Eurobasket 2022 Finals : SPAIN are European champions!!!

[remi_222]

I told you Spain are the favorites. Germany on home court, Italy & Slovenia can win this tournament too.

so you said that basically everybody can win

[Lalouie]

[vagelis]

continued:

2. That brings us to the Greek head coach, Dimitris Itoudis.......

This guy got totally exposed in this FIBA tournament. He selected three crap players (Dorsey/Calathes/Sloukas) to play at the guard spots. The offense either played as a team, and Giannis was useless on offense, like in previous FIBA tournaments, or the offense revolved around Giannis, and just let Giannis do whatever he wanted to, and to play hero video game ball all the time, which of course, was not going to work the instant that they played against an actual good team. But hey, at least Giannis got to stat pad against bad teams.....maybe that helps make up for his horrific second half in the game against Germany. Not really though, unless it's just how the NBA only fans view it.

Itoudis continued to play Nick Calathes and Giannis together in the same lineup......these may indeed be the two worst shooters in the entire EuroBasket tournament, and yet this clown of a supposed "elite European coach", kept playing them in the same freaking lineup together...yes, let's play the possibly worst two shooters in the whole EuroBasket tournament together, on the floor at the same time - what an absolutely brilliant coaching strategy.

3. The Bucks assistants / helpers......

Did they actually think that playing NBA style basketball on offense and defense would work against any actually good European national team? The EuroBasket is an actual serious competitive sport. It's not the fake entertainment flying circus show that the NBA is. All the playing the NBA Milwaukee Bucks' style of Giannis offense, and switch everything defense did for Greece, was pad Giannis' stats. I mean seriously, hero offensive ball from Giannis in FIBA EuroBasket, where they actually allow the other team to play defense? It's not the NBA, where playing defense is banned. The softer than butter, softer than Charmin, switch everything NBA style defense in FIBA EuroBasket, where the game is like 50 times more physical than the NBA? Again, it's not the NBA, where actually playing defense is banned.

That softer than butter, NBA switch everything nonsense only works in the NBA, because the NBA is the softest, pansiest, candiest, pro level basketball competition in the world. To think that you can just endlessly switch everything against good European FIBA teams is absolutely nuts. These NBA coaches really are clueless about how soft and fake the NBA is, due to its rules and reffing. I assume that Itoudis had to have been following the Bucks defensive plan, with the switch everything, all the time defense. Regardless, Itoudis and the Bucks assistant, both look like clowns, for thinking that would work at a real basketball competition, where they actually allow defense to be played, and actually allow physical play to take place.

4. Giannis......

It's simple, FIBA Giannis once again proved that the NBA is overrated to a ludicrous degree, and that it's really just a fake entertainment show, and not a real serious sports competition. From the moment that a good European national team (Germany), decided to play real defense (the 2nd half), we saw the same clueless in the half court on offense, zero offensive skills, can't shoot, bad decision making, bad shot taking, free throw missing, bad foul making, turnover prone, terrible team defense playing, and all around choking Giannis, that we had seen in the previous five FIBA tournaments that he had played in before this one. The blatant unsportsmanlike 2 foul that got him ejected was a new, nice added touch though....

Agree with the most part of the post.
NBA has the best players of the world but they are not allowed to play defense and the league promotes some players via the referees.
FIBA is fair.
The best players prove that with their skills in a fair competition.
Giannis is better now than some years before when it was a disaster for him playing in FIBA rules. He has developed his game but still his main skill is his athleticism.
In NBA he is allowed to push defenders, he is one of the league favorites if not the league favorite.

The fact that the Greek national team accepted the Bucks assistant coach was something very wrong.
That shows that Bucks cared about Giannis image in Eurobasket.
They wanted him to fill his stats in this Eurobasket.
Greece accepted that but that is not how a team works

[bravor]

Nr1 contender Serbia out, nr2 Greece almost already out.... Incredible Eurocup this year.

who was the third? France?

Na, that was Slovenia. We are missing players and the least we can say is that they have not been replaced in terms of quality (in terms of impact, yes. Bad impact for now).

[Luke Skyowner]

Germany = CPI number
Greece = my stock portfolio

I felt that

[Pachinko_]

Ιt is now Luka's gold to lose.

[lambchop]

continued:

2. That brings us to the Greek head coach, Dimitris Itoudis.......

This guy got totally exposed in this FIBA tournament. He selected three crap players (Dorsey/Calathes/Sloukas) to play at the guard spots. The offense either played as a team, and Giannis was useless on offense, like in previous FIBA tournaments, or the offense revolved around Giannis, and just let Giannis do whatever he wanted to, and to play hero video game ball all the time, which of course, was not going to work the instant that they played against an actual good team. But hey, at least Giannis got to stat pad against bad teams.....maybe that helps make up for his horrific second half in the game against Germany. Not really though, unless it's just how the NBA only fans view it.

