Jokic is 3rd this season in wins among MVP candidates

[BelgradeNugget]

There was a lot of discussion on RG about winning. Which player won more games? So I decided to look for it on nba.com. I used two criteria. 1st is ppg>22 to single out players who are generally considered top of the league. The other criteria is a little harder to understand for some people. A little bit advanced. It says "for player X to be rewarded with winning game, he must first participate in the game". Sorry if this is a little hard for some to understand. Here is the list of players and wins by their teams in games they played.

1. Devin Booker 56
2. Jayson Tatum 49
3. Nikola Jokic 46
4. Giannis Antetokounmpo 45
5. Joel Embiid 45
6. Stephen Curry 45
7. Karl-Anthony Towns 44
8. Luka Doncic 44
9. DeMar DeRozan 43
10. Jaylen Brown 43

Discuss

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional/?sort=W&dir=-1&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&CF=PTS*GE*22

That is **** hilarious. Jokic for the win. >Embiid >Curry >AlphabetMan

Of course Booker and Tatum are absolute tops haha.

The most amazing thing about this tread is that it says Jokic is 3rd. And you're one of few (or maybe 1st) to even mention Booker and Tatum. What we see here again is a bunch of Embiid fans arguing that 5th is better than 3rd

[Swish1906]

There was a lot of discussion on RG about winning. Which player won more games? So I decided to look for it on nba.com. I used two criteria. 1st is ppg>22 to single out players who are generally considered top of the league. The other criteria is a little harder to understand for some people. A little bit advanced. It says "for player X to be rewarded with winning game, he must first participate in the game". Sorry if this is a little hard for some to understand. Here is the list of players and wins by their teams in games they played.

1. Devin Booker 56
2. Jayson Tatum 49
3. Nikola Jokic 46
4. Giannis Antetokounmpo 45
5. Joel Embiid 45
6. Stephen Curry 45
7. Karl-Anthony Towns 44
8. Luka Doncic 44
9. DeMar DeRozan 43
10. Jaylen Brown 43

Discuss

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional/?sort=W&dir=-1&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&CF=PTS*GE*22

Player dont win games, teams win games.

Jokic carrying this roster to 46 wins is waaaaay more impressive than Booker on a well balanced 56 win team as example

[NZB2323]

There was a lot of discussion on RG about winning. Which player won more games? So I decided to look for it on nba.com. I used two criteria. 1st is ppg>22 to single out players who are generally considered top of the league. The other criteria is a little harder to understand for some people. A little bit advanced. It says "for player X to be rewarded with winning game, he must first participate in the game". Sorry if this is a little hard for some to understand. Here is the list of players and wins by their teams in games they played.

1. Devin Booker 56
2. Jayson Tatum 49
3. Nikola Jokic 46
4. Giannis Antetokounmpo 45
5. Joel Embiid 45
6. Stephen Curry 45
7. Karl-Anthony Towns 44
8. Luka Doncic 44
9. DeMar DeRozan 43
10. Jaylen Brown 43

Discuss

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional/?sort=W&dir=-1&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&CF=PTS*GE*22

This stat is STUNNING to someone who grew up watching basketball in very late 70's and then watched league expand. Never did I think the 2nd and 3rd players on a list like this would just have 49 and 46 wins respectfully. It just shows how teams are deemphasizing regular season and even star players in mid 20's are missing lots of games.

Kareem won league MVP in 1976 on a Lakers team that went 40-42.

The first 2 times Moses Malone won MVP his teams won 47 and 46 games.

[AleksandarN]

Does this account for the fact Embiid played 6 less games???

Because if not, Embiid EASILY wins at least a couple more games & it would be a flawed stat at best.

Unless Embiid was beat up by Jokic (or someone else above Embiid in the list) so he couldn't play in those 6 games, I'm not seeing a connection.

It's not hard if you don't put your blinders on lol...

If Embiid plays the same amount of games it's INCREDIBLY likely he wins more games which defeats the purpose of pointing out who won more games. Unless you're a poster that believes Karl Malone was a greater scorer than Michael Jordan because he had more overall points without the context that Jordan played less games?! lol yeah it matters and yes it's flawed.

