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Re: NBA: Minor League 

Post#141 » by meekrab » Fri Jan 17, 2025 6:21 pm

Couple hundred people travelling around the world playing in each city for two weeks at a time... where I come from that's called a circus.
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Post#142 » by sashaturiaf » Fri Jan 17, 2025 6:34 pm

What happened to the big 3 league? I miss the big 3 league as an alternative. With a few tweaks to make it more serious and less gimmicky it'd be great
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Post#143 » by old skool » Fri Jan 17, 2025 7:23 pm

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old skool wrote:I don't see the absence of a salary cap as a significant advantage for a pro basketball league. Isn't the NBA about the only basketball league with a salary cap. Can't all the leagues in Europe, China, South America et al pay their star players more than any NBA max contract?


They could but watered down talent wise. This league is 6 teams that all have concentrated talent, it's the only way it would work.
What is there about the "new" rival league that would make them more successful at offering $250-million salaries to concentrate star talent than any other league that is also not encumbered by a salary cap?

The absence of a salary cap is floated here as the huge advantage that could prey on an NBA vulnerability. But that "advantage" is shared by every other basketball league in the world. It is surely not unique.
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Post#144 » by Lalouie » Fri Jan 17, 2025 7:43 pm

they're realizing no one's going to hand labron a franchise just cuz he's lebron

it'll be easier to create a whole new league than getting past the front door at the club
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Post#145 » by SNPA » Fri Jan 17, 2025 8:06 pm

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old skool wrote:I don't see the absence of a salary cap as a significant advantage for a pro basketball league. Isn't the NBA about the only basketball league with a salary cap. Can't all the leagues in Europe, China, South America et al pay their star players more than any NBA max contract?


They could but watered down talent wise. This league is 6 teams that all have concentrated talent, it's the only way it would work.
What is there about the "new" rival league that would make them more successful at offering $250-million salaries to concentrate star talent than any other league that is also not encumbered by a salary cap?

The absence of a salary cap is floated here as the huge advantage that could prey on an NBA vulnerability. But that "advantage" is shared by every other basketball league in the world. It is surely not unique.

This is true but those other leagues are minor leagues. This is pitched more as a super league. The top 60-70 players only. In that context the no cap advantage becomes key. It’s how they extract the top players from the NBA.
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Post#146 » by SNPA » Fri Jan 17, 2025 8:13 pm

meekrab wrote:Couple hundred people travelling around the world playing in each city for two weeks at a time... where I come from that's called a circus.

An advantage of the F1 model is it avoids building costs. That’s the biggest single expense for NBA owners, it’s why they try to get public subsidies. In this F1 approach the league avoids all of that. In fact, the league if successful could get cities/corporations to pay it to use their building. It totally flips the paradigm.
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Post#147 » by jokeboy86 » Fri Jan 17, 2025 8:27 pm

Another thing to take into consideration is the attention this would get from talking heads/mainstream media if they were able to get star players.

The talking heads are already bemoaning the fact that the super team era is over and the fact that parody in the NBA is at an all time high. They feel the reason the league got popular is cause of star teams on the biggest markets, super teams and dynasties. Most of the TV networks only want to cover maybe 10 or so teams(all big market) tops as it is and also bemoan the fact that the big market teams cant do what they can in MLB and just gather all the talent than want and pay a tax. This is all about timing and the idea of this league is coming at an opportune time when the league is facing some challenges with a changing audience
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Post#148 » by zimpy27 » Fri Jan 17, 2025 8:28 pm

old skool wrote:
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old skool wrote:I don't see the absence of a salary cap as a significant advantage for a pro basketball league. Isn't the NBA about the only basketball league with a salary cap. Can't all the leagues in Europe, China, South America et al pay their star players more than any NBA max contract?


They could but watered down talent wise. This league is 6 teams that all have concentrated talent, it's the only way it would work.
What is there about the "new" rival league that would make them more successful at offering $250-million salaries to concentrate star talent than any other league that is also not encumbered by a salary cap?

The absence of a salary cap is floated here as the huge advantage that could prey on an NBA vulnerability. But that "advantage" is shared by every other basketball league in the world. It is surely not unique.


It's the concentration of talent that matters.

You add a $200m player to one of those leagues and you get talent dilution. It's a gimmick.

You get $200m player on each of 6 teams playing off against each other to crown the best, it's a sport you want to watch.
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Re: NBA: Minor League 

Post#149 » by Camby_Bamby » Fri Jan 17, 2025 8:38 pm

Should’ve did this during the Eastern Conference for the majority 2000-2020. Would’ve been interesting.
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Post#150 » by azcatz11 » Fri Jan 17, 2025 8:45 pm

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SNPA wrote:The reality is in the link. Seems you didn’t read it.

I’ll help you.

Here is the first sentence:
Maverick Carter is advising a group of investors seeking to raise $5 billion from private capital sources to form an international basketball league ro rival the NBA, reports Bloomberg.

Yes, we’ve all seen that.

Here is what you are struggling to understand: just because that is their goal, does not mean it’s attainable.

People can read. They can look at my posts. I’ve made several statements about it possibly not working.

Back to talking reality:

“UBS Group AG and Evercore Inc. have been tapped to help raise the money, which may come from wealthy individuals and institutional investors such as sovereign wealth funds, according to people who asked to not be identified as the information is private. Other backers include Skype co-founder Geoff Prentice, former Facebook executive Grady Burnett, and the investment firm SC Holdings, which is led by co-founders Jason Stein and Daniel Haimovic. Representatives for Carter, UBS, SC Holdings, Prentice and Burnett declined to comment. Evercore didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.”

lol. Some of ya’ll so scared of change you can’t even contempt its possibility when it’s literally written out for you.


