Jokic 49/14/10 as DEN beats LAC

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Is Jokic the best player in the NBA?

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Re: Jokic 49/14/10 as DEN beats LAC 

Post#141 » by Hobo4President » Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:19 pm

Roscoe Sheed wrote:It's is astounding that Jokic hasn't received more criticism for his terrible temper.

Markieff Morris still hasn't played a game since his cowardly push in the back has he? More punishment was warranted for such unsportsmanlike and boorish behavior.

His reputation should be more tarnished than it is.


Morris deserved it
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Re: Jokic 49/14/10 as DEN beats LAC 

Post#142 » by eyeatoma » Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:24 pm

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eyeatoma wrote:You guys are hilarious. Embiid did this in 27 minutes. The fastest 50 points of all time. Jokic was spectacular but he needed overtime to do it.



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It doesn't matter , it was the great night for Jokic and he was clutch too , Embiid did it against the team who is tanking hard right now, it was the great performance but against the team who is in the full tanking mode.



It does matter, because everyone on here has been insufferable saying basically, "Haaa" Jokic is better, his statline looks way more well rounded.

Well, he needed more than a whole extra quarter to do it. LMAO, that's a pretty big technicality.

Anything for people on here to prop up their golden boy though I suppose.
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Re: Jokic 49/14/10 as DEN beats LAC 

Post#143 » by eyeatoma » Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:26 pm

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bebopdeluxe wrote:Jokic played FORTY ONE MINUTES

Embiid played TWENTY SEVEN MINUTES.

Again, Embiid got 50 and 12 (and 3 blocks) in TWENTY SEVEN MINUTES.

Hell, If Embiid played 41 minutes last night he would have probably put up 70 and 20 the way he was rolling...and that is NOT hyperbole.

he played the magic...
Nuggets played a playoff team :crazy: :lol:


The clippers are not a good team.
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Re: Jokic 49/14/10 as DEN beats LAC 

Post#144 » by Raps in 4 » Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:27 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
Mickey8 wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:You guys are hilarious. Embiid did this in 27 minutes. The fastest 50 points of all time. Jokic was spectacular but he needed overtime to do it.



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It doesn't matter , it was the great night for Jokic and he was clutch too , Embiid did it against the team who is tanking hard right now, it was the great performance but against the team who is in the full tanking mode.



It does matter, because everyone on here has been insufferable saying basically, "Haaa" Jokic is better, his statline looks way more well rounded.

Well, he needed more than a whole extra quarter to do it. LMAO, that's a pretty big technicality.

Anything for people on here to prop up their golden boy though I suppose.


Jokic is having the better season by a wide margin, and it isn't because of one game.
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Re: Jokic 49/14/10 as DEN beats LAC 

Post#145 » by eyeatoma » Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:28 pm

Cubbies2120 wrote:I'm imagining the Embiid fans last night getting all excited about the 50 point game (which was incredible, don't get me wrong, best scoring outburst this year from any player), but then having to watch Jokic put up an even more impressive performance, on national television.

You want to talk about extrapolating "if he played more he'd have 70 pts", well, Jokic dropped 11/5 and a gamewinning assist in a 5 minute overtime session, after playing 36 minutes in a closely contested match. He woulda dropped 60/30/20 if he was fresh, amirite?! :lol:



Jokic was amazing. Doing it in an extra quarter compared to Embiid?

Not so much.
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Re: Jokic 49/14/10 as DEN beats LAC 

Post#146 » by eyeatoma » Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:29 pm

Cubbies2120 wrote:
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Cubbies2120 wrote:I'm imagining the Embiid fans last night getting all excited about the 50 point game (which was incredible, don't get me wrong, best scoring outburst this year from any player), but then having to watch Jokic put up an even more impressive performance, on national television.

You want to talk about extrapolating "if he played more he'd have 70 pts", well, Jokic dropped 11/5 and a gamewinning assist in a 5 minute overtime session, after playing 36 minutes in a closely contested match. He woulda dropped 60/30/20 if he was fresh, amirite?! :lol:

Impressive for sure. However, the Nuggets were playing the Clippers B team and could barely beat them.

Although Orlando is certainly no league juggernaut either


That Clippers B-team also beat the Eastern Conference favorites just a couple weeks ago (with KD/Harden).


That says more about the Nets as favorites, than how good the clippers are lol. You seriously argue like a 12 year old.
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Re: Jokic 49/14/10 as DEN beats LAC 

Post#147 » by eyeatoma » Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:30 pm

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eyeatoma wrote:
Mickey8 wrote:It doesn't matter , it was the great night for Jokic and he was clutch too , Embiid did it against the team who is tanking hard right now, it was the great performance but against the team who is in the full tanking mode.



It does matter, because everyone on here has been insufferable saying basically, "Haaa" Jokic is better, his statline looks way more well rounded.

