Post-Mortem: 2021-22 Toronto Raptors
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I get that the "treadmill" thing is coming from people who just like annoying Raps fans, but I don't know how a team that has the Rookie of the Year is on a treadmill.
Gonna miss KP but he's no Georges Niang.
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nikster wrote:Arsenal wrote:Klaw22 wrote:
bad take. you know the hawks and knicks benefitted the most that the raptors sucked last year in Tampa, when every other team played in front of their fanbases. raptors decided at asb to tank the last half and get a pick, cause the situation was bad anyways in Tampa, looking from outside it was more of an vacation year for them after 6 years of contending and a championship run plus the defending run. raptors are back in the mix, could be a HCA team in 1-2 years, when good decisions will be made by Masai.
bitter sixer lol
You talk about leaving Tampa like it’s a good thing. Ironically you’d have far more luck acquiring a superstar there as opposed to frigid toronto.
Treadmill team is the worst place to be.
A tread mill team, you mean a team that hasn't gotten out of the 2nd round with their core for 5 straight years, will be overpaying $90 million dollars for 2 players on the wrong side of 30 after this season, only have one young player on the roster worth keeping and that owns only one first round pick the next 3 years?
leave the 76ers fans alone lol. they already have had 20 years of treadmilling.

raf1995 wrote:I just don’t think he has that kind of potential. I think we will regret not trading him for a haul in a few years when he’s a mid-tier starter with nice playmaking and defense and a shaky jumper.
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bisme37 wrote:I get that the "treadmill" thing is coming from people who just like annoying Raps fans, but I don't know how a team that has the Rookie of the Year is on a treadmill.
Maybe just warning us? Michael Carter Williams, Ben Simmons. Don't get your hopes up

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76ciology wrote:
Imagine.
Siakam’s FTA increased 2x and is more than what Embiid was averaging.
Total difference of +-12 FTAs (-6 for sixers and +6 for raps)
This seems silly to argue about.
The fact is in that game Siakam flat out outplayed anyone on the 76ers.
He went 10/19 with 8 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 steal and 2 blocks with a +15 on the night. Take away 6 Fts and we still win because he was still that good.
Harden scoring was very FT reliant that night and Embiid still have his usual FTs.
Maxey didn't have a scoring explosion and the rest of the cast were kept in check.
The fact is Siakam flat out was the best player that night and willed the Raptors to a victory.
Also complaining about FTs is a bit silly considering the Raptors only had a +10 advantage.
Game 1: 76ers +11 FT advantage
Game 2: 76ers +18 FT advantage
Game 3: Raptors +2 FT Advantage
Game 4: 76ers +10 FT advantage
Game 5: 76ers +7 FT advantage (76ers home court)
Game 6: Raptors +2 FT advantage
In total: 76ers +32 FT advantage
FTs are not the reason why the Raptors lost this series, it was shooting mainly, but it's comical that your pointing out one game when you have the most notorious FT hunter in James Harden.
The fact is, the 76ers simply couldn't close the deal simply because Maxey's scoring was kept in check that game and Harden didn't step up enough. Embiid was fine but Siakam was easily having the best night in more ways than just free throws.
In game 5 you can't blame your loss on the Refs.