I don't really see anything there. A couple of tech flame outs but nothing substantial. Good luck getting any broadcast networks (or tech networks) to shell out anything significant.

I'll bet you $100 nothing ever happens with this
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Re: NBA: Minor League 

Post#151 » by eyriq » Fri Jan 17, 2025 8:47 pm

I'm an Orlando Magic fan so unless the Magic join this league it will be meaningless to me.
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Post#152 » by zimpy27 » Fri Jan 17, 2025 8:54 pm

Imagine this:

Team 1: Jokic and a team built around his strengths and weaknesses
Team 2: Wemby and a team built around his strengths and weaknesses
Team 3: Giannis and a team built around his strengths and weaknesses
Team 4: SGA and a team built around his strengths and weaknesses
Team 5: Luka and a team built around his strengths and weaknesses
Team 6: Tatum and a team built around his strengths and weaknesses


They all play against each other (15 games) in each of 8 locations around the world. That's 120 games.

Then a playoffs (20-30 games).



The best example is called the Indian Premier League, which was set up about 15 years ago for Cricket.. It's now at 5 times the original value.

NGL, if they pull it off I could see myself watching this over NBA.
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Post#153 » by zimpy27 » Fri Jan 17, 2025 9:02 pm

I could see the international players being especially interested in this. This is my bet on the 8 locations:

Vegas
Singapore
Berlin
Tokyo
Seoul
Paris
London
Sydney
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Re: NBA: Minor League 

Post#154 » by JJ_PR » Fri Jan 17, 2025 9:11 pm

Those investors can have all the money in the world, but if people don't tune in to watch, their league is going nowhere. That will be their biggest challenge.
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Post#155 » by knicksfan974 » Sat Jan 18, 2025 12:13 am

Just imagine how watered down the NBA would feel as a league if the absolute top 6 talents in the world would all be playing in a another league.
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Post#156 » by old skool » Sat Jan 18, 2025 5:44 am

zimpy27 wrote:
old skool wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
They could but watered down talent wise. This league is 6 teams that all have concentrated talent, it's the only way it would work.
What is there about the "new" rival league that would make them more successful at offering $250-million salaries to concentrate star talent than any other league that is also not encumbered by a salary cap?

The absence of a salary cap is floated here as the huge advantage that could prey on an NBA vulnerability. But that "advantage" is shared by every other basketball league in the world. It is surely not unique.


It's the concentration of talent that matters.

You add a $200m player to one of those leagues and you get talent dilution. It's a gimmick.

You get $200m player on each of 6 teams playing off against each other to crown the best, it's a sport you want to watch.


What is it that is preventing any league in the world from paring down to six teams and paying a star $200-million to lead each team?
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Post#157 » by old skool » Sat Jan 18, 2025 5:47 am

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zimpy27 wrote:
They could but watered down talent wise. This league is 6 teams that all have concentrated talent, it's the only way it would work.
What is there about the "new" rival league that would make them more successful at offering $250-million salaries to concentrate star talent than any other league that is also not encumbered by a salary cap?

The absence of a salary cap is floated here as the huge advantage that could prey on an NBA vulnerability. But that "advantage" is shared by every other basketball league in the world. It is surely not unique.

This is true but those other leagues are minor leagues. This is pitched more as a super league. The top 60-70 players only. In that context the no cap advantage becomes key. It’s how they extract the top players from the NBA.


What is preventing any league in the world from paying however many dollars it takes to sign the top 60-70 players in the world?
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Post#158 » by zimpy27 » Sat Jan 18, 2025 6:19 am

old skool wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
old skool wrote:What is there about the "new" rival league that would make them more successful at offering $250-million salaries to concentrate star talent than any other league that is also not encumbered by a salary cap?

The absence of a salary cap is floated here as the huge advantage that could prey on an NBA vulnerability. But that "advantage" is shared by every other basketball league in the world. It is surely not unique.


It's the concentration of talent that matters.

You add a $200m player to one of those leagues and you get talent dilution. It's a gimmick.

You get $200m player on each of 6 teams playing off against each other to crown the best, it's a sport you want to watch.


What is it that is preventing any league in the world from paring down to six teams and paying a star $200-million to lead each team?


History, money
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Post#159 » by SNPA » Sat Jan 18, 2025 7:25 am

zimpy27 wrote:
old skool wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
They could but watered down talent wise. This league is 6 teams that all have concentrated talent, it's the only way it would work.
What is there about the "new" rival league that would make them more successful at offering $250-million salaries to concentrate star talent than any other league that is also not encumbered by a salary cap?

The absence of a salary cap is floated here as the huge advantage that could prey on an NBA vulnerability. But that "advantage" is shared by every other basketball league in the world. It is surely not unique.


It's the concentration of talent that matters.

You add a $200m player to one of those leagues and you get talent dilution. It's a gimmick.

You get $200m player on each of 6 teams playing off against each other to crown the best, it's a sport you want to watch.

This is it IMO.

Let’s say 6x200m on average. 1.2billion and you can have the top six players. They are looking to raise 5 billion.

NBA headquarters and team owners must be sweating this.
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Post#160 » by old skool » Sat Jan 18, 2025 5:32 pm

zimpy27 wrote:
old skool wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
It's the concentration of talent that matters.

You add a $200m player to one of those leagues and you get talent dilution. It's a gimmick.

You get $200m player on each of 6 teams playing off against each other to crown the best, it's a sport you want to watch.


What is it that is preventing any league in the world from paring down to six teams and paying a star $200-million to lead each team?


History, money
So your answer to my question is ...... nothing.

Any league can raise money, and their is nothing in history preventing an existing league from buying access to the best players. I agree.

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