Thunder is scary good

[sashaturiaf]

Flawed logic. Better scorer doesn't not mean more skilled. You have to be able to get points whenever you want and need them in the final minutes when every possession counts.

What is the criteria?

Shaq, for example, can get more points off of brute force, but I don't think he is a better scorer than KD.

KD can score on all 3 levels with 100 more moves than Shaq.

The eye test is my proof, which is the most accurate scientific process.

Stats can be manipulated.

Your basis for your point was most skilled = best scorer. This logic is wrong. It's a combination of skill, strength, physical attributes, and clutch in the final minutes. Shaq could score but his free throw was awful so they invented hack a Shaq to stop him from scoring in the final minutes. Skill isn't the be all end all of scoring but it is a factor. What makes KD so good is he is a great tall shooter. He could shoot over most guys guarding him and doesn't need all the moves that Shai needs to get a shot off. KD can just jump high and get his shot off.

You can't be the best scorer when you shoot free throws like Shaq. Sure it's still 1 point a possession but you don't want to give that option to your opponents to use at their discretion. Nobody fears Shaq down the stretch since they can just foul him to limit the damage when can do.

[Sweet Serenity]

The Celtics fans are becoming Raptors fans 2.0 of the Kawhi year. Where basically you are only allowed to say they are the GOAT and best of everything or you're wrong lol. What I find funny about it is... they literally were the Mavs pre 2011 of the east! 5 years banging their head on the ECSF and ECF wall over and over being called a choke. But they finally figure it out and now they are they blueprint!

I get it, Boston is the most storied franchise in the NBA along with the Lakers, and they are an amazing team.. but chill. They won it.. and may very well win again but I don't think they will. Last year's run in the playoffs they played some banged up teams no? No Jimmy Butler, Duncan or Richardson vs Miami, then Jarrett Allen out entire series and Mitchell hurt vs Cleveland.. Haliburton and Mathurin etc. Like the Celtics were incredibly lucky with health outside of the typical Porzingis injury.

My guess is they win in 2024 even against those teams healthy but not the 16-3 or whatever or by the margins they did. More like 16-8 to 16-10 I'm guessing.

Are you hearing yourself ?
Bringing up guys like Duncan Robinson & Josh Richardson to diminish the Celtics title run while at the same time diminishing the absence of KP.

If all you guys are going to do is bring up the injuries for the teams we beat, we’re more than allowed to bring up the KP injury.

[RB34]

The Celtics fans are becoming Raptors fans 2.0 of the Kawhi year. Where basically you are only allowed to say they are the GOAT and best of everything or you're wrong lol. What I find funny about it is... they literally were the Mavs pre 2011 of the east! 5 years banging their head on the ECSF and ECF wall over and over being called a choke. But they finally figure it out and now they are they blueprint!

I get it, Boston is the most storied franchise in the NBA along with the Lakers, and they are an amazing team.. but chill. They won it.. and may very well win again but I don't think they will. Last year's run in the playoffs they played some banged up teams no? No Jimmy Butler, Duncan or Richardson vs Miami, then Jarrett Allen out entire series and Mitchell hurt vs Cleveland.. Haliburton and Mathurin etc. Like the Celtics were incredibly lucky with health outside of the typical Porzingis injury.

My guess is they win in 2024 even against those teams healthy but not the 16-3 or whatever or by the margins they did. More like 16-8 to 16-10 I'm guessing.

What a ludicrous post. Have a look at how many threads you’ve made recently, anointing the Thunder.

I see you managed to leave out the finals series too. You know the one that everyone on here picked the Mavs winning in 6.

The entire season the media and people on this forum exclaimed that the Celtics run depended on the health of KP. We lost him in the first round and still won.

People seem to lose all sense when talking about the Celtics. Have a look back at all the hate threads from last season.

[Ugly0598]

All about the stupid-ass cheesy women. Worthless basketball team.

[OkcSinceSGA]

The Celtics fans are becoming Raptors fans 2.0 of the Kawhi year. Where basically you are only allowed to say they are the GOAT and best of everything or you're wrong lol. What I find funny about it is... they literally were the Mavs pre 2011 of the east! 5 years banging their head on the ECSF and ECF wall over and over being called a choke. But they finally figure it out and now they are they blueprint!