Well, he needed more than a whole extra quarter to do it. LMAO, that's a pretty big technicality.

Anything for people on here to prop up their golden boy though I suppose.


Jokic is having the better season by a wide margin, and it isn't because of one game.


Oh boy...Good job actually addressing what I said. The moment people see that there is something valid said against Jokic, they change the subject back to the original narrative, which has been argued to death.
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Re: Jokic 49/14/10 as DEN beats LAC 

Post#148 » by Cubbies2120 » Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:15 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
Cubbies2120 wrote:
Roscoe Sheed wrote:Impressive for sure. However, the Nuggets were playing the Clippers B team and could barely beat them.

Although Orlando is certainly no league juggernaut either


That Clippers B-team also beat the Eastern Conference favorites just a couple weeks ago (with KD/Harden).


That says more about the Nets as favorites, than how good the clippers are lol. You seriously argue like a 12 year old.


I'm saying every team has tough games against teams that are undermanned. I remember the Spurs in 2013 or 2014 sending the bench to Miami and almost pulling out the win, in a national TV game that they were fined for.

Hell, just this year, the Hawks D-team beat Embiid and the Sixers...no Young/Capela/Gallinari/Hunter. We can play this game all day...
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Re: Jokic 49/14/10 as DEN beats LAC 

Post#149 » by Cubbies2120 » Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:19 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
Cubbies2120 wrote:I'm imagining the Embiid fans last night getting all excited about the 50 point game (which was incredible, don't get me wrong, best scoring outburst this year from any player), but then having to watch Jokic put up an even more impressive performance, on national television.

You want to talk about extrapolating "if he played more he'd have 70 pts", well, Jokic dropped 11/5 and a gamewinning assist in a 5 minute overtime session, after playing 36 minutes in a closely contested match. He woulda dropped 60/30/20 if he was fresh, amirite?! :lol:



Jokic was amazing. Doing it in an extra quarter compared to Embiid?

Not so much.


We'll have to agree to disagree. I think putting up 49 point triple double (including 11/5 and gamewinning assist, probably the assist of the year so far) in a clutch game > putting up 50/12 in a blowout against the absolute worst team in the NBA (by a wide margin, they're 3 games behind the 2nd worst team) :lol:
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Re: Jokic 49/14/10 as DEN beats LAC 

Post#150 » by Madhouse » Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:21 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:

It does matter, because everyone on here has been insufferable saying basically, "Haaa" Jokic is better, his statline looks way more well rounded.

Well, he needed more than a whole extra quarter to do it. LMAO, that's a pretty big technicality.

Anything for people on here to prop up their golden boy though I suppose.


Jokic is having the better season by a wide margin, and it isn't because of one game.


Oh boy...Good job actually addressing what I said. The moment people see that there is something valid said against Jokic, they change the subject back to the original narrative, which has been argued to death.


There is really nothing been said that is valid against Jokic, lol.
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Re: Jokic 49/14/10 as DEN beats LAC 

Post#151 » by Shock Defeat » Thu Jan 20, 2022 10:50 pm

ty 4191 wrote:
KGtabake wrote:Calling him the best big since Kareem is another thing and it's pretty immature.


Immature?

Who's been better since Kareem as a center than Jokic? Who's been more skilled, all around? Who's been more statistically valuable at his best?

Hakeem is more skilled than Jokic if you count defense. Hakeem's defensive impact alone is worth much more than all those assists that Jokic gets.
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Re: Jokic 49/14/10 as DEN beats LAC 

Post#152 » by Roscoe Sheed » Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:00 pm

Hobo4President wrote:
Roscoe Sheed wrote:It's is astounding that Jokic hasn't received more criticism for his terrible temper.

Markieff Morris still hasn't played a game since his cowardly push in the back has he? More punishment was warranted for such unsportsmanlike and boorish behavior.

His reputation should be more tarnished than it is.


Morris deserved it

Nobody ever deserves to be pushed in the back. You want to fight him- fine. Do it face to face like a grown man, not some petulant child.

I would not be surprised at all if one of the Morris twins starts a fight with him in the future and they would be totally justified in doing so. He deserved at least a 5 game suspension for that- maybe even 10 considering how badly he injured Markieff
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Re: Jokic 49/14/10 as DEN beats LAC 

Post#153 » by Statlanta » Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:00 pm

The Greatest of All Time debate in basketball is essentially who has the greatest basketball resume of the player who has the best highlights instead of who is the best player
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Re: Jokic 49/14/10 as DEN beats LAC 

Post#154 » by Ballerhogger » Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:24 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
Ballerhogger wrote:
bebopdeluxe wrote:Jokic played FORTY ONE MINUTES

Embiid played TWENTY SEVEN MINUTES.

Again, Embiid got 50 and 12 (and 3 blocks) in TWENTY SEVEN MINUTES.

