NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (Part 4: MVP Thread's Revenge)

[timO]

SGA most overrated player in the nba. Okc had had the same starting lineup 46 times this season, mavs had i think it was 29 different due injuries. Maybe okc stay healthy all season, but i doubt it. Only like 5 wins more then mavs, i wouldnt be surprised if mavs end up ahead of okc

u are play in team, last year not even

try to qualify play-in, then win play-in first boy

[Sgt Major]

But if you watch him, you realize he is in another tier than SGA. In the Joker one, for that regard

Not really, he's in a tier below.

[Exp0sed]

SGA most overrated player in the nba. Okc had had the same starting lineup 46 times this season, mavs had i think it was 29 different due injuries. Maybe okc stay healthy all season, but i doubt it. Only like 5 wins more then mavs, i wouldnt be surprised if mavs end up ahead of okc

Kinda hoping Dallas gets OKC in the playoffs. Probably one of the only teams they're actually match well in size.

Also SGA vs Luka would be good.

yeah, OKC could be very dangerous to anyone but the Mavs game was no fluke, it's a horrible matchup for them they'll get bounced in 5 by the Mavs

[Exp0sed]

Luka will not be MVP this year, but he will get his, that boy is a generational talent just like Joker.
SGA, and Embiid are amazing talents but not like the above two.
Ant is the one I am watching, will he be in the first or the second group? Time will tell.

this 100%

he does have a theorethical path to win it this year, Kyrie has missed half the season and alot of games missed from other starters which hurt the Mavs more than most because they had fewer legit NBA rotation guys in the rotation

Gafford and PJ fix that issue, Kleber is back and playing well (he's missed most of the season), if Kyrie and Luka stay healthy Mavs can go on a run, the West is crazy and they're only like 5 games back from the leading pack

OKC and Minny have been dropping some games lately, a small injury here and there and those losses can start piling up

this version of the Mavs with Gafford and a backup C in Lively plus PJ with Luka who is just on another offensive level (just like Jokic) and Kyrie in prime form isn't going to drop any games to bottom or middling teams, their offense is too good

you don't lose to scrub teams when you put up 128 pts on the board and I expect them to be closer to 10th defensively with this rotation, let's say 10th-12th. Gafford is a pretty decent rim protector and a great rebounder and they'll have him and Lively soakng up 48 mins - that's a huge upgrade. it allows Luka to use his i.q more and gamble (knowing they're not totally exposed behind him) and he and Kyrie have actually been defending really well

so all this "they're a play-in team" is disingieus as the West is so tight and they haven't been healthy. what's their record when Luka and Kyrie both play and how often has that happened this season?

now let's say all this happens and they're 2nd or 3rd in the West with Luka averaging 33/9/10 while playing above average defense and providing three or four highlight reel plays and clutch plays every other game - he'll def be in the convo and for good reason

like u said, he's a generational talent. his I.Q and court vision are simply off the charts (just like Jokic) and jus like the Joker it comes coupled with a mad level of skill. he's toying with defenders..he's been extremely dominant and that matters alot for MVP considerations

[timO]

mavs are a play-in team all year, u win 4 in a row and you are talking about mvps, winning it all and bla bla fantasy VII

[Bob8]

mavs are a play-in team all year, u win 4 in a row and you are talking about mvps, winning it all and bla bla fantasy VII

6 games from the first with Kyrie missing 22 games, Lively 17, Exum 21, Kleber 35, Green 13.., 30 different starting lineups, looks pretty solid to me. Their remaining schedule difficulty is 28th and they got 2 pretty important additions. Their odds look pretty solid, if they stay healthy of course.

[Wolfgang630]

If the Mavs can pull up to a higher seed I’ll have no issue with Luka winning mvp.

[timO]

mavs are a play-in team all year, u win 4 in a row and you are talking about mvps, winning it all and bla bla fantasy VII

6 games from the first with Kyrie missing 22 games, Lively 17, Exum 21, Kleber 35, Green 13.., 30 different starting lineups, looks pretty solid to me. Their remaining schedule difficulty is 28th and they got 2 pretty important additions. Their odds look pretty solid, if they stay healthy of course.

2 games from the 10, 4 from the 11...

only Kyrie is relevant, and is normal he misses 20-30 games every season so... not a surprise

kleber is a f... scrub omg, same the others...

[Bob8]

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mavs are a play-in team all year, u win 4 in a row and you are talking about mvps, winning it all and bla bla fantasy VII

6 games from the first with Kyrie missing 22 games, Lively 17, Exum 21, Kleber 35, Green 13.., 30 different starting lineups, looks pretty solid to me. Their remaining schedule difficulty is 28th and they got 2 pretty important additions. Their odds look pretty solid, if they stay healthy of course.

only Kyrie is relevant, and is normal he misses 20-30 games every season so... not a surprise

kleber is a f... scrub omg, same the others...

