Change My View: The Bubble championship is the most pure championship ever

[MrPainfulTruth]

And if you want to be taken seriously, you should probably start by not criticizing someone via spouting obvious nonsense. No one in their right mind at this point would still try to argue that LeBron is some kind of choke artist in the postseason.

OK bro not gonna argue with the cult...

[Iwasawitness]

And if you want to be taken seriously, you should probably start by not criticizing someone via spouting obvious nonsense. No one in their right mind at this point would still try to argue that LeBron is some kind of choke artist in the postseason.

OK bro not gonna argue with the cult...

So the greatest elimination game performer of all time with the most playoff buzzer beaters in playoff history is a known choke artist?

You’re going to have a hard time having people take you seriously on this site with ass backwards logic like that.

[MavsDirk41]

And if you want to be taken seriously, you should probably start by not criticizing someone via spouting obvious nonsense. No one in their right mind at this point would still try to argue that LeBron is some kind of choke artist in the postseason.

OK bro not gonna argue with the cult...

So the greatest elimination game performer of all time with the most playoff buzzer beaters in playoff history is a known choke artist?

You’re going to have a hard time having people take you seriously on this site with ass backwards logic like that.

I wouldnt agree that James is the greatest elimination game performer of all time.

James has the most playoff buzzer beaters but Jordan has the most game winners in nba history.

[MavsDirk41]

Certainly it was the most healthy playoffs you will ever see. Most talent available on all sides.

Dragic missed the finals and Bam missed two games in the finals with an injury so no it wasnt the healthiest playoffs.

[YogurtProducer]

I agree with OP. This was a once in a generational championship that we've never witnessed circumstances like this ever. Having to wear masks off the court and being isolated from family and friends too. No social life or clubbing. The mental strain off the court coupled with the physical strain on the court..It's without a doubt the most difficult championship in NBA history and the Lakers organization and their fans should be celebrated forever in basketball lore with an eternal legacy.

I will disagree it was the most difficult. Every single team faced those same challenges.

I'd argue most difficult would be the 1995 Rockets who were the lower seed in every round and never had HCA throughout an entire playoff run. Much more difficult than a neutral site.

[MrPainfulTruth]

And if you want to be taken seriously, you should probably start by not criticizing someone via spouting obvious nonsense. No one in their right mind at this point would still try to argue that LeBron is some kind of choke artist in the postseason.

OK bro not gonna argue with the cult...

So the greatest elimination game performer of all time with the most playoff buzzer beaters in playoff history is a known choke artist?

You’re going to have a hard time having people take you seriously on this site with ass backwards logic like that.

I have debunked that s**t already. All time stats for a guy who has played a ton more seasons are nothing impressive and we all saw his "legendary" performances. I for one wont be fooled into believing hand picked misleading stats over my own two eyes

BTW what is your excuse for him never performing in the dunk contest while showboating on every layup line for 20 years, since he is the clutchest athlete in the history of the universe? Amuse us

Watch on YouTube

[bledredwine]

OK bro not gonna argue with the cult...

So the greatest elimination game performer of all time with the most playoff buzzer beaters in playoff history is a known choke artist?

You’re going to have a hard time having people take you seriously on this site with ass backwards logic like that.

I wouldnt agree that James is the greatest elimination game performer of all time.

James has the most playoff buzzer beaters but Jordan has the most game winners in nba history.

There's a full analysis of their percentages of various clutch situations and it's not close- Jordan wins hands down.

My signature is also a real stat. One thing you never saw is Jordan putting his team in a vulnerable situation, like losing a championship as Lebron did in 2011 or nearly having the same thing happen before Bosh's rebound and Allen's 3 in the 2013 finals. Right before that, Lebron had also bricked a 3, by the way. How about Durant dominating him in clutch scoring in the finals? Not to mention a higher PPG than Lebron in their career head to head matchups.

Never let the cult influence you. It'll be old news in 5-10 years.

[Joao Saraiva]

It is as pure as any other championship. Lakers won fair and square and they deserved it. Wish Utah did it but the Donovan/Gobert duo was too busy losing leads in series that they shouldn't. Oh well.

[Iwasawitness]

OK bro not gonna argue with the cult...