Hell, If Embiid played 41 minutes last night he would have probably put up 70 and 20 the way he was rolling...and that is NOT hyperbole.

he played the magic...
Nuggets played a playoff team :crazy: :lol:


The clippers are not a good team.

But they 2x better than the magic … literally by record
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Re: Jokic 49/14/10 as DEN beats LAC 

Post#155 » by ty 4191 » Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:31 pm

Shock Defeat wrote:Hakeem is more skilled than Jokic if you count defense. Hakeem's defensive impact alone is worth much more than all those assists that Jokic gets.


If that were true, it would show up in all the advanced metrics. And, it doesn't.

Jokic 2.0 (last year/this year) comes out as more valuable the past two years than Hakeem ever was.

Jokic leads all players since the beginning of last season in:
-PER
-WS
-WS/48
-VORP
-BPM

Hakeem never led the NBA even once in WS/WS/48, he never lead in PER, never led in BPM, never lead in VORP.
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Re: Jokic 49/14/10 as DEN beats LAC 

Post#156 » by eyeatoma » Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:32 pm

Ballerhogger wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
Ballerhogger wrote:he played the magic...
Nuggets played a playoff team :crazy: :lol:


The clippers are not a good team.

But they 2x better than the magic … literally by record


Embiid had the quickest 50 points of all time. Against any team thats incredibly impressive. Jokic also had an insane game, but it took him more than 1 more quarter to do it. For people to use this as a "hold my beer" moment, is funny given how much longer it took him to earn his stats.
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Re: Jokic 49/14/10 as DEN beats LAC 

Post#157 » by BelgradeNugget » Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:35 pm

Roscoe Sheed wrote:
Hobo4President wrote:
Roscoe Sheed wrote:It's is astounding that Jokic hasn't received more criticism for his terrible temper.

Markieff Morris still hasn't played a game since his cowardly push in the back has he? More punishment was warranted for such unsportsmanlike and boorish behavior.

His reputation should be more tarnished than it is.


Morris deserved it

Nobody ever deserves to be pushed in the back. You want to fight him- fine. Do it face to face like a grown man, not some petulant child.

I would not be surprised at all if one of the Morris twins starts a fight with him in the future and they would be totally justified in doing so. He deserved at least a 5 game suspension for that- maybe even 10 considering how badly he injured Markieff

Morris wouldn't start a fight because he is a bitch who only knows how to cheap shot people and pretend like nothing has happened. I think it saved him because if he was man enough to look Jokic in the face, he would have been knocked out, it would have been much worst.
BTW 1 game suspension was clear message from the league to all the Morris's in the league. You are nobody, he is MVP, don't do this ever again, because we don't need you, we need him. And I think Silver had a little chat with Riley telling him to shut Spo and behave nice, as we have seen in Den-Heat game in Miami
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Re: Jokic 49/14/10 as DEN beats LAC 

Post#158 » by Hobo4President » Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:39 pm

Roscoe Sheed wrote:
Hobo4President wrote:
Roscoe Sheed wrote:It's is astounding that Jokic hasn't received more criticism for his terrible temper.

Markieff Morris still hasn't played a game since his cowardly push in the back has he? More punishment was warranted for such unsportsmanlike and boorish behavior.

His reputation should be more tarnished than it is.


Morris deserved it

Nobody ever deserves to be pushed in the back. You want to fight him- fine. Do it face to face like a grown man, not some petulant child.

I would not be surprised at all if one of the Morris twins starts a fight with him in the future and they would be totally justified in doing so. He deserved at least a 5 game suspension for that- maybe even 10 considering how badly he injured Markieff


Don't cheap shot someone and turn your back then
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Re: Jokic 49/14/10 as DEN beats LAC 

Post#159 » by HardenandWilt » Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:40 pm

jokic should be mvp, hope the league media members dont rob him like they did harden in 2019.,. but its possible, im still seeing curry up there in the latest mvp odds.. wtf
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Re: Jokic 49/14/10 as DEN beats LAC 

Post#160 » by Shock Defeat » Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:41 pm

ty 4191 wrote:
Shock Defeat wrote:Hakeem is more skilled than Jokic if you count defense. Hakeem's defensive impact alone is worth much more than all those assists that Jokic gets.


If that were true, it would show up in all the advanced metrics. And, it doesn't.

Jokic 2.0 (last year/this year) comes out as more valuable the past two years than Hakeem ever was.

Jokic leads all players since the beginning of last season in:
-PER
-WS
-WS/48
-VORP
-BPM

Hakeem never led the NBA even once in WS/WS/48, he never lead in PER, never led in BPM, never lead in VORP.

David Robinson led the league in PER multiple years but got owned by Hakeem in the Playoffs. That's why even though Robinson had better stats, it's universally agreed that Hakeem was the better player.

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