All of those named were playing multiple games as starters.

Lively was even more important than Kyrie, because he was the only decent C. Exum was playing great and was a starter before injury.

Kleber is playing great after return.

Don't you think that playing different starting lineups is not exactly optimal. OKC has played 46x times with the same starting lineup for example.

Mavs with 1 of the easiest remaining schedule, Suns the most difficult, Kings 5th most difficult...

[juanc]

mavs are a play-in team all year, u win 4 in a row and you are talking about mvps, winning it all and bla bla fantasy VII

6 games from the first with Kyrie missing 22 games, Lively 17, Exum 21, Kleber 35, Green 13.., 30 different starting lineups, looks pretty solid to me. Their remaining schedule difficulty is 28th and they got 2 pretty important additions. Their odds look pretty solid, if they stay healthy of course.

2 games from the 10, 4 from the 11...

only Kyrie is relevant, and is normal he misses 20-30 games every season so... not a surprise

kleber is a f... scrub omg, same the others...

BASKETBALL IS FIRST AND FOREMOST AN INDIVIDUAL SPORT!!! MAYBE SOMETIMES IT'S 2 PEOPLE WHO MATTER, EVERYONE ELSE IS JUST A SPECTATOR!!!

Timo knows it boys

[timO]

6 games from the first with Kyrie missing 22 games, Lively 17, Exum 21, Kleber 35, Green 13.., 30 different starting lineups, looks pretty solid to me. Their remaining schedule difficulty is 28th and they got 2 pretty important additions. Their odds look pretty solid, if they stay healthy of course.

only Kyrie is relevant, and is normal he misses 20-30 games every season so... not a surprise

kleber is a f... scrub omg, same the others...

All of those named were playing multiple games as starters.

Lively was even more important than Kyrie, because he was the only decent C. Exum was playing great and was a starter before injury.

Kleber is playing great after return.

Don't you think that playing different starting lineups is not exactly optimal. OKC has played 46x times with the same starting lineup for example.

Mavs with 1 of the easiest remaining schedule, Suns the most difficult, King 5th most difficult...

no because mavs doesnt have 5 starters

they have 1 most years, and 2-3 at most

dallas is doncic+scrubs, its been like that 6-7 years?

even brunson comes on the bench

[timO]

6 games from the first with Kyrie missing 22 games, Lively 17, Exum 21, Kleber 35, Green 13.., 30 different starting lineups, looks pretty solid to me. Their remaining schedule difficulty is 28th and they got 2 pretty important additions. Their odds look pretty solid, if they stay healthy of course.

2 games from the 10, 4 from the 11...

only Kyrie is relevant, and is normal he misses 20-30 games every season so... not a surprise

kleber is a f... scrub omg, same the others...

BASKETBALL IS FIRST AND FOREMOST AN INDIVIDUAL SPORT!!! MAYBE SOMETIMES IT'S 2 PEOPLE WHO MATTER, EVERYONE ELSE IS JUST A SPECTATOR!!!

Timo knows it boys

dallas is basically that in the doncic era

porzingis was half injuried, brunson off the bench, kyrie is another injury prone etc

is doncic+4 scrubs ramdonly starting or off the bench

ist curious mavs fans doesnt even know how your team works with the doncic system era

bullock DFS kleber powell starters

mavs dont play starters man since 2011

[Bob8]

only Kyrie is relevant, and is normal he misses 20-30 games every season so... not a surprise

kleber is a f... scrub omg, same the others...

All of those named were playing multiple games as starters.

Lively was even more important than Kyrie, because he was the only decent C. Exum was playing great and was a starter before injury.

Kleber is playing great after return.

Don't you think that playing different starting lineups is not exactly optimal. OKC has played 46x times with the same starting lineup for example.

Mavs with 1 of the easiest remaining schedule, Suns the most difficult, King 5th most difficult...

no because mavs doesnt have 5 starters

they have 1 most years, and 2-3 at most

dallas is doncic+scrubs, its been like 6-7 years?

I would imagine that Luka is still rather playing with Kyrie, Lively, Exum, Green, DJJ than others.

[timO]

All of those named were playing multiple games as starters.

Lively was even more important than Kyrie, because he was the only decent C. Exum was playing great and was a starter before injury.

Kleber is playing great after return.

Don't you think that playing different starting lineups is not exactly optimal. OKC has played 46x times with the same starting lineup for example.

Mavs with 1 of the easiest remaining schedule, Suns the most difficult, King 5th most difficult...

no because mavs doesnt have 5 starters

they have 1 most years, and 2-3 at most

dallas is doncic+scrubs, its been like 6-7 years?