So the greatest elimination game performer of all time with the most playoff buzzer beaters in playoff history is a known choke artist?

You’re going to have a hard time having people take you seriously on this site with ass backwards logic like that.

I have debunked that s**t already. All time stats for a guy who has played a ton more seasons are nothing impressive and we all saw his "legendary" performances. I for one wont be fooled into believing hand picked misleading stats over my own two eyes

BTW what is your excuse for him never performing in the dunk contest while showboating on every layup line for 20 years, since he is the clutchest athlete in the history of the universe? Amuse us

Watch on YouTube

First off, you haven’t debunked anything.

Second, THIS is your proof? A video from one of the most well known LeBron haters whose videos are usually full of holes and easy to debunk? Yeah, not wasting further time on another obvious troll.

Oh and just an FYI, that person you're referencing? And the people who agree with it? THAT is an actual cult, one that we frequently make fun of on this site. Again, if you're going to come in making these wild claims, you'd better have something substantial to back it up, otherwise you're just going to get laughed out of the site.

Alright, onto the ignore list you go.

[Iwasawitness]

OK bro not gonna argue with the cult...

So the greatest elimination game performer of all time with the most playoff buzzer beaters in playoff history is a known choke artist?

You’re going to have a hard time having people take you seriously on this site with ass backwards logic like that.

I wouldnt agree that James is the greatest elimination game performer of all time.

James has the most playoff buzzer beaters but Jordan has the most game winners in nba history.

If he isn’t then who is? LeBron’s elimination game performances are basically on a mountain compared to everyone else’s.

And the most playoff buzzer beaters was to prove a point regarding him being a known choke artist, which is obviously a false statement. If I’m comparing him vs Jordan, I’d still say Jordan’s more clutch. But not being more clutch than Jordan doesn’t mean you aren’t clutch in general.

[MavsDirk41]

So the greatest elimination game performer of all time with the most playoff buzzer beaters in playoff history is a known choke artist?

You’re going to have a hard time having people take you seriously on this site with ass backwards logic like that.

I wouldnt agree that James is the greatest elimination game performer of all time.

James has the most playoff buzzer beaters but Jordan has the most game winners in nba history.

If he isn’t then who is? LeBron’s elimination game performances are basically on a mountain compared to everyone else’s.

And the most playoff buzzer beaters was to prove a point regarding him being a known choke artist, which is obviously a false statement. If I’m comparing him vs Jordan, I’d still say Jordan’s more clutch. But not being more clutch than Jordan doesn’t mean you aren’t clutch in general.

Im not saying James isnt clutch or a great elimination game performer, although his performance in the 4th quarters of the 2011 finals was very poor, but im not taking him over Jordan in either scenario.

[Impuniti]

That's nonsense. Crowds change the level of pressure one feels during games, especially for players who play better with home or who have to deal with away crowds. On top of that, it's true that it helps when everyone is fit. But another aspect both physically and mentally that players deal with is playing the playoffs at the end of the season. Your ability to shine despite dealing with the physical/mental aspect all year is another barrier players have to deal with, that they didn't that season.

Saying that, it also doesn't disqualify the championship like a lot of fans nowaday attempt to do (mostly to discredit Lebron because they don't like him).

[Edrees]

The reasoning is simple. The playing field was dead even every game. Neither team had home court. Home court advantage is a REAL thing. The odds show it. That could be because of the gone team being more comfortable and getting cheered, or because refs unconsciously have slight bias towards the home team because of the pressure of the crowd.

NEITHER team had home court. It was completely fair in that aspect. One team doesn't have to sleep in hotels while the other got to sleep in their cozy mansion. Neither had the burden of traveling. The resting and traveling conditions were identical.

The bubble year was the most even playing field ever. All conditions were equal for the teams. Never before have the conditions been so equal. That's what makes it the purest championship ever.

Not just that but the Lakers WOULD have had home court. So they technically played with a disadvantage every series they would not have had if Covid never happened.

[TheCage4]

You're wrong. Mind changed.

[BasketballAnon]

It's the asterisk title for a reason:

- Teams didn't play the same amount of games that season.

