NBA Cup 2024 (Congratulations NBA Cup Champion Bucks)

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Who wins the NBA Cup Championship?

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Re: NBA Cup 2024 (Championship Tuesday Dec 17: MIL vs OKC) 

Post#141 » by bbms » Mon Dec 16, 2024 12:21 am

old skool wrote:It will take some time for the cup to be a big deal. Early on it feels cute. Somewhat interesting. A curiosity. Not a significant competition. Games are more important in the context of the regular season standings than in the tournament.

That will change over time, when star players are measured by who has the most cup trophies, finals appearances etc.


i agree
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Re: NBA Cup 2024 (Semifinals Saturday Dec 14) 

Post#142 » by falcolombardi » Mon Dec 16, 2024 5:29 am

slick_watts wrote:the cup finals being outside the scheduling continuum is so stupid. this is basically a preseason game with some window dressing. i get it that there's a cash prize for the players but no one will ever really take the results of the nba cup seriously enough to have a finals that doesn't 'matter'. my idea- give the nba cup winner an automatic tiebreaker in the standings.


I am guessing the reason is the schedule
Nba schedule is supposed to have every team play each other at least twice, so that every team visits every other team at least once for inter conference games

Nba cup final is in las vegas meaning it would be a 3rd game between teams of different conferences so it complicated schedule making as in order to have that gane count you need to eliminate some other game fron the teams own conference (vs someone they play at least 3 times)

But nba teams sometimes struggle with fitting all their gsmes more than you would expect as there are other thinghs going on their arenas
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Re: NBA Cup 2024 (Championship Tuesday Dec 17: MIL vs OKC) 

Post#143 » by dhsilv2 » Mon Dec 16, 2024 2:24 pm

But the real question. What color will the courts be?
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Re: NBA Cup 2024 (Championship Tuesday Dec 17: MIL vs OKC) 

Post#144 » by AussieBuck » Mon Dec 16, 2024 8:24 pm

Nice little finals preview.
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Re: NBA Cup 2024 (Championship Tuesday Dec 17: MIL vs OKC) 

Post#145 » by BigGargamel » Mon Dec 16, 2024 8:42 pm

It doesn't seem like a tournament though. The execution needs to be better. It just seems like regular season games are played, then randomly you have a few teams that go to Vegas to actually play in a tournament. It just seems way too random.
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Re: NBA Cup 2024 (Championship Tuesday Dec 17: MIL vs OKC) 

Post#146 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Mon Dec 16, 2024 8:55 pm

Definitely needs to be some kind of actual incentive outside of a small amount of cash to make this worthwhile.
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Re: NBA Cup 2024 (Semifinals Saturday Dec 14) 

Post#147 » by DutchManDanFan » Mon Dec 16, 2024 10:54 pm

slick_watts wrote:the cup finals being outside the scheduling continuum is so stupid. this is basically a preseason game with some window dressing. i get it that there's a cash prize for the players but no one will ever really take the results of the nba cup seriously enough to have a finals that doesn't 'matter'. my idea- give the nba cup winner an automatic tiebreaker in the standings.

It is ment to be a cup final. It's new for Americans, but common for all Europeans. It's not an extra (knock out) competition (yet), like in Europe, but mostly part of the regular competition, except for the final. I think that's very smart for introducing this. For now only 1 extra game for 2 teams who can play a big game. If you're in a final you want to win it. And if you're in the semi final you want to reach to final. That's how it works with competitive people. But it takes some years before it might get seperated from the regular season. I would think that's the plan eventually.

I'm quite sure Giannis wants to win this pretty bad. It's not a coincidence the Bucks went 6-0 in cup games this year (and 5-1 last year). It's a nice bonus these games count for the regular season as well. Really great!
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Re: NBA Cup 2024 (Championship Tuesday Dec 17: MIL vs OKC) 

Post#148 » by DutchManDanFan » Mon Dec 16, 2024 11:13 pm

BigGargamel wrote:It doesn't seem like a tournament though. The execution needs to be better. It just seems like regular season games are played, then randomly you have a few teams that go to Vegas to actually play in a tournament. It just seems way too random.

