*Update* Josh Giddey post All-Star break: 23.1 ppg, 10.9 rpg, 8.4 apg, 1.0 spg, 0.9 bpg on 65.5% TS

[tsherkin]

It speaks to the low-level of executive acumen that he will probably get paid far more than he's worth. I'm not just picking on Giddey.

How many guys start miraculously playing well in their contract year? Too many to name.

Giddey's a good player when he's given a role that suits him. The problem is that the role that best suits him is hard to come by on a winning team.

So he's rebounding and passing at a rate similar to the rest of his career, he's just getting minutes now. He's shooting well from the corners and he's drawing fouls better, which is the difference in efficiency. Dunno if I'd put this down to just contract year-related boost.

His game isn't portable.

A) That isn't really true. He's an on-ball guy, so he can't fit into literally every context ever like a movement shooter, but that's true of a lot of players. He can fit with a lot of different types of guys

B) Portability is overrated.

[Handlez]

Giddey haters shook.

This nonchalant kid is doing work.

Sucks he got injured because he was proving all the haters wrong.

[FrodoBaggins]

Giddey's like a bigger, less athletic Kidd or Rubio. Looks like a slower Kidd when he gets the defensive rebound and pushes the break. Showing serious Dallas Mavericks Kidd vibes as a spot-up shooter this season. Last I checked he was doing like 38% 3PT on catch-and-shoot threes. Bigger size allows him to be more of a presence inside as a rebounder. Lack of comparative athleticism shows up most on defense.

Here's how the three compare at ages 21 and 22:

Kidd:
- 35.6 minutes per game
- 14.2 points, 6.1 rebounds, 8.7 assists, 2.0 steals, 0.3 blocks, 3.6 turnovers
- per 100 poss: 20.1 points, 8.7 rebounds, 12.3 assists, 2.9 steals, 0.4 blocks, 5.1 turnovers
- 38.3% FG, 31.1% 3PT (4.1 attempts), 41.4% 2PT (9.4 attempts), 69.5% FT (3.8 attempts; .282 FTr), 47.0% TS (87 TS+)
- +1.6 BPM (1.5 off; 0.1 def)

Giddey:
- 26.9 minutes per game
- 12.7 points, 6.9 rebounds, 5.6 assists, 0.8 steals, 0.6 blocks, 2.4 turnovers
- per 100 poss: 22.3 points, 12.1 rebounds, 9.8 assists, 1.5 steals, 1.0 blocks, 4.2 turnovers
- 46.8% FG, 35.8% 3PT (3.4 attempts), 52.0% 2PT (7.2 attempts), 79.2% FT (1.9 attempts; .180 FTr), 55.3% TS (96 TS+)
- +1.6 BPM (1.1 off; 0.5 def)

Rubio:
- 31.6 minutes per game
- 10.7 points, 4.1 rebounds, 7.7 assists, 2.3 steals, 0.1 blocks, 3.1 turnovers
- per 100 poss: 17.4 points, 6.7 rebounds, 12.6 assists, 3.8 steals, 0.2 blocks, 5.1 turnovers
- 35.9% FG, 31.7% 3PT (1.9 attempts), 37.0% 2PT (7.3 attempts), 80.0% FT (4.3 attempts; .466 FTr), 48.0% TS (90 TS+)
- +1.1 BPM (-0.6 off; 1.7 def)

Kidd & Rubio are in a different class when it comes to their defense/passing/athleticism.

Agree regarding defense and athleticism. Disagree concerning passing. FWIW, these comps (with qualifiers) were being made during Josh's draft cycle.

Giddey has better shooting numbers, but it was a different NBA back then and expectations and offensive scoring for PGs was different back then opposed to when the Westbrook/Rose/Kyrie/Wall/Curry class of PGs came into the NBA and completely flipped how PGs are viewed.

Relative numbers (TS+, 2PT+, 3PT+) are in Giddy's favor. I think it's fair to say Josh has displayed better three-point shooting at the same ages as Kidd and Rubio.

