[Woj] Teams have described Sixers asking price for Simmons' as growing...

[sacking123]

Not trying to **** post, but one thing I'm learning from this situation is that Morey and 76ers fans are delusional. Simmons aint coming back and teams are not going to give you the type of player you want for him. Legit wasting Embiid's precious years.

Someone talked about the Hawks and other teams being desperate because they're on the playoff cusp...what are you gonna get from those teams that makes you title favorites? Young and others aren't going anywhere.

This will end with a trade package of a bunch of mediocre players and picks for Simmons sitting out for seasons. Whole thing is goofy. They tried hard as hell to trade Simmons for Harden and that fell through. Most teams move players that are disgruntled, this is simply Morey trying to flex and force a move on Simmons that will not come. He will never play for the 76ers on home court again.

The thing is that a trade with the Hawks is within the realm of possibility and the Sixers would get good players and picks but Morey is an idiot by putting a stake in the ground saying they’d only trade Simmons for a top 25 player and he’s willing to wait four years. Literally anyone look at the NBA landscape and see this was a laughable attempt at posturing and the more time moved on, the less likely the idea of getting a top 25 player was going to happen.

Morey only has a few plays here. The trade avenue is DOA. Beal, Lillard, Brown, etc... that's not happening or it would have happened already. He's not willing to take the Bogdonovic's or McCollum's of the NBA in return. So his last resort is FA. Either he has to dump the salaries of both Simmons and Harris right now or he has to hope he can swing a S&T deal with the Nets for Harden.

And if he swings and misses he is out of a job and Embiid will be asking for a trade.
Morley has screwed this situation up. I still believe he will get more than what most think, but he’s not getting a top 50 player back that’s for sure, let alone a top 25


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[Jcity08]

To be fair, that's just the Raptor fans. Largest fan base by a mile on RGM and they always pad the votes in any poll regarding a Raptor player or the team as a whole. Not even worth a grain of salt.

And it's on the Raptors board for gods sake... common man...

His troll attempt failed.

You guys are delusional, lol keep living in lala land where FVV is worth more than Simmons. Thats why Raptors fans are the laughing stock of this board. Reading the Raptors boards is pure comedy.

[Tukkerwolf]

But which top 25 player from those teams will be available in trade for Ben? There’s definitely demand for Ben, there’s no demand at Moreys asking price.

If the Sixers are able to snatch one of: Jaylen Brown, Anthony Edwards, Bradley Beal, Brandon Ingram, Dame Lillard ... that's 6 players right there who I'd consider top 25.

If you think Edwards is available you are completely delusional.
And the Wolves aren't desperate as you've claimed, it is (sadly) perceived as one of the best seasons in a decade and their record is on track to beat all the bookies' odds.

[Got Nuffin]

If i was a GM considering a trade for Ben Simmons I would legitimately be concerned about whether he even wants to play basketball all that much anymore. Of course he will suit up for 30mill a year, but does he actually give a rats anymore?

He doesn't want to shoot from any distance because he's embarrassed to and it doesn't suit his vision of himself or the game, and really it's not much fun doing something that doesn't necessarily come naturally to you. Boo hoo. He's warning the league that he's not even in shape and will take weeks or a month to even get back on the court, purposely tanking his value even more.

If i were Sacramento or Atlanta I would be terrified that this is an Andrea Bargnani type of situation where all the talent is there, but in all honesty the guy would rather be somewhere else doing other things if it wasn't for the stupid amount of money he is being offered. In that case he will never improve, more likely regress a bit, and we've probably already seen the best that he's got at 25-6 years old.

This type of behaviour goes all the way back to his junior years in Australia. Buyer beware IMO.

[Kingsway_fan]

They can ask all they want but only a fool gm would offer much... he is a cancer...

[Tomjas]

People continue to say the strangest stuff about Simmons

Can only assume that it’s because he doesn’t speak publicly so people make stuff up

[Tomjas]

They can ask all they want but only a fool gm would offer much... he is a cancer...

And yet the Sixers players say he’s not

[monopoman]

If i was a GM considering a trade for Ben Simmons I would legitimately be concerned about whether he even wants to play basketball all that much anymore. Of course he will suit up for 30mill a year, but does he actually give a rats anymore?

He doesn't want to shoot from any distance because he's embarrassed to and it doesn't suit his vision of himself or the game, and really it's not much fun doing something that doesn't necessarily come naturally to you. Boo hoo. He's warning the league that he's not even in shape and will take weeks or a month to even get back on the court, purposely tanking his value even more.