It looks random if you don't follow the games that count for this competition as well. The only problem is that if you lose one game, most likely you're eliminated. And you wont care much about the other cup matches in the group stage. That's why it's better to make it a knock out tournament without the group stages.
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Re: NBA Cup 2024 (Semifinals Saturday Dec 14) 

Post#149 » by BigGargamel » Mon Dec 16, 2024 11:40 pm

DutchManDanFan wrote:
slick_watts wrote:the cup finals being outside the scheduling continuum is so stupid. this is basically a preseason game with some window dressing. i get it that there's a cash prize for the players but no one will ever really take the results of the nba cup seriously enough to have a finals that doesn't 'matter'. my idea- give the nba cup winner an automatic tiebreaker in the standings.

It is ment to be a cup final. It's new for Americans, but common for all Europeans. It's not an extra (knock out) competition (yet), like in Europe, but mostly part of the regular competition, except for the final. I think that's very smart for introducing this. For now only 1 extra game for 2 teams who can play a big game. If you're in a final you want to win it. And if you're in the semi final you want to reach to final. That's how it works with competitive people. But it takes some years before it might get seperated from the regular season. I would think that's the plan eventually.

I'm quite sure Giannis wants to win this pretty bad. It's not a coincidence the Bucks went 6-0 in cup games this year (and 5-1 last year). It's a nice bonus these games count for the regular season as well. Really great!


It's clear that Silver has a hard on for how they do things in Europe, but this is an American sport. I'm not trying to be typical conceited American, but no one here cares about stuff like this. No one cares if it doesn't impact the standings or is a playoff game. I know exhibition games are popular in soccer, but here, no one is ever really going to care. Especially with the current format, taking place in the middle of December, and causing the regular season games to mostly stop for over a week.

I know the logistics of bringing 30 teams to Las Vegas is impossible, but having a single elimination tournament over a couple weeks around the All Star break would be infinitely better than whatever this thing is supposed to be.

If Denver made it to the finals of this thing I'd be more annoyed that Jokic had to play two more games than the fact that my team could win a meaningless tournament. I bet the coaching staff feels the same way.
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Re: NBA Cup 2024 (Semifinals Saturday Dec 14) 

Post#150 » by DutchManDanFan » Tue Dec 17, 2024 6:10 am

BigGargamel wrote:It's clear that Silver has a hard on for how they do things in Europe, but this is an American sport. I'm not trying to be typical conceited American, but no one here cares about stuff like this. No one cares if it doesn't impact the standings or is a playoff game. I know exhibition games are popular in soccer, but here, no one is ever really going to care. Especially with the current format, taking place in the middle of December, and causing the regular season games to mostly stop for over a week.

I know the logistics of bringing 30 teams to Las Vegas is impossible, but having a single elimination tournament over a couple weeks around the All Star break would be infinitely better than whatever this thing is supposed to be.

If Denver made it to the finals of this thing I'd be more annoyed that Jokic had to play two more games than the fact that my team could win a meaningless tournament. I bet the coaching staff feels the same way.

You don't care, I get that. But get your facts correct if you make statements like this. It's only 1 extra game, the regular season didn't stop a week and cup games are popular in Europe, not exhibition games. And cup finals are special for fans, players and coaches. It's a cultural thing, that's true. But there's nothing wrong trying to start with something that is a big succes somewhere else. So you are just a typical conceited American.
Maybe you're right and it won't catch fire in the States. But if you never try, you never know.
I think you will be wrong. If fans see the players trying their best to win this cup (they will) the fans will like this as well.

For many people changes are difficult though.
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Re: NBA Cup 2024 (Championship Tuesday Dec 17: MIL vs OKC) 

Post#151 » by Lo Wang » Tue Dec 17, 2024 6:13 am

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:Definitely needs to be some kind of actual incentive outside of a small amount of cash to make this worthwhile.


How about homecourt advantage for the team that won? Instead of using regular season games, the winner gets homecourt advantage
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Re: NBA Cup 2024 (Championship Tuesday Dec 17: MIL vs OKC) 

Post#152 » by DutchManDanFan » Tue Dec 17, 2024 7:57 am

Lo Wang wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:Definitely needs to be some kind of actual incentive outside of a small amount of cash to make this worthwhile.