I still see Giddey as a 6th man on a contender as his ceiling. Hides some of his physical shortcomings as a defender and shooter, lets him have the ball in his hands. I can't look too much into his annual empty stats in March, especially after how the playoffs went down last year.

I don't understand this narrative. He played well in the first round then missed some shots and was benched against Dallas. Sample size is too small to draw any large, sweeping conclusions.

[Chi town]

It speaks to the low-level of executive acumen that he will probably get paid far more than he's worth. I'm not just picking on Giddey.

How many guys start miraculously playing well in their contract year? Too many to name.

Giddey's a good player when he's given a role that suits him. The problem is that the role that best suits him is hard to come by on a winning team.

His game isn't portable.

Fully agree until the last 25 games.

His D is solid.

He’s attacking the rim and not settling for floaters which is helping his scoring, FTs and assists.

His 3 ball has improved its mechanics by 50% in his setup. He has a long ways to go but he’s improving.

[wco81]

Windhorst says Giddy may be in line to get a $30 million a year extension, which is the market rate for a starting PG.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/279622/Josh-Giddey-Likely-To-Sign-For-Starting-Point-Guard-Market-Rate

[Drakeem]

RealGM discourse has become putrid.

The entire first two pages were filled with people not watching games going "bad team, empty stats lul", not even taking into account that for being on a bad team with no other real options, his efficiency has been solid.

We need a way to prove that people have actually watched basketball games before being able to comment on said team/player/specific game.

[tsherkin]

RealGM discourse has become putrid.

The entire first two pages were filled with people not watching games going "bad team, empty stats lul", not even taking into account that for being on a bad team with no other real options, his efficiency has been solid.

We need a way to prove that people have actually watched basketball games before being able to comment on said team/player/specific game.

Do you yourself have anything substantive to add, though, besides that remark?

[meekrab]

Giddey's been balling, pretty much singlehandedly has the team on a rare winning streak, triple double threat every night, can't leave him open from the 3 point line anymore... I think if he does get that 30 million a year people will scoff and call it terrible but be proven wrong quickly.

[elchengue20]

Good player but hes ball dominant and not good off ball.

If you pay him that kind of money you need to give him the keys of your offense, and hes not good enough to lead you anywhere more than 42 wins and fight for a Play-Inn spot.

But hey it's Chicago we are talking about so im not surprised.

[Chi town]

RealGM discourse has become putrid.

The entire first two pages were filled with people not watching games going "bad team, empty stats lul", not even taking into account that for being on a bad team with no other real options, his efficiency has been solid.

We need a way to prove that people have actually watched basketball games before being able to comment on said team/player/specific game.

Yes! Like a verify check mark for these jokers. Crazy how folks have so much to say and then it’s blatantly obvious they don’t watch games. Some not even highlights. Just box scores.

[Drakeem]

RealGM discourse has become putrid.

The entire first two pages were filled with people not watching games going "bad team, empty stats lul", not even taking into account that for being on a bad team with no other real options, his efficiency has been solid.

We need a way to prove that people have actually watched basketball games before being able to comment on said team/player/specific game.

Do you yourself have anything substantive to add, though, besides that remark?

Sure.

Giddey has always had a good feel for basketball naturally. Just by a result of his passing, he knows how an offence should be run and has a good feel for managing it. He had a lot of issue early on though, the biggest being that awful shooting form and because of that, his biggest skill of being a floor manager gets negated because he's not overall good enough to warrent being with the ball that entire time.

This year with Chicago though, specifically now, things have changed a bit because his shot has become a lot more respectable. He's not going to keep up the shooting splits but you can tell his form is being worked on. Still a bit wonky, but I can see it becoming respectable enough so you have to play him closer.

His biggest next step to me is using that additional shooting threat to have his defender stick on him, and use his size to get to that elbow FT line area and abuse other guards. Dude is 6'8, and adding a little extra strength can help him simplify that dribble and not rely on it. Once you're at the FT line area, you can develop a little pull up that you can rely on to get an easy bucket as a release valve.

