Who Would You Rather Have: Alperen Sengun or Chet Holmgren?

[jasonxxx102]

Passing/Playmaking, Post up game, Ball handling Sengun clearly better.

Sengun is a better playmaker and has a better post up game. Chet is a better ball handler but Chet is SO much more efficient shooting the ball

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Also couldnt find many of Sengun's euro step dribbles , Dude literally takes the ball at 3pt line most of the time and dribble pass the players untill the rim and you think some 7'1 guy better than him at ball handling ?

Ah, the ole sharing some youtube highlight videos to make a point

[freestyler34]

Sengun is a better playmaker and has a better post up game. Chet is a better ball handler but Chet is SO much more efficient shooting the ball

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Also couldnt find many of Sengun's euro step dribbles , Dude literally takes the ball at 3pt line most of the time and dribble pass the players untill the rim and you think some 7'1 guy better than him at ball handling ?

Ah, the ole sharing some youtube highlight videos to make a point

You literally never watched Sengun play and BSing here thinking Chet got better handles i didnt post hightlight videos btw just single play videos if you ever watched Sengun play full game once you would know he does this kind of plays every game, Sengun starting his post ups or dribbles almost at the 3pt line most of the time and you think Chet got better handles ? Show me a "youtube"" video of Chet doing euro steps,behind the backs ,cross overs from the 3pt line to the rim ill wait

You said Chet is better at everything on a court yet i proved Sengun is better at Passing/playmaking,Post up game and Ball handling please dont post nonsense without a knowledge again.

[sikma42]

Chet has a good handle for someone his size and he can use it to run the break or eat up space in the half court. The one thing he cannot do at this point, is attack his defender (when they aren't in rotation) with consequential dribble moves to create opportunities for himself and others.

I'd take Chet over Sengun because of the defense and I just see Chet skillset being more reliable deep in the playoffs. Sengun is gonna have some issues with matchups and that's tough as a #1 option.

[Kiss of Death]

Head to head matchup:

Sengun:
21 pts
6 reb
7 ast
1 stl
2 blk
8/13 FG
+/- +12

Chet:
4 pts
5 rbs
2 ast
1 stl
6 blk
2/9
+/- -16

Houston win 110-101.

Yeah I doubt the Rockets are interested in trading Sengun for a player he just destroyed in a head to head matchup not too long ago.

[Adam Stern]

And Sengun is younger than Chet.

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Where are those numbers from because Sengun is not shooting 32% from three.
He's at 28% for his career, just over that for this season (28.6%) and notably worse of late (3/16...20%..since Christmas).

You are quoting a post that is a month old.

Hence the reason I asked where the numbers were from.

[Adam Stern]

Head to head matchup:

Sengun:
21 pts
6 reb
7 ast
1 stl
2 blk
8/13 FG
+/- +12

Chet:
4 pts
5 rbs
2 ast
1 stl
6 blk
2/9
+/- -16

Houston win 110-101.

"Head to head"????
Wasn't Jabari Smith Jr the primary defender on Chet that game while the Rockets hid Sengun on Giddy?

Sengun is a damn good player so no need to exaggerate or post disingenuous numbers.

[GA34]

Chet benefits from playing with SGA. No way he’s this efficient playing on the rockets as a rookie instead of Sengun.

In three years time people will be wondering why they didn’t give Sengun more credit as he gets MVP votes

[Kiss of Death]

Head to head matchup:

Sengun:
21 pts
6 reb
7 ast
1 stl
2 blk
8/13 FG
+/- +12

Chet:
4 pts
5 rbs
2 ast
1 stl
6 blk
2/9
+/- -16

Houston win 110-101.

"Head to head"????
Wasn't Jabari Smith Jr the primary defender on Chet that game while the Rockets hid Sengun on Giddy?

Sengun is a damn good player so no need to exaggerate or post disingenuous numbers.

Oh ok. So Jabari is better than Chet, too.

Good point.

[WillyJakkz]

Then you clearly don’t watch him. Like both and I’m of the opposite opinion.

Wait what?

Please elaborate. What is Chet showing you to make you say he can be a future MVP candidate?

How polished he is and his understanding of the game is way beyond his years especially for a big. So many little things go unnoticed being on a great young team

He doesn’t force anything yet can being 7ft 1, super unselfish, low turnover eco which is great for his size.

The shooting, handling, FT conversion, defensive awareness and shot blocking capacity and elite portability is all there

KD/Dirk together only had a couple of 20 FGA’s seasons and would be considered low usage superstars in relative terms (even more so today)

There’s hasn’t been a change when Shai is on vs off so far ORTG and efficiency wise and if it stays that way then watch out.

I honestly am more comfortable in Chet getting to his ceiling and potential than Wemby.