I get it, Boston is the most storied franchise in the NBA along with the Lakers, and they are an amazing team.. but chill. They won it.. and may very well win again but I don't think they will. Last year's run in the playoffs they played some banged up teams no? No Jimmy Butler, Duncan or Richardson vs Miami, then Jarrett Allen out entire series and Mitchell hurt vs Cleveland.. Haliburton and Mathurin etc. Like the Celtics were incredibly lucky with health outside of the typical Porzingis injury.

My guess is they win in 2024 even against those teams healthy but not the 16-3 or whatever or by the margins they did. More like 16-8 to 16-10 I'm guessing.

What a ludicrous post. Have a look at how many threads you’ve made recently, anointing the Thunder.

I see you managed to leave out the finals series too. You know the one that everyone on here picked the Mavs winning in 6.

The entire season the media and people on this forum exclaimed that the Celtics run depended on the health of KP. We lost him in the first round and still won.

People seem to lose all sense when talking about the Celtics. Have a look back at all the hate threads from last season.

I actually haven’t been making many. I just respond. But KP is basically Kawhi and Embiid tier. He’s always injured so nobody counts it because it’s 50/50 any given time. Not to mention Boston needs and depends on KP a hell of a lot less than those teams do the players.

[doogie_hauser]

The Celtics fans are becoming Raptors fans 2.0 of the Kawhi year. Where basically you are only allowed to say they are the GOAT and best of everything or you're wrong lol. What I find funny about it is... they literally were the Mavs pre 2011 of the east! 5 years banging their head on the ECSF and ECF wall over and over being called a choke. But they finally figure it out and now they are they blueprint!

I get it, Boston is the most storied franchise in the NBA along with the Lakers, and they are an amazing team.. but chill. They won it.. and may very well win again but I don't think they will. Last year's run in the playoffs they played some banged up teams no? No Jimmy Butler, Duncan or Richardson vs Miami, then Jarrett Allen out entire series and Mitchell hurt vs Cleveland.. Haliburton and Mathurin etc. Like the Celtics were incredibly lucky with health outside of the typical Porzingis injury.

My guess is they win in 2024 even against those teams healthy but not the 16-3 or whatever or by the margins they did. More like 16-8 to 16-10 I'm guessing.

What a ludicrous post. Have a look at how many threads you’ve made recently, anointing the Thunder.

I see you managed to leave out the finals series too. You know the one that everyone on here picked the Mavs winning in 6.

The entire season the media and people on this forum exclaimed that the Celtics run depended on the health of KP. We lost him in the first round and still won.

People seem to lose all sense when talking about the Celtics. Have a look back at all the hate threads from last season.

I actually haven’t been making many. I just respond. But KP is basically Kawhi and Embiid tier. He’s always injured so nobody counts it because it’s 50/50 any given time. Not to mention Boston needs and depends on KP a hell of a lot less than those teams do the players.

Which team did you support before SGA came to The Thunder ? You seem to be a turncoat fan, one I cannot take seriously

I have supported the Celtics since 1992, seen a lot of crap/painful seasons and moments (as a fan), ifs only since 2007 things turned around for me.

There really was times in the bleak mid-late 90s/early 00s I never thought I would live to see another Celtics championship, but no matter what, I always loved them and would/will stick to them till I die.

I cried so much when I was 13 years old when I found out Reggie Lewis passed away

I have no ill will towards OKC or its fans btw aside from the distasteful way the owners and Stern stole the team from Seattle (again which is not the fans fault I should add)

But a fan like you, who seems like a bandwagon jumper cause of your favourite player, I ain't got time for that (just I don't have any for Bronsexuals who follow Lebron from team to team)

Also the Celtics won most of their playoff and finals games last season without KP playing.

You may want to tone down the anti Celtics rhetoric a notch is all I am saying.
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[RB34]

The Celtics fans are becoming Raptors fans 2.0 of the Kawhi year. Where basically you are only allowed to say they are the GOAT and best of everything or you're wrong lol. What I find funny about it is... they literally were the Mavs pre 2011 of the east! 5 years banging their head on the ECSF and ECF wall over and over being called a choke. But they finally figure it out and now they are they blueprint!

