The irony: Lakers complain to league about calls

[zimpy27]

+19 again tonight.

The gap keeps getting wider and wider.

Team strategy is to pressure rim and defend without fouling.

So they are doing a great job of enacting that plan

[AussieCeltic]

+19 again tonight.

The gap keeps getting wider and wider.

Team strategy is to pressure rim and defend without fouling.

So they are doing a great job of enacting that plan

I'm pretty sure every teams strategy is to not foul.

Somehow the Lakers foul rate to fouls drawn is negative, yet free throw disparity is insanely high in their favour. It literally doesn't make sense.

[nzahir]

+19 again tonight.

The gap keeps getting wider and wider.

Team strategy is to pressure rim and defend without fouling.

So they are doing a great job of enacting that plan

I'm pretty sure every teams strategy is to not foul.

Somehow the Lakers foul rate to fouls drawn is negative, yet free throw disparity is insanely high in their favour. It literally doesn't make sense.

I dont agree

There are times when we give up open layups where many other teams would foul

Also AD is an elite defender, dpoy level, certainly helps

I see Lebron get hit many times where other guys would get a call, such as most of the guards in this league or Giannis

Bron and Jokic dont get as many calls as they deserve, especially when you see what kind of crap guys like Booker get

[zimpy27]

+19 again tonight.

The gap keeps getting wider and wider.

Team strategy is to pressure rim and defend without fouling.

So they are doing a great job of enacting that plan

I'm pretty sure every teams strategy is to not foul.

Somehow the Lakers foul rate to fouls drawn is negative, yet free throw disparity is insanely high in their favour. It literally doesn't make sense.

Not really. Plenty of teams have the strategy to actively foul to stop a shot close to the basket. Most teams would, Lakers don't. Their strategy is to not give up FTs, this is something Ham brought from Bucks. You can trace the same strategy to them.

Lakers are 5th in FTA and 5th in Fouls
Lakers opponents are 30th in FTA and 27th in Fouls.

90% of it is just because of Ham's defensive philosophy.
A small % is due to Reaves, Vando, Rui inclusions as players that draw fouls.

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Reaves foul drawing to 2pt attempts is way down year to year. Expect that to normalize. They're actually not giving him enough free throws, it would seem.

Maybe his last year for the lakers was just an outlier, he was going nuts with the foul drawing for a while.

[Raps in 4]

When you’re used to the below, I can see why they’d be upset.

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?s=46

That's wild.

I'd love to see this for multiple seasons. I'd bet the Lakers top the list every year they've had a playoff team.

[wco81]

Scott Van Pelt said what foul on that last foul Lebron drew.

But it’s not about Lebron or AD not fouling.

Lakers have been getting to the line far more than opponents for decades.

NBA simply believes helping Lakers win is good for the league.

[FrobeBryant]

+19 again tonight.

The gap keeps getting wider and wider.

Watch the damn games instead of complaining all the time. The lakers kept dumping the ball to AD and LeBron and the Rockets kept fouling them. Show me suspect calls and I’ll lean towards your premise. Otherwise all you’re doing is scrutinizing box score results and making exaggerated assumptions without grasping context.

[FrobeBryant]

Scott Van Pelt said what foul on that last foul Lebron drew.

But it’s not about Lebron or AD not fouling.

Lakers have been getting to the line far more than opponents for decades.

NBA simply believes helping Lakers win is good for the league.

What foul? Watch the replay, Brooks is literally hanging on to Brons jersey then hacks at his arm. Wtf do you guys look at during replays?

[AussieCeltic]

+19 again tonight.

The gap keeps getting wider and wider.

Watch the damn games instead of complaining all the time. The lakers kept dumping the ball to AD and LeBron and the Rockets kept fouling them. Show me suspect calls and I’ll lean towards your premise. Otherwise all you’re doing is scrutinizing box score results and making exaggerated assumptions without grasping context.

“wATcH tHe GaMeS”

Spoken like a true Laker fan. I do watch the games, and it’s frustrating.

Just pointing out the facts my friend. Lakers have won every free throw count this season bar the Miami game which they were behind by 2.

The disparity grows higher and higher each game yet Laker fans continue to say they don’t get a fair whistle.

Imagine being 1 of the other 29 teams and hearing that? People don’t care that they’re #1 in FT disparity, it’s the huge margin that gets bigger and bigger every game.