So we are giving Embiid hypothetical wins now? So Sixers are upset about stats yet you want to reward your guy on possible hypothetical wins

[AleksandarN]

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[AleksandarN]

They think Jokic can play defense like this

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True but I don't even like referencing the last couple games/series because then these people who don't know basketball will start bringing up him getting burned by Achiuwa a couple times. It's much more simple than this. It is really not hard to see how much Embiid changes the game on that side of the floor through his whole career, even if it's not as consistent this year because of his increased scoring load. The dude is a physical and athletic freak, has been a legit DPOY candidate every year since he came into the league, and single handedly anchors pretty good defenses on the Sixers no matter who he shares the court with.

Regardless of the fact Jokic has improved on that end or whatever statistics you want to try and throw out, if you think Jokic and Embiid are in the same stratosphere defensively you are truly exposing yourself as somebody who can't think for themselves or knows absolutely nothing about basketball.

Crazy to me people think Jokic has this impact on defense

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Defensive rating? Isn't that one of those darn gone advanced stats mumbo jumbo only "stat nerds talk about"? Just checking

[HorriBULLS]

Embiid looks third string during game 5, think he cries like a kid after this one?

Think Jokic has ever cried like a baby being separated from its mother after a ballgame? Do emotional outbursts have a place in the spreadsheet?

[bearadonisdna]

Mvp player doesn’t even secure hca for the playoffs .
A 1st round underdog fodder.
How valuable.

[bearadonisdna]

This thread actually seems like a swing and a miss clamoring to deflect the discussion and somehow pull booker and Tatum to the discussion when they are not .

[rapstarter]

Mvp player doesn’t even secure hca for the playoffs .
A 1st round underdog fodder.
How valuable.

This thread actually seems like a swing and a miss clamoring to deflect the discussion and somehow pull booker and Tatum to the discussion when they are not .

Booker secured HCA for the entire playoffs.

Can't give Jokic the MVP because his team sucks (despite being only 3 games behind the Sixers and the Bucks), but also can't give Booker the MVP despite him owning the traditional MVP narrative of being the best player on the best team.

Might as well just say Embiid should win because I want him to.

[bearadonisdna]

Mvp player doesn’t even secure hca for the playoffs .
A 1st round underdog fodder.
How valuable.

This thread actually seems like a swing and a miss clamoring to deflect the discussion and somehow pull booker and Tatum to the discussion when they are not .

Booker secured HCA for the entire playoffs.

Can't give Jokic the MVP because his team sucks (despite being only 3 games behind the Sixers and the Bucks), but also can't give Booker the MVP despite him owning the traditional MVP narrative of being the best player on the best team.

Might as well just say Embiid should win because I want him to.

Like I said booker isn’t part of the equation , it’s debatable if he is the best player in the team . The consensus is that he actually is NOT . Paul is generally considered their best player .

People try to brush under the rug , or flat out manipulate and revise , is that the west had twice as many bottom barrel teams than the east .

West :6 teams under 35 wins
East : only 3 teams under 35 wins.

But then Jokic mvp apologists want to extroplate the western conference record to the east while having twice as much treadmill bottom feeder teams to boost their record.

[Cubbies2120]

West :6 teams under 35 wins
East : only 3 teams under 35 wins.

What an odd number to choose - 35 wins, hmm...

West: 6 teams under .500
East: 5 teams under .500

But that doesn't sound as good, so let's choose a random number of 35 wins!

How about:
West: 4 teams above 51 wins
East: 1 team above 51 wins



Great game by Embiid tonight, pissed off after losing MVP and he puts up a game that would qualify as Jokic's worst career playoff game. Literally. Out of every game he's played in the NBA playoffs.

That's TUFF.

[bearadonisdna]

West :6 teams under 35 wins
East : only 3 teams under 35 wins.

What an odd number to choose - 35 wins, hmm...

West: 6 teams under .500
East: 5 teams under .500

But that doesn't sound as good, so let's choose a random number of 35 wins!

How about:
West: 4 teams above 51 wins
East: 1 team above 51 wins



Great game by Embiid tonight, pissed off after losing MVP and he puts up a game that would qualify as Jokic's worst career playoff game. Literally. Out of every game he's played in the NBA playoffs.

That's TUFF.

Wats tough is joker had a worst stat line than embiid tonight. All zeros across the board .
So that’s funny .

[NZB2323]

West :6 teams under 35 wins
East : only 3 teams under 35 wins.

What an odd number to choose - 35 wins, hmm...