I get it, Boston is the most storied franchise in the NBA along with the Lakers, and they are an amazing team.. but chill. They won it.. and may very well win again but I don't think they will. Last year's run in the playoffs they played some banged up teams no? No Jimmy Butler, Duncan or Richardson vs Miami, then Jarrett Allen out entire series and Mitchell hurt vs Cleveland.. Haliburton and Mathurin etc. Like the Celtics were incredibly lucky with health outside of the typical Porzingis injury.

My guess is they win in 2024 even against those teams healthy but not the 16-3 or whatever or by the margins they did. More like 16-8 to 16-10 I'm guessing.

What a ludicrous post. Have a look at how many threads you’ve made recently, anointing the Thunder.

I see you managed to leave out the finals series too. You know the one that everyone on here picked the Mavs winning in 6.

The entire season the media and people on this forum exclaimed that the Celtics run depended on the health of KP. We lost him in the first round and still won.

People seem to lose all sense when talking about the Celtics. Have a look back at all the hate threads from last season.

I actually haven’t been making many. I just respond. But KP is basically Kawhi and Embiid tier. He’s always injured so nobody counts it because it’s 50/50 any given time. Not to mention Boston needs and depends on KP a hell of a lot less than those teams do the players.

Oh got it. Injuries to key players don’t count for the Celtics.

I should have known that considering Tatum gets slandered for losing in the ECF in his rookie year, with Kyrie and GH injured.

The Thunder have looked great without Chet so I’m assuming the same rules apply?

[OkcSinceSGA]

What a ludicrous post. Have a look at how many threads you’ve made recently, anointing the Thunder.

I see you managed to leave out the finals series too. You know the one that everyone on here picked the Mavs winning in 6.

The entire season the media and people on this forum exclaimed that the Celtics run depended on the health of KP. We lost him in the first round and still won.

People seem to lose all sense when talking about the Celtics. Have a look back at all the hate threads from last season.

I actually haven’t been making many. I just respond. But KP is basically Kawhi and Embiid tier. He’s always injured so nobody counts it because it’s 50/50 any given time. Not to mention Boston needs and depends on KP a hell of a lot less than those teams do the players.

Which team did you support before SGA came to The Thunder ? You seem to be a turncoat fan, one I cannot take seriously

I have supported the Celtics since 1992, seen a lot of crap/painful seasons and moments (as a fan), ifs only since 2007 things turned around for me.

There really was times in the bleak mid-late 90s/early 00s I never thought I would live to see another Celtics championship, but no matter what, I always loved them and would/will stick to them till I die.

I cried so much when I was 13 years old when I found out Reggie Lewis passed away

I have no ill will towards OKC or its fans btw aside from the distasteful way the owners and Stern stole the team from Seattle (again which is not the fans fault I should add)

But a fan like you, who seems like a bandwagon jumper cause of your favourite player, I ain't got time for that (just I don't have any for Bronsexuals who follow Lebron from team to team)

Also the Celtics won most of their playoff and finals games last season without KP playing.

You may want to tone down the anti Celtics rhetoric a notch is all I am saying.
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You joined the forum in 2024. Not sure you know what a “bandwagon” fan is.

[doogie_hauser]

I actually haven’t been making many. I just respond. But KP is basically Kawhi and Embiid tier. He’s always injured so nobody counts it because it’s 50/50 any given time. Not to mention Boston needs and depends on KP a hell of a lot less than those teams do the players.

Which team did you support before SGA came to The Thunder ? You seem to be a turncoat fan, one I cannot take seriously

I have supported the Celtics since 1992, seen a lot of crap/painful seasons and moments (as a fan), ifs only since 2007 things turned around for me.

There really was times in the bleak mid-late 90s/early 00s I never thought I would live to see another Celtics championship, but no matter what, I always loved them and would/will stick to them till I die.

I cried so much when I was 13 years old when I found out Reggie Lewis passed away

I have no ill will towards OKC or its fans btw aside from the distasteful way the owners and Stern stole the team from Seattle (again which is not the fans fault I should add)

But a fan like you, who seems like a bandwagon jumper cause of your favourite player, I ain't got time for that (just I don't have any for Bronsexuals who follow Lebron from team to team)

Also the Celtics won most of their playoff and finals games last season without KP playing.

You may want to tone down the anti Celtics rhetoric a notch is all I am saying.
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You joined the forum in 2024. Not sure you know what a “bandwagon” fan is.