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bisme37 wrote:I get that the "treadmill" thing is coming from people who just like annoying Raps fans, but I don't know how a team that has the Rookie of the Year is on a treadmill.
Michael Carter-Williams was the rookie of the year. Malcolm Brodgon was the rookie of the year.
It's obvious that Scottie Barnes, just like both of them, will NEVER be a superstar.
And of course, there's no one else on their roster with superstar upside either.
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bisme37 wrote:I get that the "treadmill" thing is coming from people who just like annoying Raps fans, but I don't know how a team that has the Rookie of the Year is on a treadmill.
Just because you won ROTY doesn’t meant you’re going to turn out great. Now saying that I do believe Barnes will turn out great, but using ROTY shouldn’t be used as a definite indicator.
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Isn’t having ROTY a pretty good indicator the rest of the team isn’t much to write home about?
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Poor Philly fans. In here trolling because they are upset about a fluke injury. It would sting Raptors fans a bit harder if you guys had got out the second round in the last 20 years. You guys have more scandals than playoff victories. Save yourselves and go troll the Pacers or a team you can credibly flex on.
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lmao, the Sixers won and their fans are still in this thread being salty.
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Dick Tate wrote:Isn’t having ROTY a pretty good indicator the rest of the team isn’t much to write home about?
I'd say having a ROTY in a pretty strong draft class and who is typically the 4th or 5th option on the floor on a playoff team is a pretty good indicator that he's got a lot of promise..
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bisme37 wrote:I get that the "treadmill" thing is coming from people who just like annoying Raps fans, but I don't know how a team that has the Rookie of the Year is on a treadmill.
Its a term thats lost all meaning, imo. The Celtics were being called a treadmill team 4 months ago, and now they might be title favs.
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Arsenal wrote:bisme37 wrote:I get that the "treadmill" thing is coming from people who just like annoying Raps fans, but I don't know how a team that has the Rookie of the Year is on a treadmill.
Michael Carter-Williams was the rookie of the year. Malcolm Brodgon was the rookie of the year.
It's obvious that Scottie Barnes, just like both of them, will NEVER be a superstar.
And of course, there's no one else on their roster with superstar upside either.
Your right it's been one of the worst draft classes in a while. And we suck at developing players and drafting players late in the first round or second round. Even our undrafted signings never work out. Hopefully one day we can trust the process.
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Arsenal wrote:Treadmill team stuck in no man’s land like Shaq and Chuck said.
No superstars now, none on the horizon. Likely to fall backwards next season ala Hawks and Knicks this year.
Superstars don’t want to come due to extortionate taxes, rabid fans that cheer injuries, and frigid arctic weather.
POBO and coach both rumored to have their bags packed seeking greener pastures.
Overall it’s not looking good…
Hopefully, when our coach and POBO leave we can sign someone with championship experience like Doc and Morey. Sucks we have such a **** front office and coach. They have no clue how to acquire superstars or even win in the playoffs.
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Look at this treadmill team. Won a championship 3 years ago and is consistently great all while without having to tank for multiple year like others.
3rd most reg seasons wins last 5 years
4th most playoff wins last 5 years
4th best winning% in reg season last 10 years
6th most playoff wins last 10 years.
And have 3 starters under age 25
And only 1 of 9 rotational players over age 30
And have the ROY winner this year
And has an All Star this year
And should have an All NBAer this year
If this is a bad treadmill, I don't wanna get off!
3rd most reg seasons wins last 5 years
4th most playoff wins last 5 years
4th best winning% in reg season last 10 years
6th most playoff wins last 10 years.
And have 3 starters under age 25
And only 1 of 9 rotational players over age 30
And have the ROY winner this year
And has an All Star this year
And should have an All NBAer this year
If this is a bad treadmill, I don't wanna get off!
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OakleyDokely wrote:Arsenal wrote:Treadmill team stuck in no man’s land like Shaq and Chuck said.
No superstars now, none on the horizon. Likely to fall backwards next season ala Hawks and Knicks this year.
Superstars don’t want to come due to extortionate taxes, rabid fans that cheer injuries, and frigid arctic weather.
POBO and coach both rumored to have their bags packed seeking greener pastures.
Overall it’s not looking good…
If only the Raps had the ROY in one of the strongest drafts...
You know, I always go to Philly for the weather. Just beautiful during the basketball season.
Yea Philly is an amazing city. Great weather, great people who always cheer on their team and players no matter what the score is.
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scottie may never be a superstar no one knows, but comparing him to carter williams and brogdon... lol stop it
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Arsenal wrote:bisme37 wrote:I get that the "treadmill" thing is coming from people who just like annoying Raps fans, but I don't know how a team that has the Rookie of the Year is on a treadmill.
Michael Carter-Williams was the rookie of the year. Malcolm Brodgon was the rookie of the year.
It's obvious that Scottie Barnes, just like both of them, will NEVER be a superstar.
And of course, there's no one else on their roster with superstar upside either.
Based on what? You just went on wikipedia and looked at some of the more unimpressive ROTY. Did you miss Tyreke Evans?
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tdotrep2 wrote:scottie may never be a superstar no one knows, but comparing him to carter williams and brogdon... lol stop it
Childs wrote:Arsenal wrote:bisme37 wrote:I get that the "treadmill" thing is coming from people who just like annoying Raps fans, but I don't know how a team that has the Rookie of the Year is on a treadmill.
Michael Carter-Williams was the rookie of the year. Malcolm Brodgon was the rookie of the year.
It's obvious that Scottie Barnes, just like both of them, will NEVER be a superstar.
And of course, there's no one else on their roster with superstar upside either.
Based on what? You just went on wikipedia and looked at some of the more unimpressive ROTY. Did you miss Tyreke Evans?
He's right though, this has to be one of the worst draft classes we had in recent times.
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I think Philly fans are less informed than Raptor fans used to be 15-20 years ago. It’s pretty impressive. Here, Twitter, Reddit- what a cesspool of ignorance. 8 more sleeps until “Philly woulda won it all but for Toronto,” just like in 2019. Maybe the basketball gods hate you and your players because of your collective assault on the senses and you just don’t deserve good things.
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Rising team. 20 year old ROTY, Trent Jr, OG, Precious plus two all-stars in Pascal and Fred. Likely a 50+ win team next year.