A KD/Dirk hybrid while being a top 10 defender is certainly MVP material in my eyes.

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Look at how easy and comfortable it is on court. Allowing 5 out offensive spread, two man games inside/out, concepts of spacing, shooting form, big man fundamentals it’s all there.

Yeah I do agree Chet is very poised and composed out there on the court and he is skilled.

I haven't seen him put the ball on the floor outside of about 3-4 dribbles when taking his man to create his own offense.

It's a spin to the hoop or turnaround.

His offense is reliant on Shai creating opportunities for him which is usually a kick out open 3.

He and Sengun have different offensive responsibilities and I'm not seeing Chet with the ability to be the main offensive hub.

[jasonxxx102]

Wait what?

Please elaborate. What is Chet showing you to make you say he can be a future MVP candidate?

How polished he is and his understanding of the game is way beyond his years especially for a big. So many little things go unnoticed being on a great young team

He doesn’t force anything yet can being 7ft 1, super unselfish, low turnover eco which is great for his size.

The shooting, handling, FT conversion, defensive awareness and shot blocking capacity and elite portability is all there

KD/Dirk together only had a couple of 20 FGA’s seasons and would be considered low usage superstars in relative terms (even more so today)

There’s hasn’t been a change when Shai is on vs off so far ORTG and efficiency wise and if it stays that way then watch out.

I honestly am more comfortable in Chet getting to his ceiling and potential than Wemby.

A KD/Dirk hybrid while being a top 10 defender is certainly MVP material in my eyes.

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Look at how easy and comfortable it is on court. Allowing 5 out offensive spread, two man games inside/out, concepts of spacing, shooting form, big man fundamentals it’s all there.

Yeah I do agree Chet is very poised and composed out there on the court and he is skilled.

I haven't seen him put the ball on the floor outside of about 3-4 dribbles when taking his man to create his own offense.

It's a spin to the hoop or turnaround.

His offense is reliant on Shai creating opportunities for him which is usually a kick out open 3.

He and Sengun have different offensive responsibilities and I'm not seeing Chet with the ability to be the main offensive hub.

He handles the ball in transition a bunch... but outside of that he's taking his man off the dribble multiple times a game, creating his own shot. I'm not sure what you expectation is. Sengun is not taking his man off the dribble as much as Chet

[CptCrunch]

Sengun is a whole tier above Chet.

Chet is amazing, but even a bonabide scrub C would look amazing playing with SGA, Williams and Giddey.

Chet basically gets to play pressure free risk free basketball. What he does doesn't matter that much. Sure he contributes to winning.

Sengun plays as the number one option. If he doesn't play well, his team doesn't win.

This is a seismic gap in responsibility. If one doesn't understand this, they would be inclined to vote for Chet

[DCasey91]

Wait what?

Please elaborate. What is Chet showing you to make you say he can be a future MVP candidate?

How polished he is and his understanding of the game is way beyond his years especially for a big. So many little things go unnoticed being on a great young team

He doesn’t force anything yet can being 7ft 1, super unselfish, low turnover eco which is great for his size.

The shooting, handling, FT conversion, defensive awareness and shot blocking capacity and elite portability is all there

KD/Dirk together only had a couple of 20 FGA’s seasons and would be considered low usage superstars in relative terms (even more so today)

There’s hasn’t been a change when Shai is on vs off so far ORTG and efficiency wise and if it stays that way then watch out.

I honestly am more comfortable in Chet getting to his ceiling and potential than Wemby.

A KD/Dirk hybrid while being a top 10 defender is certainly MVP material in my eyes.

Watch on YouTube

;pp=ygUOQ2hldCBob2xtZ3JlbiA%3D

Look at how easy and comfortable it is on court. Allowing 5 out offensive spread, two man games inside/out, concepts of spacing, shooting form, big man fundamentals it’s all there.

Yeah I do agree Chet is very poised and composed out there on the court and he is skilled.

I haven't seen him put the ball on the floor outside of about 3-4 dribbles when taking his man to create his own offense.

It's a spin to the hoop or turnaround.

His offense is reliant on Shai creating opportunities for him which is usually a kick out open 3.

He and Sengun have different offensive responsibilities and I'm not seeing Chet with the ability to be the main offensive hub.

You know who use to take 3-4 dribbles? Dirk.

Being 7ft 1 you don’t need all that. Chet is actually better than Wemby at putting the ball on the floor and iso situations because he’s so sound and being a better shooter.

I posted in a different thread in that Chet is way more advanced than someone like Porzingis age for age. Porzingis was dreadful anytime he put the ball on the floor (shot 40%) at the Mavs.

Check his Ortg without Shai on the court it’s the same and the TS% is fractionally higher.

[WillyJakkz]

Passing/Playmaking, Post up game, Ball handling Sengun clearly better.