You didn't answer my question. I have been a Celtics fan since 1992. Realgm wasn't around then

[165bows]

Thunder seem really good.

This thread seems like *** tho.

[um.]

but what about jokic?

[Blame Rasho]

People were saying this about Boston mid-late season, late season long before they won a title (how historically dominant they were playing). I understand that the job isn't finished, and it's 25 games, I'm just expressing that to this point they are doing it. Although... they have been without Chet a while, I'm not quite sure why you expect it not to be sustained? Again though, I'm not knocking Boston here.. I was correcting someone else who claimed they have a 15 net rating.

Well they lost to the Spurs without their top 4 players, but that is just me… pretty sure that Boston didn’t have a bad loss like that in their resume.

No one cares about a stupid rating in Dec except people who have proven nothing but you do you…

The same people that use these sample size arguments will literally disregard the preceding evidence showing otherwise. Last year they were a 7.5 net rating/SRS team. Not Boston level, but still #2 in the league and dominant (most title winners for example fall in the 5-8 range historically). They won 57 games and were top 5 on offense and defense. This year Jalen has taken a big leap, their young role players have all improved, they added Caruso+ Hartenstein, both huge positive impact guys.

So why is taking a sizable leap in net rating/SRS or anything needing more than a 25 game sample size to say they have been dominant? 25 games isn't really small anyway.. it's 30% of the season. We set these odd arbitrary rules of when we are allowed to call something a word like dominant or bust etc... but none of it holds up to actual scrutiny. Some of these outcomes are VERY predictable.

Well that was a blah blah blah reply but you didn’t even remotely address my point that I highlighted.

If you are going to rely to someone, reply to what they said or just don’t quote them.

[wegotthabeet]

Thunder seem really good.

This thread seems like *** tho.

This thread is ****.

Boston vs OKC is the most likely Finals outcome. Would be a great series if it happens.

[Jaqua92]

The Celtics fans are becoming Raptors fans 2.0 of the Kawhi year. Where basically you are only allowed to say they are the GOAT and best of everything or you're wrong lol. What I find funny about it is... they literally were the Mavs pre 2011 of the east! 5 years banging their head on the ECSF and ECF wall over and over being called a choke. But they finally figure it out and now they are they blueprint!

I get it, Boston is the most storied franchise in the NBA along with the Lakers, and they are an amazing team.. but chill. They won it.. and may very well win again but I don't think they will. Last year's run in the playoffs they played some banged up teams no? No Jimmy Butler, Duncan or Richardson vs Miami, then Jarrett Allen out entire series and Mitchell hurt vs Cleveland.. Haliburton and Mathurin etc. Like the Celtics were incredibly lucky with health outside of the typical Porzingis injury.

My guess is they win in 2024 even against those teams healthy but not the 16-3 or whatever or by the margins they did. More like 16-8 to 16-10 I'm guessing.

This is essentially what you guys are doing lol

[ellobo]

Give me back Ihart.

While we're lamenting players who got away from the Knicks, I badly wanted us to draft Shai and was thrilled when he was available for us to pick at number 9. Not only did I expect him to be great, but he's a guy I just love to watch play the game.

Oh, well...at least we got Kevin Knox .

[OkcSinceSGA]

The Celtics fans are becoming Raptors fans 2.0 of the Kawhi year. Where basically you are only allowed to say they are the GOAT and best of everything or you're wrong lol. What I find funny about it is... they literally were the Mavs pre 2011 of the east! 5 years banging their head on the ECSF and ECF wall over and over being called a choke. But they finally figure it out and now they are they blueprint!

I get it, Boston is the most storied franchise in the NBA along with the Lakers, and they are an amazing team.. but chill. They won it.. and may very well win again but I don't think they will. Last year's run in the playoffs they played some banged up teams no? No Jimmy Butler, Duncan or Richardson vs Miami, then Jarrett Allen out entire series and Mitchell hurt vs Cleveland.. Haliburton and Mathurin etc. Like the Celtics were incredibly lucky with health outside of the typical Porzingis injury.

My guess is they win in 2024 even against those teams healthy but not the 16-3 or whatever or by the margins they did. More like 16-8 to 16-10 I'm guessing.

