NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (Part 3: Son of Daughter of MVP thread)

[Cubbies2120]

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Lovely for a mod to be mocking a player’s injuries.

Who said anything about injuries?

Embiid is CURRENTLY injured, yes…but he could be referring to any of the dozens of games he’s missed in his career due to load management or “soreness”.

Not once did he reference “I need a guy who is always injured”…you jumped to that conclusion.

[Baz]

So any little rumblings about Tatum I expect will die now (I didn't watch the game please leave me alone Celtics fans)

[mediocrityrules]

So any little rumblings about Tatum I expect will die now (I didn't watch the game please leave me alone Celtics fans)

Not sure that one great game or two is swaying the top guys at the moment. Look at the ridiculous play from the contenders over their last 10 games: -

Jokic - TS% - 80.6%, averaging 22.7/10.1/8.7
SGA - TS% - 70.8%, averaging 32.8/6.2/6.4
Giannis - TS% - 67.1%, averaging 32.3/12.8/7.1
Luka - TS% - 60.9%, averaging 35.8/7.7/9.2

(Embiid - TS% - 67.5%, averaging 37.3/12.5/5.0) - probably won't qualify

Tatum has a TS% of 63.1%, averaging 27.6/7.3/5.2.

Tatum is a step below the other contenders.

[RB34]

So any little rumblings about Tatum I expect will die now (I didn't watch the game please leave me alone Celtics fans)

Terrible loss for Tatum and the Celtics buts it’s a lose lose for him regardless. 35/9/5 so far in January on 52% from the field and 56% from 3 but his candidacy ends with this game?

I think some people forget their own contenders got beat by Utah by 37 and lost to the Ja-less Grizzlies by 20.

[Gatorade Sax]

No horse in this race, but SGA currently has a bunch of kids at the top of the west. Plays both ends very well. It’s him right now.

[mediocrityrules]

So any little rumblings about Tatum I expect will die now (I didn't watch the game please leave me alone Celtics fans)

Terrible loss for Tatum and the Celtics buts it’s a lose lose for him regardless. 35/9/5 so far in January on 52% from the field and 56% from 3 but his candidacy ends with this game?

I think some people forget their own contenders got beat by Utah by 37 and lost to the Ja-less Grizzlies by 20.

It's just the fact that Tatum is below the top contenders and when you're already behind, games like the one against the Bucks (especially going against a fellow contender) don't help. Looking at your January sample size only among the top contenders: -

Giannis (6 games) has a TS% of 66.7%, and is averaging 32.8/13.7/7.5.
Joker (5 games) has a TS% of 82.9%, and is averaging 21.4/8.4/9.2.
SGA (6 games) has a TS% of 69.7%, and is averaging 32.3/6.8/6.3.
Luka (4 games) has a TS% of 58.5%, and is averaging 31.3/6.0/8.3.
Embiid (2 games) TS% of 56.9%, and averaging 30.5/12.5/6.5.

Tatum (5 games) has a TS% of 69.3%, and is averaging 30.0/8.0/4.8

Tatum hasn't been playing badly, but the guys above him have been playing amazing basketball.

[HoopsterJones]

So any little rumblings about Tatum I expect will die now (I didn't watch the game please leave me alone Celtics fans)

Terrible loss for Tatum and the Celtics buts it’s a lose lose for him regardless. 35/9/5 so far in January on 52% from the field and 56% from 3 but his candidacy ends with this game?

I think some people forget their own contenders got beat by Utah by 37 and lost to the Ja-less Grizzlies by 20.

It's just the fact that Tatum is below the top contenders and when you're already behind, games like the one against the Bucks (especially going against a fellow contender) don't help. Looking at your January sample size only among the top contenders: -

Giannis (6 games) has a TS% of 66.7%, and is averaging 32.8/13.7/7.5.
Joker (5 games) has a TS% of 82.9%, and is averaging 21.4/8.4/9.2.
SGA (6 games) has a TS% of 69.7%, and is averaging 32.3/6.8/6.3.
Luka (4 games) has a TS% of 58.5%, and is averaging 31.3/6.0/8.3.
Embiid (2 games) TS% of 56.9%, and averaging 30.5/12.5/6.5.

Tatum (5 games) has a TS% of 69.3%, and is averaging 30.0/8.0/4.8

Tatum hasn't been playing badly, but the guys above him have been playing amazing basketball.

Agreed. Tatum is a very good player who’s top 10-12 IMO. But he’s not even close to the top 7 in MVP discussion this season.

[rzzzzz]

Embiid has already missed 9 game games, i think he's going to miss out on the games played requirement.

Yeah, the new guidelines puts him out of the running from here on out. Since his days at Kansas, Jo’s body has proved too fragile to withstand the stress of his own girth. I’d still like to see him go the Kareem route of yoga/stretching to add some flexibility to the equation, but Kareem was also built a lot more slender. (Which only goes to show just how hearty Shaq was to be able to play with such abandon.)

[Cubbies2120]

Jokic in the last 7 games:

62/73 FG
5/6 3PT
23/27 FT

[Ron Swanson]

The Tatum stuff just reminds me of the Booker narrative a couple years ago. Like, sorry, just because your team has the best record doesn't automatically make you a top MVP candidate. Tatum's a great player, but he's not on the tier of the true franchise-carrying superstars right now (Jokic, Giannis, SGA, Embiid, Luka) and that's not an insult. The current NBA Mt. Rushmore is just ridiculously stacked right now.