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?s=46

This was last week and it’s only growing larger. Lakers +65 in the last week, Magic +23.

[infinite11285]

+19 again tonight.

The gap keeps getting wider and wider.

Watch the damn games instead of complaining all the time. The lakers kept dumping the ball to AD and LeBron and the Rockets kept fouling them. Show me suspect calls and I’ll lean towards your premise. Otherwise all you’re doing is scrutinizing box score results and making exaggerated assumptions without grasping context.

“wATcH tHe GaMeS”

Spoken like a true Laker fan. I do watch the games, and it’s frustrating.

Just pointing out the facts my friend. Lakers have won every free throw count this season bar the Miami game which they were behind by 2.

The disparity grows higher and higher each game yet Laker fans continue to say they don’t get a fair whistle.

Imagine being 1 of the other 29 teams and hearing that? People don’t care that they’re #1 in FT disparity, it’s the huge margin that gets bigger and bigger every game.

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?s=46

This was last week and it’s only growing larger. Lakers +65 in the last week, Magic +23.

I didn't see anything egregious last night. It was quite obvious the Lakers focused on punishing the Rockets in the paint.

Imo, posting plays you feel the Lakers were gifted fouls on a game-to-game basis would give your premise more teeth. Besides, wouldn't looking at avg FT attempts per game be a better stat to analyze rather than FT differential, which can be skewed by scheduling. I don't believe the NBA is conspiring for a Lakers v. Magic Finals since those two teams have the highest differential.

[Gregoire]

LeBron is one of the most notorious floppers ever and player with one of the most favorable officiating ever... Lakers as a team always were officiated favorable too. Then they connected with each other... officiating of their games became at another level....

[AussieCeltic]

Watch the damn games instead of complaining all the time. The lakers kept dumping the ball to AD and LeBron and the Rockets kept fouling them. Show me suspect calls and I’ll lean towards your premise. Otherwise all you’re doing is scrutinizing box score results and making exaggerated assumptions without grasping context.

“wATcH tHe GaMeS”

Spoken like a true Laker fan. I do watch the games, and it’s frustrating.

Just pointing out the facts my friend. Lakers have won every free throw count this season bar the Miami game which they were behind by 2.

The disparity grows higher and higher each game yet Laker fans continue to say they don’t get a fair whistle.

Imagine being 1 of the other 29 teams and hearing that? People don’t care that they’re #1 in FT disparity, it’s the huge margin that gets bigger and bigger every game.

Read on Twitter

?s=46

This was last week and it’s only growing larger. Lakers +65 in the last week, Magic +23.

I didn't see anything egregious last night. It was quite obvious the Lakers focused on punishing the Rockets in the paint.

Imo, posting plays you feel the Lakers were gifted fouls on a game-to-game basis would give your premise more teeth. Wouldn't avg FT attempts per game be a better stat to analyze rather than FT differential, which can be skewed by scheduling? Unless, of course, you believe the NBA is conspiring for a Lakers v. Magic Finals since those two teams have the highest differential.

No..FT’s per game doesn’t highlight a thing eg 2 teams could shoot 70 free throws each in a triple OT game. It’s a lot of free throws and would bump up their free throws per game dramatically but they didn’t actually get an advantage.

Differential shows game to game that they continuously win free throw counts.

The Magic are in line with the other teams. As I said, it’s not that the Lakers are #1, it’s the disparity is so damn large, it’s unheard of. The next 3 best teams combined wouldn’t equal the advantage the Lakers have on a game to game basis. They essentially go into every game with a 12 free throw advantage. They shoot at 76% so they’re starting on average with a 9 point lead before going into every game.

The funnier thing is, the large disparity all started happening after the Celtics game last year when the Celtics did have some calls go their way. Including the no call on Lebron where he cried and jumped around like a school girl. Even as a Celtic fan, I saw that game was in our favour. It happens from time to time.

But since then, the Lakers win over 90% of free throw counts. So what happened? Did the Lakers just start changing the way they played after that?

[RB34]

+19 again tonight.

The gap keeps getting wider and wider.

Team strategy is to pressure rim and defend without fouling.

So they are doing a great job of enacting that plan

I’m pretty sure every teams strategy is to defend without fouling..