I do think he's still not quite good enough to earn that 30 million, but I think he WILL be good enough at some point.

[tsherkin]

Giddey has always had a good feel for basketball naturally. Just by a result of his passing, he knows how an offence should be run and has a good feel for managing it. He had a lot of issue early on though, the biggest being that awful shooting form and because of that, his biggest skill of being a floor manager gets negated because he's not overall good enough to warrent being with the ball that entire time.

This year with Chicago though, specifically now, things have changed a bit because his shot has become a lot more respectable. He's not going to keep up the shooting splits but you can tell his form is being worked on. Still a bit wonky, but I can see it becoming respectable enough so you have to play him closer.

His biggest next step to me is using that additional shooting threat to have his defender stick on him, and use his size to get to that elbow FT line area and abuse other guards. Dude is 6'8, and adding a little extra strength can help him simplify that dribble and not rely on it. Once you're at the FT line area, you can develop a little pull up that you can rely on to get an easy bucket as a release valve.

I do think he's still not quite good enough to earn that 30 million, but I think he WILL be good enough at some point.

Quality post. +1

[FrodoBaggins]

Great performance in his return from injury coming off the bench. Picked up right where he left off.

- 31 minutes played
- 22 points, 7 rebounds (1 offensive), 6 assists, 2 steals, 1 block, 1 turnover
- 10/15 FG, 2/4 3PT
- +2 (highest on the team for players who played more than 5 mins)

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

RealGM discourse has become putrid.

The entire first two pages were filled with people not watching games going "bad team, empty stats lul", not even taking into account that for being on a bad team with no other real options, his efficiency has been solid.

We need a way to prove that people have actually watched basketball games before being able to comment on said team/player/specific game.

Do you yourself have anything substantive to add, though, besides that remark?

Meh, I feel his remark was one of the better posts in the thread.

It’s just weird when people are so eager to give a breakdown on someone they haven’t watched at all.

It’s their right, but I don’t see why they should be protected from being called out either.

The other day in a game thread someone said Haliburton looks completely washed. It was pretty clear this person hadn’t watch Haliburton at all, yet he’s posting and acting as if he has. Again, that’s his right to do, but calling those people out is needed as well, or else you just have nothing but the blind leading the blind on here.

[FrodoBaggins]

Why I'm confident in Giddey's three-point shot:

1) Has great general dexterity (fine motor skills/coordination of the fingers & hands.) Josh is a strong ball handler and an elite passer with an impressive bag/array of passes.
2) Appears to have good joint flexibility.
3) Is a strong free-throw shooter.

Many poor shooters simply lack the dexterity and joint flexibility to be proficient. Josh's competence as a ball handler, passer, and free-throw shooter supports the idea that Josh's problem is technique-related. His flexibility in the shooting joints (wrist, elbow, shoulder) looks good to my eye. Gets the elbow in and flicks the wrist.

Just needs the right coaching to unlearn bad habits. And we've seen that over the last few months. 55/124 (44.35% 3pt on 4.0 attempts) over the last 31 games. 46/100 (46.0% 3pt on 4.5 attempts) over the last 22 games. 23/44 (52.3% 3pt on 4.4 attempts) over the last 10 games.

[Handlez]

He can't keep getting away with this.

[CBS7]

What was the Bulls' record in those games?

Bulls are 5-4 in games Giddey plays post ASG
doesn't sound like much but they are a 30 win team

[tsherkin]

Meh, I feel his remark was one of the better posts in the thread.

It’s just weird when people are so eager to give a breakdown on someone they haven’t watched at all.

It’s their right, but I don’t see why they should be protected from being called out either.

If all someone is doing is bitching about the thread, then that's really more of a "punt it to the mods and let them decide" kind of moment.

[Yuri Vaultin]

How many minors is he averaging this season?

[t-time]

How many minors is he averaging this season?

Look everyone we have a comedian here.