2021-22 NBA Rookie Thread (part 5)

[zeebneeb]

Jalen green might be the worst rookie I have ever seen

Hes been awful all season, but his last 3 games he's 6-40 from the field, 2-17 from 3, 17 total points. Considering that he is useless in every area of basketball he might be one of the worst players in the league.

Can any Rocket fans give any insight into Green? Of all the games I watch, I have only seen a handful of Rockets games this year, and they were early.

[zshawn10]

Jalen green might be the worst rookie I have ever seen

Hes been awful all season, but his last 3 games he's 6-40 from the field, 2-17 from 3, 17 total points. Considering that he is useless in every area of basketball he might be one of the worst players in the league.

Can any Rocket fans give any insight into Green? Of all the games I watch, I have only seen a handful of Rockets games this year, and they were early.

Well his best attribute is scoring and he can’t do that. It doesn’t help you have a lot of inexperienced players playing around you but his mechanics look off, he gets blocked or stolen every time he goes to the rim, he doesn’t rebound much nor dish out assists. His defense has improved but still terrible. He is just too skinny

[zshawn10]

Green is not very good. In fact he may be the worst of the 4 rookies Houston have on their roster.

That’s a bold yet maybe true statement considering our lady picked rookie is in the G league

[dc]

Green is just a lot more raw than originally thought. I think his talent warranted the hype, but he needs work. 2 years ago, most everyone was rating him higher as a prospect than Anthony Edwards, but turns out Edwards was a lot more ready made.

If I was Houston, I'd ship/dump Porter out of town ASAP and properly develop Green.

[God Squad]

Cade with probably the most impressive game by a rookie tonight with 34/8/8. Bummer another big night from Jokic spoils it.

Devils Advocate : Didn't Franz score 38 on way better efficiency lol? Probably the most complete game though.

Edit: Yeah 38 pts on 12-20 shooting. Also added 7reb 3 assists.

[God Squad]

Jalen green might be the worst rookie I have ever seen

He's been doo doo all year tbh. Regardless of his 20pt explosions he'll have every 10+ games. He just adds so little to the court other than trying to score.

[MrBigShot]

Cade with probably the most impressive game by a rookie tonight with 34/8/8. Bummer another big night from Jokic spoils it.

Devils Advocate : Didn't Franz score 38 on way better efficiency lol? So No, not most impressive game by a rookie.

Edit: Yeah 38 pts on 12-20 shooting. Also added 7reb 3 assists.

In a 17 point blowout instead of a game that went down to the wire, with less assists, and without the 4 blocks and 2 steals. Doing what Cade did tonight with all of the responsibility of running the team is easily impressive imo. He also got whacked bare minimum 2-3x tonight and the can't get a call to save his life, should've easily had 40 tonight.

[HotelVitale]

Cade with probably the most impressive game by a rookie tonight with 34/8/8. Bummer another big night from Jokic spoils it.

Devils Advocate : Didn't Franz score 38 on way better efficiency lol? Probably the most complete game though.

Edit: Yeah 38 pts on 12-20 shooting. Also added 7reb 3 assists.

Satan's lawyer rebuts that 38/8/8 with 2 steals and 4 blocks sounds more impressive than 38/7/3 on slightly better efficiency.

[God Squad]

Cade with probably the most impressive game by a rookie tonight with 34/8/8. Bummer another big night from Jokic spoils it.

Devils Advocate : Didn't Franz score 38 on way better efficiency lol? Probably the most complete game though.

Edit: Yeah 38 pts on 12-20 shooting. Also added 7reb 3 assists.

Satan's lawyer rebuts that 38/8/8 with 2 steals and 4 blocks sounds more impressive than 38/7/3 on slightly better efficiency.

Not slightly. But yeah I said Cade had the more complete game.

[SOUL]

Cade with probably the most impressive game by a rookie tonight with 34/8/8. Bummer another big night from Jokic spoils it.

Devils Advocate : Didn't Franz score 38 on way better efficiency lol? So No, not most impressive game by a rookie.

Edit: Yeah 38 pts on 12-20 shooting. Also added 7reb 3 assists.

In a 17 point blowout instead of a game that went down to the wire, with less assists, and without the 4 blocks and 2 steals. Doing what Cade did tonight with all of the responsibility of running the team is easily impressive imo. He also got whacked bare minimum 2-3x tonight and the can't get a call to save his life, should've easily had 40 tonight.

To be fair to Franz, he was +4 in 38 minutes in a game they lost by 17 so he was the only one keeping them in the game lol. That Cade game is just as/if not more impressive though

[tmorgan]

A game like tonight makes Cade stand out, sure. People were doubting him, he has turnover/lazy pass issues, he isn’t shooting particularly well for the season, etc.

The reason he was the first pick, though, is the package of skills he has. He isn’t the best defender, passer, shooter, post player, rebounder, or athlete from the draft class. In some of those categories, he isn’t even top ten.

But he can do literally everything reasonably well. The Pistons roster is pretty sketchy, lacking a big man lob threat, short on shooters, and really weak on other creators besides Cade. We have some useful playoff pieces to trade in Grant and Olynyk, but both have missed a lot of games. It’s a poor team, obviously, but Cade stands out.