[freestyler34]

They were crying about Sengun flopping all game on reddit last night and Sengun had 0 FT , a physical player like Sengun that loves to play down low played 30+ min and had 0 FT and all they were talking about was how Sengun keep flopping man lakers fans are something else

[Edrees]

“wATcH tHe GaMeS”

Spoken like a true Laker fan. I do watch the games, and it’s frustrating.

Just pointing out the facts my friend. Lakers have won every free throw count this season bar the Miami game which they were behind by 2.

The disparity grows higher and higher each game yet Laker fans continue to say they don’t get a fair whistle.

Imagine being 1 of the other 29 teams and hearing that? People don’t care that they’re #1 in FT disparity, it’s the huge margin that gets bigger and bigger every game.

Read on Twitter

?s=46

This was last week and it’s only growing larger. Lakers +65 in the last week, Magic +23.

I didn't see anything egregious last night. It was quite obvious the Lakers focused on punishing the Rockets in the paint.

Imo, posting plays you feel the Lakers were gifted fouls on a game-to-game basis would give your premise more teeth. Wouldn't avg FT attempts per game be a better stat to analyze rather than FT differential, which can be skewed by scheduling? Unless, of course, you believe the NBA is conspiring for a Lakers v. Magic Finals since those two teams have the highest differential.

No..FT’s per game doesn’t highlight a thing eg 2 teams could shoot 70 free throws each in a triple OT game. It’s a lot of free throws and would bump up their free throws per game dramatically but they didn’t actually get an advantage.

Differential shows game to game that they continuously win free throw counts.

The Magic are in line with the other teams. As I said, it’s not that the Lakers are #1, it’s the disparity is so damn large, it’s unheard of. The next 3 best teams combined wouldn’t equal the advantage the Lakers have on a game to game basis. They essentially go into every game with a 12 free throw advantage. They shoot at 76% so they’re starting on average with a 9 point lead before going into every game.

The funnier thing is, the large disparity all started happening after the Celtics game last year when the Celtics did have some calls go their way. Including the no call on Lebron where he cried and jumped around like a school girl. Even as a Celtic fan, I saw that game was in our favour. It happens from time to time.

But since then, the Lakers win over 90% of free throw counts. So what happened? Did the Lakers just start changing the way they played after that?

The magic are NOT in line with all other teams. They are only in "line" with 3rd or 4th place teams. But if you compare any two teams, there are still massive free throw disparities.

Disparity between Lakers and Magic in that graphic
476 - 160 = 316

Disparity between the Magic and the Warriors
160 - (-412) = 572

The league is fixing it for the Magic with respect to the Warriors as much as they are for the Lakers with respect to the Kings. Guess the league would really lose a lot with the warriors in the finals and have a lot to gain with the Magic in finals.

If the 2nd, 3rd, 4th place teams in FT disparity have a right to be upset at the Lakers for a favorable whistle, then the Warriors and Suns have equal right to feel like the NBA really wants the Kings to do well compared to them. Come on.

Disparity between the Kings and the Warriors
173 - (-412) = 585 Yeah the NBA must really want the Kings to do well and it would really hurt their bottom line for the 100x size market San Fransisco to do well You only want to cherry pick the parts of that data that confirm to your personal biases.

You continually use this data to only analyze the lakers disparity but completely discount anything else it conveys.

I'll repost the rest of that image based on last season's data. The original one above only includes the teams in net positive disparity.

[AussieCeltic]

I didn't see anything egregious last night. It was quite obvious the Lakers focused on punishing the Rockets in the paint.

Imo, posting plays you feel the Lakers were gifted fouls on a game-to-game basis would give your premise more teeth. Wouldn't avg FT attempts per game be a better stat to analyze rather than FT differential, which can be skewed by scheduling? Unless, of course, you believe the NBA is conspiring for a Lakers v. Magic Finals since those two teams have the highest differential.

No..FT’s per game doesn’t highlight a thing eg 2 teams could shoot 70 free throws each in a triple OT game. It’s a lot of free throws and would bump up their free throws per game dramatically but they didn’t actually get an advantage.

Differential shows game to game that they continuously win free throw counts.

The Magic are in line with the other teams. As I said, it’s not that the Lakers are #1, it’s the disparity is so damn large, it’s unheard of. The next 3 best teams combined wouldn’t equal the advantage the Lakers have on a game to game basis. They essentially go into every game with a 12 free throw advantage. They shoot at 76% so they’re starting on average with a 9 point lead before going into every game.