I would imagine that Luka is still rather playing with Kyrie, Lively, Exum, Green, DJJ than others.

many times bench players of mavs are better than their "starters"

hardaway is his second guy many times, and comes off the bench, brunson era too etc

[Bob8]

no because mavs doesnt have 5 starters

they have 1 most years, and 2-3 at most

dallas is doncic+scrubs, its been like 6-7 years?

I would imagine that Luka is still rather playing with Kyrie, Lively, Exum, Green, DJJ than others.

many times bench players of mavs are better than their "starters"

hardaway is his second guy many times, and comes off the bench, brunson era too etc

I would still imagine that available "bench" player is better than injured.

[sisibilio]

Luka has to be 3rd and pushing SGA for second position.

He ranks between 4th and 12th in the advanced stats, has the worst on/off of anny candidate, and even with the win today, his team’s still in play-in position. Why pray tell does he “have to” be in the top 3? Because he does the flashiest stuff when you watch the ball? I really can’t see any coherent case for him ahead of Jokić, SGA, or Giannis, and I wouldn’t have him ahead of Kawhi either.

Maybe team position has something's to do with Mavs injuries? OKC has played with the same starting lineup the most times in Nba, Mavs the least. Kyrie missing 22 games alone.

Like things are looking today, Mavs with pretty easy schedule and if they stay healthy, they can easily finish 5th and OKC 4th. And I doubt very much that OKC would be a favourite in that series. And I doubt even less than those +/- will have any kind of meaning in that series.

Even more important than the absences of Irving were those of Lively since they had zero depth, Powell is a decent 3rd string C at best and Holmes all around terrible. Without Lively Mavs needed Luka in god mode just to survive.
22/14 record with Lively and 8/9 without him.
Now with Kleber finally back and the addition of Gafford things are much more balanced.

IWith Joel out of the picture, and barring more injuries, i think this is a 2 man race, if the Mavs record isn't too far from the Nuggets it's a coin toss between them, otherwise Jokic wins in a landslide.

[Bob8]

He ranks between 4th and 12th in the advanced stats, has the worst on/off of anny candidate, and even with the win today, his team’s still in play-in position. Why pray tell does he “have to” be in the top 3? Because he does the flashiest stuff when you watch the ball? I really can’t see any coherent case for him ahead of Jokić, SGA, or Giannis, and I wouldn’t have him ahead of Kawhi either.

Maybe team position has something's to do with Mavs injuries? OKC has played with the same starting lineup the most times in Nba, Mavs the least. Kyrie missing 22 games alone.

Like things are looking today, Mavs with pretty easy schedule and if they stay healthy, they can easily finish 5th and OKC 4th. And I doubt very much that OKC would be a favourite in that series. And I doubt even less than those +/- will have any kind of meaning in that series.

Even more important than the absences of Irving were those of Lively since they had zero depth, Powell is a decent 3rd string C at best and Holmes all around terrible. Without Lively Mavs needed Luka in god mode just to survive.
22/14 record with Lively and 8/9 without him.
Now with Kleber finally back and the addition of Gafford things are much more balanced.

IWith Joel out of the picture, and barring more injuries, i think this is a 2 man race, if the Mavs record isn't too far from the Nuggets it's a coin toss between them, otherwise Jokic wins in a landslide.

Yes, Lively was crucial, Gafford makes things much easier for Mavs.

I don't believe that Luka cares much about MVP, he was used winning in Europe, so he's hungry for wins and that makes Mavs very dangerous.

[Crunch 99]

The Mavs could be great down the stretch, but imo, they've already dug too big a hole and mountain to climb in the standings to get Luka a serious shot to win the MVP. Maybe Luka will win it next season. There is no question whether Luka has the necessary talent to win the award.

[juanc]

The Mavs could be great down the stretch, but imo, they've already dug too big a hole and mountain to climb in the standings to get Luka a serious shot to win the MVP. Maybe Luka will win it next season. There is no question whether Luka has the necessary talent to win the award.

1 Game behind the 5th seed, 6,5 behind Minny @1. Also 3rd easiest SOS remaining. I think there's a possibility they finish top4 if they stay healthy

[Wolfgang630]

The Mavs could be great down the stretch, but imo, they've already dug too big a hole and mountain to climb in the standings to get Luka a serious shot to win the MVP. Maybe Luka will win it next season. There is no question whether Luka has the necessary talent to win the award.

1 Game behind the 5th seed, 6,5 behind Minny @1. Also 3rd easiest SOS remaining. I think there's a possibility they finish top4 if they stay healthy

The narrative will strongly move in his favor then if they get to top 4