoring in the high teens on average on a much higher efficiency than they've shown.

Cade can if he starts to gets hot from 3 and his A/TO keeps improving might but Suggs is even a clear tier below that of Cade imo.

[srhcan]

Barnes's defense has gone to the dogs. His offense has improved but his defense is now among the worst in contenders of ROY. If he does not improve his defense he will fall out of the contenders of ROY.

[Blacksheep25]

Mobley is clearly the best in the draft and it's not close, but I think Barnes has Superstar potential in him if all goes right (aiming for the stars), if he doesn't reach those lofty peaks he's a really good bet for All Star status at least. (he has great size and fluid mobility, it just will depend on his jumpshot and handle)

He rebounds at an elite level for his position, scores efficiently and in bulk, is a good playmaker. It's just that Mobley's defense is light years ahead of the rest of the draft class.

you need to tank and develop him for 4 yrs which is a big commitment and its not even a guarantee just likely.
mobley is a superstar now at yr 1 huge difference he would have won a title on a top 10 team.
barnes is closer to suggs, cade tier i would say as of now.

I never said he's on the same tier as Mobley, but Barnes is definitely on a higher tier than Cade, Green and everyone else thus far and has easily surpassed Suggs.

In other words Mobley is clearly a tier all of himself but so is Barnes, it's just that Barnes is a clear tier below Mobley.

Forget the Mobley tier, in order for Cade and especially Suggs to get into Barnes tier as a player they have to start scoring in the high teens on average on a much higher efficiency than they've shown.

Cade can if he starts to gets hot from 3 and his A/TO keeps improving might but Suggs is even a clear tier below that of Cade imo.

Mobley looks transcendent, but it’s still early. I can’t imagine him not being a star if healthy, but I don’t assume anything until he stays healthy. His defense is already elite, but his offense is hit or miss. It’s almost a bonus if he can score a little.

I’m just kind of looking at Barnes as a stand-alone. Not comparing him to the others except I can tell what they will try to be or fail to be easier.

He’s been very good. I kind of question what he’ll be?

I think he’ll certainly be a solid rotation player who might be a borderline all star some day. I like a lot of things about him. Not his defense so far, and he’s been really reluctant to shoot 3s. But he’s strong and active and plays hard.

He’s just hard to picture as a final product. We will have to see. I feel like I know what the other guys are going to try to become, and look like at times, and with Barnes, I’m just unsure. When a kid isn’t shooting 3s and playing bad defense, yet isn’t a go to scorer, it’s hard to envision the final product.

I like his passing. His rebounds are good, but he wouldn’t get them if he was playing with an actual center. That said, he’s got something. He looks like a rotation guy already, which most rookies don’t. I don’t know what his ultimate skill will be. I know what scouts thought, but he’s kind of been the opposite. His offense has been good and defense a little struggle.

[QingJames]

Barnes has shown the capacity to be an incredibly good defender. We've seen it early on in the season and we've seen it in college. It seems likely to me rather than him suddenly becoming a bad defender, he's probably just gassed and doesn't have the conditioning necessary for the NBA yet. That's cool. He's being asked to do a lot on offense, I am sure he will get back to being the elite on-ball defender as his conditioning improves, but it can take a while for that to happen for rookies.

The questions around the off ball defense are legit. But the kid has already shown very high BBIQ, and he plays in one of the most radical and difficult to learn systems in the league - a system that isn't even working right now and not just because of Barnes. I think his off ball defense will get much, much better over the course of his career and then, with that wingspan, he will be an absolute menace defensively.

[Blacksheep25]

With Cole Anthony our, I’m pretty sure Wagner is Magic best player. He’s played nice.

[LoveMyRaps]

Barnes has shown the capacity to be an incredibly good defender. We've seen it early on in the season and we've seen it in college. It seems likely to me rather than him suddenly becoming a bad defender, he's probably just gassed and doesn't have the conditioning necessary for the NBA yet. That's cool. He's being asked to do a lot on offense, I am sure he will get back to being the elite on-ball defender as his conditioning improves, but it can take a while for that to happen for rookies.

The questions around the off ball defense are legit. But the kid has already shown very high BBIQ, and he plays in one of the most radical and difficult to learn systems in the league - a system that isn't even working right now and not just because of Barnes. I think his off ball defense will get much, much better over the course of his career and then, with that wingspan, he will be an absolute menace defensively.

People forget he used to come off the bench in college, unlike Suggs, Cade, Mobley, etc. he didn't average 30+mpg. So yes conditioning is one area he'll improve on more than others, but I've still been pretty surprised at how well his gas tank has fared considering he went from a 6Man in college to a full time starter in the NBA.

[yoyoboy]

13 points, 9 rebounds, 4 assists, 4 blocks, 0 turnovers for Mobley in his return. It's good to have his defensive presence back.

[yoyoboy]

Suggs is rough offensively but he's a bulldog of an on-ball defender. Wagner played an all-around solid game tonight.

[DCasey91]

Mobfather is back plays out and he’s the runaway rookie of the year, All NBA defensive second team and All Star relative to his peers.

He’s been the most impactful rookie without question.

Can’t get why Cade got even a mention in the race he’s been so poor shooting wise across the aboard and has played less games.

Mobley
Gap
Barnes
Wagner
Giddey

That should be the top 5 so far.

[SlovenianDragon]

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