Itoudis continued to play Nick Calathes and Giannis together in the same lineup......these may indeed be the two worst shooters in the entire EuroBasket tournament, and yet this clown of a supposed "elite European coach", kept playing them in the same freaking lineup together...yes, let's play the possibly worst two shooters in the whole EuroBasket tournament together, on the floor at the same time - what an absolutely brilliant coaching strategy.

3. The Bucks assistants / helpers......

Did they actually think that playing NBA style basketball on offense and defense would work against any actually good European national team? The EuroBasket is an actual serious competitive sport. It's not the fake entertainment flying circus show that the NBA is. All the playing the NBA Milwaukee Bucks' style of Giannis offense, and switch everything defense did for Greece, was pad Giannis' stats. I mean seriously, hero offensive ball from Giannis in FIBA EuroBasket, where they actually allow the other team to play defense? It's not the NBA, where playing defense is banned. The softer than butter, softer than Charmin, switch everything NBA style defense in FIBA EuroBasket, where the game is like 50 times more physical than the NBA? Again, it's not the NBA, where actually playing defense is banned.

That softer than butter, NBA switch everything nonsense only works in the NBA, because the NBA is the softest, pansiest, candiest, pro level basketball competition in the world. To think that you can just endlessly switch everything against good European FIBA teams is absolutely nuts. These NBA coaches really are clueless about how soft and fake the NBA is, due to its rules and reffing. I assume that Itoudis had to have been following the Bucks defensive plan, with the switch everything, all the time defense. Regardless, Itoudis and the Bucks assistant, both look like clowns, for thinking that would work at a real basketball competition, where they actually allow defense to be played, and actually allow physical play to take place.

4. Giannis......

It's simple, FIBA Giannis once again proved that the NBA is overrated to a ludicrous degree, and that it's really just a fake entertainment show, and not a real serious sports competition. From the moment that a good European national team (Germany), decided to play real defense (the 2nd half), we saw the same clueless in the half court on offense, zero offensive skills, can't shoot, bad decision making, bad shot taking, free throw missing, bad foul making, turnover prone, terrible team defense playing, and all around choking Giannis, that we had seen in the previous five FIBA tournaments that he had played in before this one. The blatant unsportsmanlike 2 foul that got him ejected was a new, nice added touch though....

Agree with the most part of the post.
NBA has the best players of the world but they are not allowed to play defense and the league promotes some players via the referees.
FIBA is fair.
The best players prove that with their skills in a fair competition.
Giannis is better now than some years before when it was a disaster for him playing in FIBA rules. He has developed his game but still his main skill is his athleticism.
In NBA he is allowed to push defenders, he is one of the league favorites if not the league favorite.

The fact that the Greek national team accepted the Bucks assistant coach was something very wrong.
That shows that Bucks cared about Giannis image in Eurobasket.
They wanted him to fill his stats in this Eurobasket.
Greece accepted that but that is not how a team works

Ok but which forward would you replace Giannis with that would get this Greek team further? The only player I can think of would be 2018 LBJ or 2017 LBJ cause of his ability to control the pace, pass the ball and of course he was also shooting really well those years. If you replace him with a guard, things change cause it could be a guy like Spanoulis (elite euro guard) or someone like prime Curry, prime Deron Williams etc.

[vagelis]

continued:

2. That brings us to the Greek head coach, Dimitris Itoudis.......

This guy got totally exposed in this FIBA tournament. He selected three crap players (Dorsey/Calathes/Sloukas) to play at the guard spots. The offense either played as a team, and Giannis was useless on offense, like in previous FIBA tournaments, or the offense revolved around Giannis, and just let Giannis do whatever he wanted to, and to play hero video game ball all the time, which of course, was not going to work the instant that they played against an actual good team. But hey, at least Giannis got to stat pad against bad teams.....maybe that helps make up for his horrific second half in the game against Germany. Not really though, unless it's just how the NBA only fans view it.

Itoudis continued to play Nick Calathes and Giannis together in the same lineup......these may indeed be the two worst shooters in the entire EuroBasket tournament, and yet this clown of a supposed "elite European coach", kept playing them in the same freaking lineup together...yes, let's play the possibly worst two shooters in the whole EuroBasket tournament together, on the floor at the same time - what an absolutely brilliant coaching strategy.