The funnier thing is, the large disparity all started happening after the Celtics game last year when the Celtics did have some calls go their way. Including the no call on Lebron where he cried and jumped around like a school girl. Even as a Celtic fan, I saw that game was in our favour. It happens from time to time.

But since then, the Lakers win over 90% of free throw counts. So what happened? Did the Lakers just start changing the way they played after that?

The magic are NOT in line with all other teams. They are only in "line" with 3rd or 4th place teams. But if you compare any two teams, there are still massive free throw disparities.

Disparity between Lakers and Magic in that graphic
476 - 160 = 316

Disparity between the Magic and the Warriors
160 - (-412) = 572

The league is fixing it for the Magic with respect to the Warriors as much as they are for the Lakers with respect to the Kings. Guess the league would really lose a lot with the warriors in the finals and have a lot to gain with the Magic in finals.

First off, your math is wrong. In that graphic, it shows the Lakers are +345 over the Magic. Add in this week and it’s +387.

If you take that 387 gap and take it from the Magic, that’s -160 which would be 23rd best in the league.

So the gap between 1st and 2nd is the same as the gap between 2nd and 23rd!!

[AussieCeltic]

I didn't see anything egregious last night. It was quite obvious the Lakers focused on punishing the Rockets in the paint.

Imo, posting plays you feel the Lakers were gifted fouls on a game-to-game basis would give your premise more teeth. Wouldn't avg FT attempts per game be a better stat to analyze rather than FT differential, which can be skewed by scheduling? Unless, of course, you believe the NBA is conspiring for a Lakers v. Magic Finals since those two teams have the highest differential.

No..FT’s per game doesn’t highlight a thing eg 2 teams could shoot 70 free throws each in a triple OT game. It’s a lot of free throws and would bump up their free throws per game dramatically but they didn’t actually get an advantage.

Differential shows game to game that they continuously win free throw counts.

The Magic are in line with the other teams. As I said, it’s not that the Lakers are #1, it’s the disparity is so damn large, it’s unheard of. The next 3 best teams combined wouldn’t equal the advantage the Lakers have on a game to game basis. They essentially go into every game with a 12 free throw advantage. They shoot at 76% so they’re starting on average with a 9 point lead before going into every game.

The funnier thing is, the large disparity all started happening after the Celtics game last year when the Celtics did have some calls go their way. Including the no call on Lebron where he cried and jumped around like a school girl. Even as a Celtic fan, I saw that game was in our favour. It happens from time to time.

But since then, the Lakers win over 90% of free throw counts. So what happened? Did the Lakers just start changing the way they played after that?

The magic are NOT in line with all other teams. They are only in "line" with 3rd or 4th place teams. But if you compare any two teams, there are still massive free throw disparities.

Disparity between Lakers and Magic in that graphic
476 - 160 = 316

Disparity between the Magic and the Warriors
160 - (-412) = 572

The league is fixing it for the Magic with respect to the Warriors as much as they are for the Lakers with respect to the Kings. Guess the league would really lose a lot with the warriors in the finals and have a lot to gain with the Magic in finals.

If the 2nd, 3rd, 4th place teams in FT disparity have a right to be upset at the Lakers for a favorable whistle, then the Warriors and Suns have equal right to feel like the NBA really wants the Kings to do well compared to them. Come on.

Disparity between the Kings and the Warriors
173 - (-412) = 585 Yeah the NBA must really want the Kings to do well and it would really hurt their bottom line for the 100x size market San Fransisco to do well You only want to cherry pick the parts of that data that confirm to your personal biases.

You continually use this data to only analyze the lakers disparity but completely discount anything else it conveys.

I'll repost the rest of that image based on last season's data. The original one above only includes the teams in net positive disparity.

How is it a cherry picked stat? It’s the actual stat. Show me a team stat where the gap between the 1st and 2nd team is the same as the gap between the 2nd and 23rd team.

You can go throughout NBA history as well. Show me any stat!

[Optimus_Steel]

Hilarious that Lebron and the Lakers complaining about lack of calls lmao.

[KembaWalker]

The gap will be whatever it has to be to make sure the Lakers are hanging around. The worse they get at actual basketball, and they aren't very good now, the more absurd it will get

Defend without fouling as a strategy is the funniest thing I've read on here in a while.