I don’t know what his ceiling is. Truly. There aren’t that many 6’7” guys with average athleticism that have his feel for the game. Luka is really the only one right now,but even that comp is off, because Doncic has a better handle and is beefier, but Cade is longer. Could Cade get that good? Sounds crazy, but the skill set and intangibles are definitely there.

One thing I’m sure of… his efficiency will improve with experience and better teammates. I hope that’s in Detroit.

[The Moose]

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[basketballRob]

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Kuminga probably would've been the number 1 overall pick in any normal draft. If he waited until this season, he'd be the clear first pick.

[NYPiston]

Loving the enthusiasm but Mobley's still in the lead for RoY, there's still a considerable gap in defense and efficiency. Granted, Cade's job is a lot harder running a team bereft of talent. I can see him winning it if he has a really strong post all star break.

That should be taken into account. Mobley is the lead dog right now because of consistency right from the start but he's also in a much better position to succeed right off the bat and he's not tasked to carry a big load on that team like a guard would be.

With that said, I think these two are separating themselves a bit from the pack right now. Cade is getting better and better, needs to cut down on the turnovers though and needs to get into an aggressive mindset more often because when he does, he's really tough to stop.

[JackTalkThai]

The mental endurance that a lead guard like Cade must have in a season as physically grueling as the NBA’s is something that can only be acquired in a trial by fire. You can tell he’s getting there and you can also tell that he knows he’s not there yet and has much to learn. Physically he’s just not in shape enough to be “the guy” every night. But the nights when he’s locked in, like last night, you can see that he has truly elite upside and best player in the league “potential”.

[JackTalkThai]

“Cade Cunningham showed exactly why I referred to him as the most “complete” prospect I ever evaluated with his play vs Denver. As polished of a rookie as I can remember. Can make pull up 3s, get downhill, play PnR, catch + shoot, post up, pass, defend, rebound. Almost no holes”

Mike Schmitz (ESPN Draft and DraftExpress Analyst)

[HotelVitale]

Devils Advocate : Didn't Franz score 38 on way better efficiency lol? Probably the most complete game though.
Edit: Yeah 38 pts on 12-20 shooting. Also added 7reb 3 assists.

Satan's lawyer rebuts that 38/8/8 with 2 steals and 4 blocks sounds more impressive than 38/7/3 on slightly better efficiency.

Not slightly. But yeah I said Cade had the more complete game.

objects that 'probably the most complete' sounds like you're trying to avoid saying 'more impressive.'

[yoyoboy]

Loving the enthusiasm but Mobley's still in the lead for RoY, there's still a considerable gap in defense and efficiency. Granted, Cade's job is a lot harder running a team bereft of talent. I can see him winning it if he has a really strong post all star break.

That should be taken into account. Mobley is the lead dog right now because of consistency right from the start but he's also in a much better position to succeed right off the bat and he's not tasked to carry a big load on that team like a guard would be.

With that said, I think these two are separating themselves a bit from the pack right now. Cade is getting better and better, needs to cut down on the turnovers though and needs to get into an aggressive mindset more often because when he does, he's really tough to stop.

Detroit was projected to win 24.5 games before the season. Cleveland was projected to win 26.5 games. The idea that the Cavs are in such a great position for Mobley to succeed is one people are only now saying after the fact. Mobley’s impact from the jump is the biggest reason why the Cavs are in such a great position now compared to last year. Garland was here last season. Allen was here. Love was here. Bickerstaff was here. Rubio made a big impact, but the team is still winning games without him. Of course Garland and Allen improved, but Mobley deserves credit for helping put them in positions to do so, just like they deserve credit for helping Mobley. It’s not a coincidence that Allen after four years of middling defensive impact is only now playing like an All-Defensive team guy.

I also don’t know if I agree with the idea that it’s inherently more impressive to be the primary creator on the worst team in the league (2nd worst by record, worst by SRS) than to be the defensive anchor and second leading shot attempter on a top 10 team in the league (4th best by SRS, 9th best by record). Mobley is 3rd on the team in total touches and time of possession this season. So while he’s definitely not carrying the offensive load Cade is, he’s far from an afterthought, and unlike Cade, he’s doing it in wins instead of blowout losses. And I would argue the defensive responsibility Mobley has more than edges the gap that Cade has in terms of offensive responsibility.

[JackTalkThai]

Amongst rookies, Cunningham is…

1st PPG
2nd APG
2nd SPG
6th RPG

[bkseven]

Cade with probably the most impressive game by a rookie tonight with 34/8/8. Bummer another big night from Jokic spoils it.

Devils Advocate : Didn't Franz score 38 on way better efficiency lol? So No, not most impressive game by a rookie.

Edit: Yeah 38 pts on 12-20 shooting. Also added 7reb 3 assists.

In a 17 point blowout instead of a game that went down to the wire, with less assists, and without the 4 blocks and 2 steals. Doing what Cade did tonight with all of the responsibility of running the team is easily impressive imo. He also got whacked bare minimum 2-3x tonight and the can't get a call to save his life, should've easily had 40 tonight.

He had to have been joking