How about homecourt advantage for the team that won? Instead of using regular season games, the winner gets homecourt advantage

No. The incentive must be to win a cup. Most team don't have much chance to win the championship. Some teams have never won and may never will. This one is easier to win although most likely some of the best teams will compete for it in the final. And that is also great.
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Re: NBA Cup 2024 (Championship Tuesday Dec 17: MIL vs OKC) 

Post#153 » by Lo Wang » Tue Dec 17, 2024 9:16 am

DutchManDanFan wrote:
Lo Wang wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:Definitely needs to be some kind of actual incentive outside of a small amount of cash to make this worthwhile.


How about homecourt advantage for the team that won? Instead of using regular season games, the winner gets homecourt advantage

No. The incentive must be to win a cup. Most team don't have much chance to win the championship. Some teams have never won and may never will. This one is easier to win although most likely some of the best teams will compete for it in the final. And that is also great.


Huh?

Thunder and Bucks are in the finals?
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Re: NBA Cup 2024 (Championship Tuesday Dec 17: MIL vs OKC) 

Post#154 » by Lo Wang » Tue Dec 17, 2024 9:17 am

This forum is so weird. We have 5 threads about how good OKC is on the 1st page and they're still losing.
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Re: NBA Cup 2024 (Championship Tuesday Dec 17: MIL vs OKC) 

Post#155 » by Jaqua92 » Tue Dec 17, 2024 4:12 pm

Lo Wang wrote:This forum is so weird. We have 5 threads about how good OKC is on the 1st page and they're still losing.


That's because the threads are made by the same 2 people
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Re: NBA Cup 2024 (Championship Tuesday Dec 17: MIL vs OKC) 

Post#156 » by Lo Wang » Tue Dec 17, 2024 4:27 pm

Jaqua92 wrote:
Lo Wang wrote:This forum is so weird. We have 5 threads about how good OKC is on the 1st page and they're still losing.


That's because the threads are made by the same 2 people


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Re: NBA Cup 2024 (Championship Tuesday Dec 17: MIL vs OKC) 

Post#157 » by DirtybirdGA » Tue Dec 17, 2024 4:33 pm

Nothing wrong with a standalone game tonight, but I don't get not having games Wednesday. is this a mini All-star break? I wonder if teams will be out of rhythm with this thing so stretched out.
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Re: NBA Cup 2024 (Championship Tuesday Dec 17: MIL vs OKC) 

Post#158 » by strokerace » Tue Dec 17, 2024 4:58 pm

DirtybirdGA wrote:Nothing wrong with a standalone game tonight, but I don't get not having games Wednesday. is this a mini All-star break? I wonder if teams will be out of rhythm with this thing so stretched out.

I'm not a huge fan the this Cup thing in general but my real dislike is what it does to the regular season schedule. Maybe some of the players like having so much time off but it also compresses the rest of the overall schedule. It just necessitates more back to backs.
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Re: NBA Cup 2024 (Championship Tuesday Dec 17: MIL vs OKC) 

Post#159 » by EmpireFalls » Tue Dec 17, 2024 7:25 pm

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DirtybirdGA wrote:Nothing wrong with a standalone game tonight, but I don't get not having games Wednesday. is this a mini All-star break? I wonder if teams will be out of rhythm with this thing so stretched out.

I'm not a huge fan the this Cup thing in general but my real dislike is what it does to the regular season schedule. Maybe some of the players like having so much time off but it also compresses the rest of the overall schedule. It just necessitates more back to backs.

There are actually fewer back to backs in the NBA Cup era calendar than in previous years

10 years ago teams averaged 19 B2Bs per team. NINETEEN! Now they only average 14.

https://www.nba.com/nbabet/trends-on-back-to-back-sets-league-details-for-the-2023-24-season
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Re: NBA Cup 2024 (Championship Tuesday Dec 17: MIL vs OKC) 

Post#160 » by Effigy » Tue Dec 17, 2024 9:44 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but this game doesn't matter, right? It doesn't count in the standings?

I'll be honest, if I'm the Bucks I'd sit Dame and Giannis and Middleton. Why make them play a game that doesn't matter at all? With the history of those 3 guys, I feel like the odds of one of them getting hurt tonight are really high.

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