3. The Bucks assistants / helpers......

Did they actually think that playing NBA style basketball on offense and defense would work against any actually good European national team? The EuroBasket is an actual serious competitive sport. It's not the fake entertainment flying circus show that the NBA is. All the playing the NBA Milwaukee Bucks' style of Giannis offense, and switch everything defense did for Greece, was pad Giannis' stats. I mean seriously, hero offensive ball from Giannis in FIBA EuroBasket, where they actually allow the other team to play defense? It's not the NBA, where playing defense is banned. The softer than butter, softer than Charmin, switch everything NBA style defense in FIBA EuroBasket, where the game is like 50 times more physical than the NBA? Again, it's not the NBA, where actually playing defense is banned.

That softer than butter, NBA switch everything nonsense only works in the NBA, because the NBA is the softest, pansiest, candiest, pro level basketball competition in the world. To think that you can just endlessly switch everything against good European FIBA teams is absolutely nuts. These NBA coaches really are clueless about how soft and fake the NBA is, due to its rules and reffing. I assume that Itoudis had to have been following the Bucks defensive plan, with the switch everything, all the time defense. Regardless, Itoudis and the Bucks assistant, both look like clowns, for thinking that would work at a real basketball competition, where they actually allow defense to be played, and actually allow physical play to take place.

4. Giannis......

It's simple, FIBA Giannis once again proved that the NBA is overrated to a ludicrous degree, and that it's really just a fake entertainment show, and not a real serious sports competition. From the moment that a good European national team (Germany), decided to play real defense (the 2nd half), we saw the same clueless in the half court on offense, zero offensive skills, can't shoot, bad decision making, bad shot taking, free throw missing, bad foul making, turnover prone, terrible team defense playing, and all around choking Giannis, that we had seen in the previous five FIBA tournaments that he had played in before this one. The blatant unsportsmanlike 2 foul that got him ejected was a new, nice added touch though....

Agree with the most part of the post.
NBA has the best players of the world but they are not allowed to play defense and the league promotes some players via the referees.
FIBA is fair.
The best players prove that with their skills in a fair competition.
Giannis is better now than some years before when it was a disaster for him playing in FIBA rules. He has developed his game but still his main skill is his athleticism.
In NBA he is allowed to push defenders, he is one of the league favorites if not the league favorite.

The fact that the Greek national team accepted the Bucks assistant coach was something very wrong.
That shows that Bucks cared about Giannis image in Eurobasket.
They wanted him to fill his stats in this Eurobasket.
Greece accepted that but that is not how a team works

Ok but which forward would you replace Giannis with that would get this Greek team further? The only player I can think of would be 2018 LBJ or 2017 LBJ cause of his ability to control the pace, pass the ball and of course he was also shooting really well those years. If you replace him with a guard, things change cause it could be a guy like Spanoulis (elite euro guard) or someone like prime Curry, prime Deron Williams etc.

Giannis is very good now I agree.
I had not the same opinion some years before.
I agree that guards are more important for a team. They control the game and I agree that Greece needed at least one elite guard in order to compete.

As for who could replace Giannis. In FIBA games Markannen showed that he carried a team with worse roster than Greece.
Markannen who has not a big role in NBA.
I talk about Markannen and not other NBA stars because he played in the same tournament.

[Mavrelous]

FIBA is fair.

That's the last thing I'd say about FIBA, officiating is horrible, and unsportman fouls are just weird, Greece was get VERY favourable whistle yesterday.

[lambchop]

Agree with the most part of the post.
NBA has the best players of the world but they are not allowed to play defense and the league promotes some players via the referees.
FIBA is fair.
The best players prove that with their skills in a fair competition.
Giannis is better now than some years before when it was a disaster for him playing in FIBA rules. He has developed his game but still his main skill is his athleticism.
In NBA he is allowed to push defenders, he is one of the league favorites if not the league favorite.

The fact that the Greek national team accepted the Bucks assistant coach was something very wrong.
That shows that Bucks cared about Giannis image in Eurobasket.
They wanted him to fill his stats in this Eurobasket.
Greece accepted that but that is not how a team works

Ok but which forward would you replace Giannis with that would get this Greek team further? The only player I can think of would be 2018 LBJ or 2017 LBJ cause of his ability to control the pace, pass the ball and of course he was also shooting really well those years. If you replace him with a guard, things change cause it could be a guy like Spanoulis (elite euro guard) or someone like prime Curry, prime Deron Williams etc.

Giannis is very good now I agree.
I had not the same opinion some years before.
I agree that guards are more important for a team. They control the game and I agree that Greece needed at least one elite guard in order to compete.

As for who could replace Giannis. In FIBA games Markannen showed that he carried a team with worse roster than Greece.
Markannen who has not a big role in NBA.
I talk about Markannen and not other NBA stars because he played in the same tournament.

Good point. Markannen would probably get the job done with Dorsey and Sloukas as his teammates.