- Team didn't play the same amount of home games that season and teams are more likely to win home games.

- Some teams were just not allowed to compete for a chance at the playoffs.

- Many players didn't play due to covid concerns

- Teams planned on playing x amount of games. Had they known it would be a lesser number of games, players may have rushed to come back sooner, players may not have been kept out as long, there may have been less garbage time play and less rookies/younger players may have played amongst other things.

- It is unknown what would have happened if the season had been completed as scheduled. More injuries, maybe a team gets hot/cold and other things could have happened.

[SK21209]

I'm fine with an "asterisk" in the sense that there's important context. There was a global pandemic and the playoffs were conducted differently than in any other year. But don't try to tell me that the 2020 Lakers weren't the best team in the league, because they were. There's no good reason to think anything other than a Lakers championship would have happened had the rest of the season played out normally.

[Iwasawitness]

I wouldnt agree that James is the greatest elimination game performer of all time.

James has the most playoff buzzer beaters but Jordan has the most game winners in nba history.

If he isn’t then who is? LeBron’s elimination game performances are basically on a mountain compared to everyone else’s.

And the most playoff buzzer beaters was to prove a point regarding him being a known choke artist, which is obviously a false statement. If I’m comparing him vs Jordan, I’d still say Jordan’s more clutch. But not being more clutch than Jordan doesn’t mean you aren’t clutch in general.

Im not saying James isnt clutch or a great elimination game performer, although his performance in the 4th quarters of the 2011 finals was very poor, but im not taking him over Jordan in either scenario.

That’s fine, truth be told it doesn’t really matter who you prefer. It’s perfectly logical to prefer Jordan, he’s done more than enough to give you valid reasons to do so. But at this point for people to still try to claim that LeBron is a playoff choker? You are straight lying, which is what the other guy is doing.

[Djoker]

It is as pure as any other championship. Lakers won fair and square and they deserved it. Wish Utah did it but the Donovan/Gobert duo was too busy losing leads in series that they shouldn't. Oh well.

This. It's as pure as any other championship. No asterisk or anything like that.

They faced weak opposition to win it but a lot of other teams did as well.

[Edrees]

It's the asterisk title for a reason:

- Teams didn't play the same amount of games that season.

- Team didn't play the same amount of home games that season and teams are more likely to win home games.

- Some teams were just not allowed to compete for a chance at the playoffs.

- Many players didn't play due to covid concerns

- Teams planned on playing x amount of games. Had they known it would be a lesser number of games, players may have rushed to come back sooner, players may not have been kept out as long, there may have been less garbage time play and less rookies/younger players may have played amongst other things.

- It is unknown what would have happened if the season had been completed as scheduled. More injuries, maybe a team gets hot/cold and other things could have happened.

- Teams didn't play the same amount of games in the following season due to covid either. So if you don't add an asterisk there, you are hypocritical.

-The following season, many teams didn't have fans in attendance in their home games, including playoffs. Teams with fans in their home stadiums are likely to win home games.

- Even more players missed playoffs games in the following season due to covid. Because people weren't locked down players and coaches were actually getting covid in large numbers compared to the bubble where only a few players sat out of the bubble. ONE OF THE FEW WHO STAYED HOME WAS A KEY ROTATION PLAYER ON THE LAKERS.

-- It is also unknown what would have happened if the following season had been completed as scheduled. More injuries, maybe a team gets hot/cold and other things could have happened.

So if you don't put an Asterisk on the following season (Bucks championship) as well you are just a hater. Do you have an asterisk on the bucks championship?

Many of these points also apply to the Spurs 1999 championship due to the lockout shortened season. Got an asterisk there as well?

[MavsDirk41]

It is as pure as any other championship. Lakers won fair and square and they deserved it. Wish Utah did it but the Donovan/Gobert duo was too busy losing leads in series that they shouldn't. Oh well.

This. It's as pure as any other championship. No asterisk or anything like that.

They faced weak opposition to win it but a lot of other teams did as well.

Im not saying it shouldn’t count but how in the world is it more “pure” than Boston winning the championship six months ago?

- played 82 regular season games and then started the playoffs without a 4 month break
- traveled
- played in front of fans instead of empty gyms