Sengun is a better playmaker and has a better post up game. Chet is a better ball handler but Chet is SO much more efficient shooting the ball

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Also couldnt find many of Sengun's euro step dribbles , Dude literally takes the ball at 3pt line most of the time and dribble pass the players untill the rim and you think some 7'1 guy better than him at ball handling ?

I don't want to bash Chet but I will speak facts when there's a misrepresentation.

Chet doesn't have nowhere near the handle or savviness with the basketball.

Not sure how that is not clearly evident.

[Primedeion]

Discrediting Chet for doing more with more is just moronic. Newsflash: it's HARDER to have great impact on great teams.

[WillyJakkz]

My opinion hasn't really changed. Both are really good, young players with upside. Chet might have more upside but its a close comparison right now. Sengun is obviously worse defensively but he is a pretty good defender, there is a reason the Rockets rank 4th on D.

People seem to forget that Chet is playing in a much more favorable situation. Do people really think he would maintain his current efficiency if he wasn't playing with SGA?

Actually I was wrong on only one prediction for Chet so far which is his health. He has impressed me with 36/36 games played. I hope he stays healthy for the future.

Since 2023/12/04 Chet has been shooting 65% on two pointers, and has created 40% of his 2 point shots. He has taken 117 drives since December 4th, that is more drives than Jimmy Buckets. He has taken more drives in 1 month than most bigs take all season.

He can bring bigs out to the 3 point line since hes averaging 40% on 4 threes a game and then roasts them in the mid range and by driving. I wouldn't believe he could sustain his current true shooting percentage since it's comparable to prime KD and Curry's TS%, but given his BBIQ and unicorn status, he definitely would be able to get buckets on a decent percentage.

I'm thrilled with him so far. Elite rim protecting big who is shooting 40% on four 3pa/g, and averaging 18ppg on 62% TS.

What are you comparing his drives vs Jimmy Butler for? Jimmy has missed plenty of games. That makes no sense.

Why not a head up comparison.

And even then you have to take into account he's playing with SGA so of course it makes it easier to drive etc when the defense is keyed on Shai...

[DCasey91]

Sengun is a whole tier above Chet.

Chet is amazing, but even a bonabide scrub C would look amazing playing with SGA, Williams and Giddey.

Chet basically gets to play pressure free risk free basketball. What he does doesn't matter that much. Sure he contributes to winning.

Sengun plays as the number one option. If he doesn't play well, his team doesn't win.

This is a seismic gap in responsibility. If one doesn't understand this, they would be inclined to vote for Chet

You are underselling him. He his by far the second most important player on that team and the best defensive piece. His offensive prowess allows 5 out all the time.

Derrick white is getting his flowers, Lopez at the Bucks same with Khris, CP3 at the Suns years ago

You don’t think for arguments sake a top3 team in the West at the end of the season the second best player shouldn’t get his plaudits?

Believe a scrub C would be amazing at the OKC you can definitely believe that doesn’t make it true

At the end of the day it’s the players responsibility to make the right decisions regardless if 4 Jeff Teagues or 4 Lebron’s are with you.

Pressure free? Please

It is wrong to create such a diatribe of cr*p just to illustrate a point.

Take a look at without Shai on the court there’s no difference lol.

[DCasey91]

My opinion hasn't really changed. Both are really good, young players with upside. Chet might have more upside but its a close comparison right now. Sengun is obviously worse defensively but he is a pretty good defender, there is a reason the Rockets rank 4th on D.

People seem to forget that Chet is playing in a much more favorable situation. Do people really think he would maintain his current efficiency if he wasn't playing with SGA?

Actually I was wrong on only one prediction for Chet so far which is his health. He has impressed me with 36/36 games played. I hope he stays healthy for the future.

Since 2023/12/04 Chet has been shooting 65% on two pointers, and has created 40% of his 2 point shots. He has taken 117 drives since December 4th, that is more drives than Jimmy Buckets. He has taken more drives in 1 month than most bigs take all season.

He can bring bigs out to the 3 point line since hes averaging 40% on 4 threes a game and then roasts them in the mid range and by driving. I wouldn't believe he could sustain his current true shooting percentage since it's comparable to prime KD and Curry's TS%, but given his BBIQ and unicorn status, he definitely would be able to get buckets on a decent percentage.

I'm thrilled with him so far. Elite rim protecting big who is shooting 40% on four 3pa/g, and averaging 18ppg on 62% TS.

What are you comparing his drives vs Jimmy Butler for? Jimmy has missed plenty of games. That makes no sense.

Why not a head up comparison.

And even then you have to take into account he's playing with SGA so of course it makes it easier to drive etc when the defense is keyed on Shai...