[SpreeS]

I'm shocked how changed offences in Eurobasket 2022 comparing to 2017

2017 90+ pts per game 2 teams
2022 90+ pts per game 5 teams

2017 80+ pts per game 7 teams
2022 80+ pts per game 10 teams

[KG Leonard]

Greece have done bad work on defending 3 pointers. They are also too small and too bad at shooting 3's. How this team got this far?

Yeah they were truly horrible defending the 3, Germany did very lite screening, movement to get open 3s before they were even hot. I was missing the great defence,tactics Spain showed in perimeter defending. Third quarter Greece were very slow, shooting 3s when their shooters sucked with 3s. Giannis is great but no one can score vs 5 with no space at all.

[UcanUwill]

Giannis shouldn't have been ejected man. That call was soft.

That's an ejection in any league. You can't clothesarm someone's head even if you didn't do it on purpose.

worth to note that it wasnt direct ejection, though it could have been. In was just Giannis' second unsportsmanlike, so he was ejected by default.

P.S. I want to say that I hate some FIBA rules, their unsportsmanlike fouls are dumb and they review plays way too often, I hope Euroleague does not adopt this, NBA is already a lost cause when it comes to stoppage, but at least there you can foul a guy without it being flagrant ever single time.

[Evenacus]

Schroder bringing that softie NBA attitude towards the fans. Opposing team fans are supposed to heckle you whatever way they can. It's not that somebody is going to do anything for real. Players have become real divas and primmadonas.

[vagelis]

Ok but which forward would you replace Giannis with that would get this Greek team further? The only player I can think of would be 2018 LBJ or 2017 LBJ cause of his ability to control the pace, pass the ball and of course he was also shooting really well those years. If you replace him with a guard, things change cause it could be a guy like Spanoulis (elite euro guard) or someone like prime Curry, prime Deron Williams etc.

Giannis is very good now I agree.
I had not the same opinion some years before.
I agree that guards are more important for a team. They control the game and I agree that Greece needed at least one elite guard in order to compete.

As for who could replace Giannis. In FIBA games Markannen showed that he carried a team with worse roster than Greece.
Markannen who has not a big role in NBA.
I talk about Markannen and not other NBA stars because he played in the same tournament.

Good point. Markannen would probably get the job done with Dorsey and Sloukas as his teammates.

I think you didn't read what I wrote.
I wrote that Greece needed at least one elite guard in order to compete.
You can read it now in the quote.

[mcmurphy]

Nr1 contender Serbia out, nr2 Greece almost already out.... Incredible Eurocup this year.

who was the third? France?

Na, that was Slovenia. We are missing players and the least we can say is that they have not been replaced in terms of quality (in terms of impact, yes. Bad impact for now).

naaaaaa, you have the cleared path to the semifinals

[orlando_joe]

Greece have done bad work on defending 3 pointers. They are also too small and too bad at shooting 3's. How this team got this far?

Yeah they were truly horrible defending the 3, Germany did very lite screening, movement to get open 3s before they were even hot. I was missing the great defence,tactics Spain showed in perimeter defending. Third quarter they were very slow, shooting 3s when their shooters sucked with 3s every game. Giannis is great but no one can score vs 5 with no space at all.

germany as team over 40% from 3 for the 7 games so far...franz has shot over 50% from 3 ..if that sucks whats good?

edit maybe not reading clearly are you saying greece sucked shooting 3s?

[bravor]

who was the third? France?

Na, that was Slovenia. We are missing players and the least we can say is that they have not been replaced in terms of quality (in terms of impact, yes. Bad impact for now).

naaaaaa, you have the cleared path to the semifinals

I doubt we can make it. If Gobert had a post game maybe, since your strenght are our weaknesses and vice versa, but if you shoot as well as you did till this game, there won't be a lot of rebounds and we wont be able to run. Plus your perimeter/zone defense will most likely provoke tons of turnovers (we only had one game with less than 10 to's).

Anyway, may the better win. i like your team (not lying) even though i know some italian fans keep trashing France for some reasons.

[hippesthippo]

Are all three nursing injuries this offseason? That could easily be 3 starters, but more than likely Mo sits and Theiss starts .. next to Franz and Schroeder. whew.

They're my third national team in terms of what I watch, but second only to Czech Republic in Euro. Why can't Germany ever get their better players together for these tournaments?

[God Squad]

I'd like to start by saying I know next to nothing about FIBA. But I watched the Spain v Finland and Greece v Germany and I can't help but think Germany has the superior roster vs Spain. Almost vastly better with quality NBA names. The moment I saw that Giannis had to go against Wagner, Theis, Schroder I knew it was a wrap. Then the Obst boy goes off looking like Mark price lol.

So why are people saying Spain when Germany looked great out there. Is it the Hernangomez bros or Rudy?