West: 6 teams under .500
East: 5 teams under .500

But that doesn't sound as good, so let's choose a random number of 35 wins!

How about:
West: 4 teams above 51 wins
East: 1 team above 51 wins



Great game by Embiid tonight, pissed off after losing MVP and he puts up a game that would qualify as Jokic's worst career playoff game. Literally. Out of every game he's played in the NBA playoffs.

That's TUFF.

Wats tough is joker had a worst stat line than embiid tonight. All zeros across the board .
So that’s funny .

Weird insult to make when Jokic has played in more playoff games than Embiid.

[Cubbies2120]

West :6 teams under 35 wins
East : only 3 teams under 35 wins.

What an odd number to choose - 35 wins, hmm...

West: 6 teams under .500
East: 5 teams under .500

But that doesn't sound as good, so let's choose a random number of 35 wins!

How about:
West: 4 teams above 51 wins
East: 1 team above 51 wins



Great game by Embiid tonight, pissed off after losing MVP and he puts up a game that would qualify as Jokic's worst career playoff game. Literally. Out of every game he's played in the NBA playoffs.

That's TUFF.

Wats tough is joker had a worst stat line than embiid tonight. All zeros across the board .
So that’s funny .

He had a +- of 0

-29 is TUFF tho

Embiid has 7 field goals in the last 68 minutes played

[bearadonisdna]

What an odd number to choose - 35 wins, hmm...

West: 6 teams under .500
East: 5 teams under .500

But that doesn't sound as good, so let's choose a random number of 35 wins!

How about:
West: 4 teams above 51 wins
East: 1 team above 51 wins



Great game by Embiid tonight, pissed off after losing MVP and he puts up a game that would qualify as Jokic's worst career playoff game. Literally. Out of every game he's played in the NBA playoffs.

That's TUFF.

Wats tough is joker had a worst stat line than embiid tonight. All zeros across the board .
So that’s funny .

He had a +- of 0

-29 is TUFF tho

Embiid has 7 field goals in the last 68 minutes played

At least 1 guy is still playing and relevant while another guys team has been irrelevant ALL SEASON LONG

[Cubbies2120]

Wats tough is joker had a worst stat line than embiid tonight. All zeros across the board .
So that’s funny .

He had a +- of 0

-29 is TUFF tho

Embiid has 7 field goals in the last 68 minutes played

At least 1 guy is still playing and relevant while another guys team has been irrelevant ALL SEASON LONG

Pretty relevant when he won MVP

Hey, if Embiid wins this series he'll have the opportunity to have played in as many games as Jokic if you combine regular season and playoffs! Hard to think a guy is relevant when they're sidelined, right?

Aaaaaaandddd stiiiiiillll, reigning, defending, NBA MVP

[GreatWhiteStiff]

There was a lot of discussion on RG about winning. Which player won more games? So I decided to look for it on nba.com. I used two criteria. 1st is ppg>22 to single out players who are generally considered top of the league. The other criteria is a little harder to understand for some people. A little bit advanced. It says "for player X to be rewarded with winning game, he must first participate in the game". Sorry if this is a little hard for some to understand. Here is the list of players and wins by their teams in games they played.

1. Devin Booker 56
2. Jayson Tatum 49
3. Nikola Jokic 46
4. Giannis Antetokounmpo 45
5. Joel Embiid 45
6. Stephen Curry 45
7. Karl-Anthony Towns 44
8. Luka Doncic 44
9. DeMar DeRozan 43
10. Jaylen Brown 43

Discuss

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional/?sort=W&dir=-1&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&CF=PTS*GE*22

Player dont win games, teams win games.

Jokic carrying this roster to 46 wins is waaaaay more impressive than Booker on a well balanced 56 win team as example

I don't think the OP disagrees. He is likely very pro-Jokic. He is just trying to score some points against the Gianni and Embiid crowd.

[TheLand13]

Jokic’s offense is not good enough to outweigh Embiid offense and defense combined.

Jokic getting to the WCF in the bubble is irrelevant tbh

Of course the bubble run didn't count. How convenient.

I mean if the bubble is all you got.. your argument is pretty weak

It’s more than what Embiid has…

[dribble1614]

jokic is full my deserving of the mvp. even though embiid’s play has been lackluster since returning, he’s playing with an orbital fracture, mask, finger torn ligament or something and coming off a concussion. can’t ask for much more from him.