Posters need to stop using Shai as the fallback. It’s lazy seriously it takes 2 mins to check Chet is ultra impressive when they are not sharing the floor.

[WillyJakkz]

Sengun is a whole tier above Chet.

Chet is amazing, but even a bonabide scrub C would look amazing playing with SGA, Williams and Giddey.

Chet basically gets to play pressure free risk free basketball. What he does doesn't matter that much. Sure he contributes to winning.

Sengun plays as the number one option. If he doesn't play well, his team doesn't win.

This is a seismic gap in responsibility. If one doesn't understand this, they would be inclined to vote for Chet

You are underselling him. He his by far the second most important player on that team and the best defensive piece. His offensive prowess allows 5 out all the time.

Derrick white is getting his flowers, Lopez at the Bucks same with Khris, CP3 at the Suns years ago

You don’t think for arguments sake a top3 team in the West at the end of the season the second best player shouldn’t get his plaudits?

Believe a scrub C would be amazing at the OKC you can definitely believe that doesn’t make it true

At the end of the day it’s the players responsibility to make the right decisions regardless if 4 Jeff Teagues or 4 Lebron’s are with you.

Pressure free? Please

It is wrong to create such a diatribe of cr*p just to illustrate a point.

Take a look at without Shai on the court there’s no difference lol.

For what you are describing as OKC now being able to be a "5 Out Team" let me ask you this and I am coming from a place of liking Chet while also being realistic about SGA improving.

How good would OKC be w/ Daniel Theis at C?

Do you think they'd be far far worse (Play In or miss the Playoffs tier) or do you think they'd be Top 4 or a PO team still?

Because you're factoring Chet but not factoring in SGA improving to damn near elite mode OR Jaylin Williams improving offensively as well. (The good J Williams if I misspelled his name cause they have 2 ) and you're dismissing SGA improving and crediting Chet for him to now be able to be the SGA we see now.

[DCasey91]

Sengun is a whole tier above Chet.

Chet is amazing, but even a bonabide scrub C would look amazing playing with SGA, Williams and Giddey.

Chet basically gets to play pressure free risk free basketball. What he does doesn't matter that much. Sure he contributes to winning.

Sengun plays as the number one option. If he doesn't play well, his team doesn't win.

This is a seismic gap in responsibility. If one doesn't understand this, they would be inclined to vote for Chet

You are underselling him. He his by far the second most important player on that team and the best defensive piece. His offensive prowess allows 5 out all the time.

Derrick white is getting his flowers, Lopez at the Bucks same with Khris, CP3 at the Suns years ago

You don’t think for arguments sake a top3 team in the West at the end of the season the second best player shouldn’t get his plaudits?

Believe a scrub C would be amazing at the OKC you can definitely believe that doesn’t make it true

At the end of the day it’s the players responsibility to make the right decisions regardless if 4 Jeff Teagues or 4 Lebron’s are with you.

Pressure free? Please

It is wrong to create such a diatribe of cr*p just to illustrate a point.

Take a look at without Shai on the court there’s no difference lol.

For what you are describing as OKC now being able to be a "5 Out Team" let me ask you this and I am coming from a place of liking Chet while also being realistic about SGA improving.

How good would OKC be w/ Daniel Theis at C?

Do you think they'd be far far worse (Play In or miss the Playoffs tier) or do you think they'd be Top 4 or a PO team still?

Because you're factoring Chet but not factoring in SGA improving to damn near elite mode OR Jaylin Williams improving offensively as well. (The good J Williams if I misspelled his name cause they have 2 ) and you're dismissing SGA improving and crediting Chet for him to now be able to be the SGA we see now.

Seriously what do you think? From my eye borderline playoff team (which is great btw for such a young team).

Tell me where u can find an elite rim protector and elite defensive presence that’s shoots out the wazoo across the board, low turnover eco% and F all usage? His PORT is outrageous because of his two way ability and legit no maintenance of a system from the start. The only flaw is rebounding ability everything is as good as you possible get at this stage

Don’t ever put words into my mouth piss off I’m pointing out the laziness and poor critical thinking. If you actually understood what I’m saying you’d understand this

SGA is bloody brilliant, Chet is fantastic both are the 2 most integral players on this team without a shadow of a doubt

Last paragraph tells me your being disingenuous no thanks have a good day.

[SeattleJazzFan]

chet's skillset is incredible. those trying to discredit him for playing with sga, should probably stop watching basketball (assuming they do at all). chet is 7', long, athletic, can handle, shoot from distance, defend on and off ball, protect the rim. the dude can do it all - his greatness has nothing to do with who he plays with.

also, sengun is very nice. it's incredibly close. chet might have the higher ceiling just due to long range shooting and athleticism (sengun obviously the superior passer). but as of now, it's about a wash.