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Ainosterhaspie wrote:Lalouie wrote:that's cuz bridges is looking around the league and he sees players getting it easier
i think salaries should be based on 36min game play
Are you sure you want to give teams a financial incentive to reduce player minutes?
M2J wrote:The Knicks lack some depth, but not really. They have versatile players that can fill 2 or more positions throughout their roster plus 5-6 guys that are legit stars in their role. You can plug and play some of these guys and give them real rests for a few more minutes. You have to listen to players or any personnel sometimes. Pretty much Bridges and maybe Hart are their only 2 players that aren't injury prone.
Capn'O wrote:We're the recovering meth addict older brother. And we've been clean for a few years now, thank you very much. Very uncouth to bring it up.
tcheco wrote:I mean, I know thibs will thibs, but Knicks trading depth for star players won't help much on reducing minutes
Capn'O wrote:We're the recovering meth addict older brother. And we've been clean for a few years now, thank you very much. Very uncouth to bring it up.
cgf wrote:M2J wrote:The Knicks lack some depth, but not really. They have versatile players that can fill 2 or more positions throughout their roster plus 5-6 guys that are legit stars in their role. You can plug and play some of these guys and give them real rests for a few more minutes. You have to listen to players or any personnel sometimes. Pretty much Bridges and maybe Hart are their only 2 players that aren't injury prone.
Who exactly has thibs had on the bench this season who has warranted significantly more PT than they have received?
Sixers in 4 wrote:Black Jack wrote:Bridges is right to call this crap out. Thibs always does the same thing.
Thibs teams have always overperformed that is partially because he challenges players. He has had two losing seasons in 13 year career and got the most out of some pretty mediocre rosters. Bridges comes off as soft and not wanting to be challenged.
I mean sure he is playing minutes but he is also not being asked to spend a whole lot effort on the offensive end creating looks for himself or his teammates.
Black Jack wrote:Sixers in 4 wrote:Black Jack wrote:Bridges is right to call this crap out. Thibs always does the same thing.
Thibs teams have always overperformed that is partially because he challenges players. He has had two losing seasons in 13 year career and got the most out of some pretty mediocre rosters. Bridges comes off as soft and not wanting to be challenged.
I mean sure he is playing minutes but he is also not being asked to spend a whole lot effort on the offensive end creating looks for himself or his teammates.
Okay, you got it boss, the league's top iron man player Bridges is "soft"
Who among us can argue with Thibs stellar record of "overperformance" and "being challenging"?
M2J wrote:cgf wrote:M2J wrote:The Knicks lack some depth, but not really. They have versatile players that can fill 2 or more positions throughout their roster plus 5-6 guys that are legit stars in their role. You can plug and play some of these guys and give them real rests for a few more minutes. You have to listen to players or any personnel sometimes. Pretty much Bridges and maybe Hart are their only 2 players that aren't injury prone.
Who exactly has thibs had on the bench this season who has warranted significantly more PT than they have received?
That's not the question. The question is who can fill in with other players so that their core can play less minutes? Plenty
Because Bridges is saying if they played less, they'd have more energy to play the type of defense needed more consistently.
Capn'O wrote:We're the recovering meth addict older brother. And we've been clean for a few years now, thank you very much. Very uncouth to bring it up.
cgf wrote:'21:
Rose (26.8mpg)
Burks (25.6mpg)
Gibson (20.8mpg)/Noel (24.2mpg)
Quickley (19.4mpg)
'22:
Walker (25.6mpg)/Burks (28.6mpg)/Rose (24.5mpg)
Quickley (23.1mpg)
Noel (22.5mpg)
Toppin (17.1mpg)
and Grimes regularly getting over 20mpg once he cracked the rotation...at least until he got hurt.
'23:
Hart (30mpg)
Quickley (28.9mpg)
Hartenstein (19.9mpg)
Toppin (15.7mpg)
'24: was messy because of the in-season trades and injuries but Thibs was bringing off the bench:
Hart (33.4mpg)
Hartenstein (25.3mpg)/Achiuwa (24.2mpg)
Grimes (20.2mpg)/Bogdanovic (19.2mpg)
Quickley(24.0mpg)/McBride (19.5mpg)
'25:
McBride (24.3mpg)
Achiuwa (21.6mpg)/Robinson (14.6mpg)
Payne (14.3mpg)
Shamet (12mpg)
This just hasn't been the norm in New York under Thibs so far. This is the first time he didn't start the year with a ten man rotation before whittling it down to 9 (8.5 in the playoffs), with 3-4 guys getting ~20mpg or more off the bench. So no it isn't Thibs being Thibs, it's our FO needing to rebuild our bench and Robinson missing the first 2/3rds of the season.
JujitsuFlip wrote:cgf wrote:'21:
Rose (26.8mpg)
Burks (25.6mpg)
Gibson (20.8mpg)/Noel (24.2mpg)
Quickley (19.4mpg)
'22:
Walker (25.6mpg)/Burks (28.6mpg)/Rose (24.5mpg)
Quickley (23.1mpg)
Noel (22.5mpg)
Toppin (17.1mpg)
and Grimes regularly getting over 20mpg once he cracked the rotation...at least until he got hurt.
'23:
Hart (30mpg)
Quickley (28.9mpg)
Hartenstein (19.9mpg)
Toppin (15.7mpg)
'24: was messy because of the in-season trades and injuries but Thibs was bringing off the bench:
Hart (33.4mpg)
Hartenstein (25.3mpg)/Achiuwa (24.2mpg)
Grimes (20.2mpg)/Bogdanovic (19.2mpg)
Quickley(24.0mpg)/McBride (19.5mpg)
'25:
McBride (24.3mpg)
Achiuwa (21.6mpg)/Robinson (14.6mpg)
Payne (14.3mpg)
Shamet (12mpg)
This just hasn't been the norm in New York under Thibs so far. This is the first time he didn't start the year with a ten man rotation before whittling it down to 9 (8.5 in the playoffs), with 3-4 guys getting ~20mpg or more off the bench. So no it isn't Thibs being Thibs, it's our FO needing to rebuild our bench and Robinson missing the first 2/3rds of the season.