If i were Sacramento or Atlanta I would be terrified that this is an Andrea Bargnani type of situation where all the talent is there, but in all honesty the guy would rather be somewhere else doing other things if it wasn't for the stupid amount of money he is being offered. In that case he will never improve, more likely regress a bit, and we've probably already seen the best that he's got at 25-6 years old.

This type of behaviour goes all the way back to his junior years in Australia. Buyer beware IMO.

It's obvious he doesn't give a **** about the game, he has basically added almost nothing to his game since being a rookie. Most great players improve over that period of time, the only thing that might be argued he added was he has improved his defense buy by every other metric he is the same player he was as a rookie.

I have a feeling if he wasn't being paid the big bucks he would have left the game a long time ago.

[Jhawk03]

I love how detractors care about Embiid's prime while simultaneously NOT caring about what he gets in return to help him during his prime for Simmons... but then wanna turn around and care about Simmons.

This whole saga has emasculated the strongest of men, you all should be ashamed of yourselves if you believe a trade should just "happen"

[Mavrelous]

Morey has been proven right? Every single article written about a Simmons trade all say the same thing.

“Simmons is no closer to returning to the team and the team is no closer to getting a trade done.”

How is that proving Morey right?

He didn't take the lowball offers, and now better options are becoming realistic.

No, "you think" better options are becoming realistic. That's different. As a neutral fan, I have *no* idea why you think Beal (or a healthy Lillard???) would be the slightest bit realistic right now.

Neutral fan? I'm not a Philly or Simmons fan, and I'm not Australian, I'm just looking at the simple facts.
Hawks, Celtics, Wizards and Blazers are all stuck and need a major change to become relevant again, and they are all much more willing to make trades they weren't prepared to make in the offseason.

[TheLand13]

He didn't take the lowball offers, and now better options are becoming realistic.

No, "you think" better options are becoming realistic. That's different. As a neutral fan, I have *no* idea why you think Beal (or a healthy Lillard???) would be the slightest bit realistic right now.

Neutral fan? I'm not a Philly or Simmons fan, and I'm not Australian, I'm just looking at the simple facts.
Hawks, Celtics, Wizards and Blazers are all stuck and need a major change to become relevant again, and they are all much more willing to make trades they weren't prepared to make in the offseason.

That trade isn't something involving Ben Simmons, and there's no facts you can bring up to support that theory.

[Tomjas]

I love how detractors care about Embiid's prime while simultaneously NOT caring about what he gets in return to help him during his prime for Simmons... but then wanna turn around and care about Simmons.

This whole saga has emasculated the strongest of men, you all should be ashamed of yourselves if you believe a trade should just "happen"

What are you talking about?

[Mavrelous]

That trade isn't something involving Ben Simmons, and there's no facts you can bring up to support that theory.

This is asinine, Hawks, Celtics, Wizards and Blazers record is pretty much a fact, Hawks GM saying they shouldn't have brought everyone again, is a fact, Celtics locker room issues is a fact, each one of these facts makes each one of these more and more willing to trade for Simmons.

[TheLand13]

That trade isn't something involving Ben Simmons, and there's no facts you can bring up to support that theory.

This is asinine, Hawks, Celtics, Wizards and Blazers record is pretty much a fact, Hawks GM saying they shouldn't have brought everyone again, is a fact, Celtics locker room issues is a fact, each one of these facts makes each one of these more and more willing to trade for Simmons.

No, they don't. None of these point to the conclusion that they'd be willing to trade for Simmons.

I don't think any of those teams care what their record is in regards to whether or not they need a player like Simmons on the team. Fit matters, and apart from Washington, none of the other three teams would be any better bringing in Simmons for the price Philly is asking for.

How does Hawks GM saying that support the theory that they'd be willing to go all in on Simmons? The moment the 76ers included Harris in that deal, any interest they had went out the window.

Celtics locker room issue? Simmons is literally refusing to play for his team and you think Celtics would have any desire to bring something like that in to fix LOCKER ROOM issues?

Think about what you are saying. You're just hurting your argument.

[Mavrelous]

No, they don't. None of these point to the conclusion that they'd be willing to trade for Simmons.

I don't think any of those teams care what their record is in regards to whether or not they need a player like Simmons on the team. Fit matters, and apart from Washington, none of the other three teams would be any better bringing in Simmons for the price Philly is asking for.

Hawks with their horrendous perimeter defense is a bad fit?
Celtics who lack a playmaker is a bad fit?
Actually WAS is the worst fit, they have tons of forwards.

How does Hawks GM saying that support the theory that they'd be willing to go all in on Simmons? The moment the 76ers included Harris in that deal, any interest they had went out the window.

It means he's willing to make major move, and he has assets.