[Woodsanity]

So any little rumblings about Tatum I expect will die now (I didn't watch the game please leave me alone Celtics fans)

Terrible loss for Tatum and the Celtics buts it’s a lose lose for him regardless. 35/9/5 so far in January on 52% from the field and 56% from 3 but his candidacy ends with this game?

I think some people forget their own contenders got beat by Utah by 37 and lost to the Ja-less Grizzlies by 20.

Well his candidacy never started to begin with so no it didn't end with this game if he was never a top 5 contender to begin with.

[Woodsanity]

The Tatum stuff just reminds me of the Booker narrative a couple years ago. Like, sorry, just because your team has the best record doesn't automatically make you a top MVP candidate. Tatum's a great player, but he's not on the tier of the true franchise-carrying superstars right now (Jokic, Giannis, SGA, Embiid, Luka) and that's not an insult. The current NBA Mt. Rushmore is just ridiculously stacked right now.

He can win in a weak mvp season like D Rose did but right now the competition is tougher than ever.

[RB34]

Lotta people get on their high horse as soon as someone other than their favourite gets mentioned. I didn’t say Tatum was the favourite or even top 3, just that he deserved a mention.

I’ve said the same thing for multiple other players so far this season.

[GeorgeSears]

Embiid is about to miss another, that makes it 7 left... I thought this race was a done deal, and It might still very well be, but it's not interesting.

[Young gun 6]

Jokic
SGA
Embiid (games factor)
Giannis

My top 4 atm.

SGA is playing slightly better than last year but the impact of Chet has been insane, as well as Jalen Williams improvement.

Giannis arguably has a worse supporting cast with Dame, Brook and Middleton than SGA does with Chet, Jalen, Giddey this season. On name brand they don’t but those 3 have definitely been far better than bucks 3.

Giannis should probably be getting more attention.

[GeorgeSears]

Anyone heard from eyeatoma? He seems a bit quiet lately. Hope he's OK.

[Exp0sed]

Embiid has already missed 9 game games, i think he's going to miss out on the games played requirement.

Yeah, the new guidelines puts him out of the running from here on out. Since his days at Kansas, Jo’s body has proved too fragile to withstand the stress of his own girth. I’d still like to see him go the Kareem route of yoga/stretching to add some flexibility to the equation, but Kareem was also built a lot more slender. (Which only goes to show just how hearty Shaq was to be able to play with such abandon.)

he's gonna be 30 soon, it's very likely that his pity, fake MVP will remain the only one he'll ever have, as he is less likely to meet the minimum GP with every season as he ages

[Infinite Llamas]

The Tatum stuff just reminds me of the Booker narrative a couple years ago. Like, sorry, just because your team has the best record doesn't automatically make you a top MVP candidate. Tatum's a great player, but he's not on the tier of the true franchise-carrying superstars right now (Jokic, Giannis, SGA, Embiid, Luka) and that's not an insult. The current NBA Mt. Rushmore is just ridiculously stacked right now.

As someone who has watched every game of Brown and Tatums career, it’s hard at this point to not realize that they are both sort of holding the other back. Their games don’t compliment the other at all and both are rarely “on” the same game. Their skill sets often seem redundant and while they struggle with different things…Brown with playmaking and ball handling and Tatum with an often perplexing shot selection, they do little to help the other when one is playing poorly.

Tatum does a lot of incredible things but he’s also moody and prone to slumps. Some nights he looks like a world beater and other nights he looks like a solid all star. I just think it’s a mindset thing with him and maybe being on consistent Celtic teams loaded with talent has had an effect on things too. He’s never had to put a team on his back for long stretches of time and that’s why it might seem like his game has plateaued a bit. I’ve always wondered what his game would look like if Brown had to miss a month or something…how aggressive would he become?

Fantastic player all in all, but not consistent enough to truly be in that MVP tier with other guys shouldering more of a load.

[Jaqua92]

Anyone who thinks Tatum isn't a top 6, 7 player in the NBA is disingenuous, or simply unreliable when it comes to any basketball opinion.

He's an elite player, good enough to be #1 on a title winner, and is the best player in the NBA who isn't a legit top tier MVP guy. Jokic, Giannis, Luka, Curry and Embiid are definitely better.

Tatum has as good of an argument as anyone else after that. And that includes SGA despite him having a better season in this MASSIVE sample of 35 regular season games


But Tatum is clearly not MVP caliber right now. Tatum, SGA, who are close, are without question a tier below Jokic, Giannis, Curry, Embiid and Luka as players, regardless of the season.


Jokic is the MVP though.

Also, where's Eyetoma?

[AleksandarN]

I kid I kid

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Lovely for a mod to be mocking a player’s injuries.

Who said anything about injuries?

Embiid is CURRENTLY injured, yes…but he could be referring to any of the dozens of games he’s missed in his career due to load management or “soreness”.

Not once did he reference “I need a guy who is always injured”…you jumped to that conclusion.

ANOTHER question why was Embiid stat padding while injured during the Knicks game. It was dumb on him and 76ers organization. Playing on an injured knee just to pad stats. Short sided and dumb