This is essentially what you guys are doing lol

I plead the 5th.

[OkcSinceSGA]

Well they lost to the Spurs without their top 4 players, but that is just me… pretty sure that Boston didn’t have a bad loss like that in their resume.

No one cares about a stupid rating in Dec except people who have proven nothing but you do you…

The same people that use these sample size arguments will literally disregard the preceding evidence showing otherwise. Last year they were a 7.5 net rating/SRS team. Not Boston level, but still #2 in the league and dominant (most title winners for example fall in the 5-8 range historically). They won 57 games and were top 5 on offense and defense. This year Jalen has taken a big leap, their young role players have all improved, they added Caruso+ Hartenstein, both huge positive impact guys.

So why is taking a sizable leap in net rating/SRS or anything needing more than a 25 game sample size to say they have been dominant? 25 games isn't really small anyway.. it's 30% of the season. We set these odd arbitrary rules of when we are allowed to call something a word like dominant or bust etc... but none of it holds up to actual scrutiny. Some of these outcomes are VERY predictable.

Well that was a blah blah blah reply but you didn’t even remotely address my point that I highlighted.

If you are going to rely to someone, reply to what they said or just don’t quote them.

Actually, I did; it was just not the way you wanted. What I was addressing was the key premise of "Nobody cares about stupid ratings in Dec," and I'm explaining how their dominance isn't just this season, but also last season... and that they are in the middle of a big leap, being the youngest team in the league. I also am asking why you think a 25-game sample is particularly small and what arbitrary number of games you think determines if it's real or not. But thank you for trying.

[Maxthirty]

Thunder are*

[Triple M]

Is dominating the season by regular season wins or srs the same indicators they were a few years ago, because excluding last year the last time the top team by wins or srs was the '17 Warriors.

18 Rockets #1 in wins and Net rating - didn't make the Finals
19 Bucks #1 in wins and Net rating - didn't make the Finals
20 Bucks #1 in wins and Net rating - didn't make the Confrence Finals
21 Jazz #1 in wins and Net rating - didn't make the Conference Finals
22 Suns #1 in wins and Net rating - didn't make the Conference Finals
23 Buck #1 in wins - didnt make the Conference Finals
23 Celtics #1 in Net rating - didnt make the Finals.

I dont think you can find a similar 6 year stretch in league history. It tells me that the league's parity has diminish the relationship between wins/net rating and actually winning the title.

Also i dont understand why this thread was necessary because most people on the GB were praising OKC in an organic way. The numbers OKC are putting up are impressive but do you honestly believe they are the best defense in modern era because i dont think anyone looks at the Celtics being a top 6 offense by numbers and think they are 100% acurare.

The underlying numbers seem a bit off to me.

[Blame Rasho]

The same people that use these sample size arguments will literally disregard the preceding evidence showing otherwise. Last year they were a 7.5 net rating/SRS team. Not Boston level, but still #2 in the league and dominant (most title winners for example fall in the 5-8 range historically). They won 57 games and were top 5 on offense and defense. This year Jalen has taken a big leap, their young role players have all improved, they added Caruso+ Hartenstein, both huge positive impact guys.

So why is taking a sizable leap in net rating/SRS or anything needing more than a 25 game sample size to say they have been dominant? 25 games isn't really small anyway.. it's 30% of the season. We set these odd arbitrary rules of when we are allowed to call something a word like dominant or bust etc... but none of it holds up to actual scrutiny. Some of these outcomes are VERY predictable.

Well that was a blah blah blah reply but you didn’t even remotely address my point that I highlighted.

If you are going to rely to someone, reply to what they said or just don’t quote them.

Actually, I did; it was just not the way you wanted. What I was addressing was the key premise of "Nobody cares about stupid ratings in Dec," and I'm explaining how their dominance isn't just this season, but also last season... and that they are in the middle of a big leap, being the youngest team in the league. I also am asking why you think a 25-game sample is particularly small and what arbitrary number of games you think determines if it's real or not. But thank you for trying.

I will repost what I said since you can’t grasp things and just being obtuse like the OP.

Well they lost to the Spurs without their top 4 players, but that is just me… pretty sure that Boston didn’t have a bad loss like that in their resume.

No one cares about a stupid rating in Dec except people who have proven nothing but you do you…