Celtics locker room issue? Simmons is literally refusing to play for his team and you think Celtics would have any desire to bring something like that in to fix LOCKER ROOM issues?

Think about what you are saying. You're just hurting your argument.

Simmons had a very specific problem where his coach accused him of being the reason for failure in post game press conference, it isn't a small matter.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I think too many people in here are looking at this from a perspective of what they would do if they were a GM and not what some of the GMs with losing records right now might do. I don't think Simmons value is as low as some of you think, we're not even 5 yrs removed from Kawhi seemingly having a degenerative quad injury and refusing to return to the Spurs and that still got them an all-star and young player, obviously Simmons isn't Kawhi but he's still viewed as an impact player around the league and if he were as negative an asset as some of you think so many teams wouldn't be kicking the tires right now.

A month from now some of these GMs will be on the hot seat and all it takes is one of them to panic.

[TheLand13]

Hawks with their horrendous perimeter defense is a bad fit?
Celtics who lack a playmaker is a bad fit?
Actually WAS is the worst fit, they have tons of forwards.

You don't trade for someone who has a 177 million dollar contract just to get great perimeter defense.
You don't trade for someone who has a 177 million dollar contract just to get a playmaker.

Washington is the best possible fit because that's the only place where you could get Simmons there and he'd be able to do what he did in Philly. He could run the offense, play all team defense and be a legitimate match up problem for opposing teams due to the fact that he's a 6'7 PG. You put him on Atlanta, he's not running the offense. And there are no realistic trade options for Boston so that isn't happening.

Again, use your brain.

It means he's willing to make major move, and he has assets.

He WOUILD HAVE by now. It doesn't matter if he has the assets or not. Philly is asking for more now than before when the Hawks were in the "maybe" phase of the talks. They've made it clear they are no longer interested after Philly wanted to throw in Harris. The Hawks aren't interested. I don't know what part of that is so hard for you to understand.

Simmons had a very specific problem where his coach accused him of being the reason for failure in post game press conference, it isn't a small matter.

It's a matter that a regular NBA player would have gotten over by now, because this isn't the first time we've seen a coach publicly blame a player for their failures. But it IS the first time we've seen a player react in this matter.

The fact of the matter is, Simmons has proven he is petty enough to sit out an entire season. The fact that it has gone on for this long has drastically hurt his trade value, not increase it. I want to know what kind of drugs you have to make you come to this conclusion, because that sounds like some really good **** you got there.

I think too many people in here are looking at this from a perspective of what they would do if they were a GM and not what some of the GMs with losing records right now might do. I don't think Simmons value is as low as some of you think, we're not even 5 yrs removed from Kawhi seemingly having a degenerative quad injury and refusing to return to the Spurs and that still got them an all-star and young player, obviously Simmons isn't Kawhi but he's still viewed as an impact player around the league and if he were as negative an asset as some of you think so many teams wouldn't be kicking the tires right now.

A month from now some of these GMs will be on the hot seat and all it takes is one of them to panic.

Kawhi Leonard was a finals MVP already at that point and was third in MVP voting, and led his team to a 67 win season. Ben Simmons on the other hand wasn't even the best player on his team.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Kawhi Leonard was a finals MVP already at that point and was third in MVP voting, and led his team to a 67 win season. Ben Simmons on the other hand wasn't even the best player on his team.

Kawhi played 9 games and reportedly had a degenerative quad and showed a side of himself the public hadn't seen by refusing to play or use the Spurs team doctor. I literally said Ben isn't Kawhi, but he's still viewed as an impact player, hence all these teams interested in trading for him. The price will go up the closer we get to the deadline and someone who could lose their job may pull the trigger on a trade that blows away what some of you are expecting.

[Mavrelous]

Again, use your brain.
I want to know what kind of drugs you have to make you come to this conclusion, because that sounds like some really good **** you got there.

Good conversation, we should try it again some other time.

[TheLand13]

Kawhi Leonard was a finals MVP already at that point and was third in MVP voting, and led his team to a 67 win season. Ben Simmons on the other hand wasn't even the best player on his team.

Kawhi played 9 games and reportedly had a degenerative quad and showed a side of himself the public hadn't seen by refusing to play or use the Spurs team doctor. I literally said Ben isn't Kawhi, but he's still viewed as an impact player, hence all these teams interested in trading for him. The price will go up the closer we get to the deadline and someone who could lose their job may pull the trigger on a trade that blows away what some of you are expecting.

Yeah, but not at the price that the Spurs got when they traded away Kawhi. 76ers want more than what the Spurs got for Kawhi **** Leonard. They aren't getting that.