I had a feeling you'd eventually show up in this thread to defend Thibs.
21: Rose was acquired at the trade deadline and only played 30 games. Noel started 40 of his 60 games there's no way you're counting him lol he was at 17.5 MPG off the bench, 27 MPG as a starter.
22: Walker started all 37 games as a Knick... Burks started 44 of 81 games and Rose only played 25 games. Noel only played 25 games, half of which he started.
23: Hart was acquired at the deadline BUT this was the only season in NYC, I'll concede Thibs actually trusted his bench, he had 10 guys he trusted.
24: Hart started over half his 81 games... Hartenstien was a starter for most of his 75 games. Grimes was even a part time starter before being traded.
25: we know he's not playing anyone but starters, what the thread is about.
I know you want to pretend this season is an anomaly but really, 2023 was the outlier for Thibs not playing tight rotations.
Capn'O wrote:We're the recovering meth addict older brother. And we've been clean for a few years now, thank you very much. Very uncouth to bring it up.
cgf wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:cgf wrote:'21:
Rose (26.8mpg)
Burks (25.6mpg)
Gibson (20.8mpg)/Noel (24.2mpg)
Quickley (19.4mpg)
'22:
Walker (25.6mpg)/Burks (28.6mpg)/Rose (24.5mpg)
Quickley (23.1mpg)
Noel (22.5mpg)
Toppin (17.1mpg)
and Grimes regularly getting over 20mpg once he cracked the rotation...at least until he got hurt.
'23:
Hart (30mpg)
Quickley (28.9mpg)
Hartenstein (19.9mpg)
Toppin (15.7mpg)
'24: was messy because of the in-season trades and injuries but Thibs was bringing off the bench:
Hart (33.4mpg)
Hartenstein (25.3mpg)/Achiuwa (24.2mpg)
Grimes (20.2mpg)/Bogdanovic (19.2mpg)
Quickley(24.0mpg)/McBride (19.5mpg)
'25:
McBride (24.3mpg)
Achiuwa (21.6mpg)/Robinson (14.6mpg)
Payne (14.3mpg)
Shamet (12mpg)
This just hasn't been the norm in New York under Thibs so far. This is the first time he didn't start the year with a ten man rotation before whittling it down to 9 (8.5 in the playoffs), with 3-4 guys getting ~20mpg or more off the bench. So no it isn't Thibs being Thibs, it's our FO needing to rebuild our bench and Robinson missing the first 2/3rds of the season.
I had a feeling you'd eventually show up in this thread to defend Thibs.
21: Rose was acquired at the trade deadline and only played 30 games. Noel started 40 of his 60 games there's no way you're counting him lol he was at 17.5 MPG off the bench, 27 MPG as a starter.
22: Walker started all 37 games as a Knick... Burks started 44 of 81 games and Rose only played 25 games. Noel only played 25 games, half of which he started.
23: Hart was acquired at the deadline BUT this was the only season in NYC, I'll concede Thibs actually trusted his bench, he had 10 guys he trusted.
24: Hart started over half his 81 games... Hartenstien was a starter for most of his 75 games. Grimes was even a part time starter before being traded.
25: we know he's not playing anyone but starters, what the thread is about.
I know you want to pretend this season is an anomaly but really, 2023 was the outlier for Thibs not playing tight rotations.
Sorry to disrupt your memes with some facts, but we all have our schticks.
'21: 17.6 bench minutes per game
'22: 17.1 bench minutes per game
'23: 16.2 bench minutes per game
'24: 15.1 bench minutes per game
'25: 12.3 bench minutes per game
https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/traditional?StarterBench=Bench&sort=MIN&dir=-1
Wanna try again?
JujitsuFlip wrote:cgf wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:I had a feeling you'd eventually show up in this thread to defend Thibs.
21: Rose was acquired at the trade deadline and only played 30 games. Noel started 40 of his 60 games there's no way you're counting him lol he was at 17.5 MPG off the bench, 27 MPG as a starter.
22: Walker started all 37 games as a Knick... Burks started 44 of 81 games and Rose only played 25 games. Noel only played 25 games, half of which he started.
23: Hart was acquired at the deadline BUT this was the only season in NYC, I'll concede Thibs actually trusted his bench, he had 10 guys he trusted.
24: Hart started over half his 81 games... Hartenstien was a starter for most of his 75 games. Grimes was even a part time starter before being traded.
25: we know he's not playing anyone but starters, what the thread is about.
I know you want to pretend this season is an anomaly but really, 2023 was the outlier for Thibs not playing tight rotations.
Sorry to disrupt your memes with some facts, but we all have our schticks.
'21: 17.6 bench minutes per game
'22: 17.1 bench minutes per game
'23: 16.2 bench minutes per game
'24: 15.1 bench minutes per game
'25: 12.3 bench minutes per game
https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/traditional?StarterBench=Bench&sort=MIN&dir=-1
Wanna try again?
This did not help your argument lmfaoooooo but i appreciate this cool stat/tool
21: Knicks ranked 19th out of 30 teams in using the bench
22: Knicks ranked 23rd out of 30 teams in using the bench
23: Knicks ranked 27th out of 30 teams in using the bench
24: Knicks ranked 29th out of 30 teams in using the bench
25: Knicks rank 30th out of 30 teams in using the bench, dead last.
Like i tried to tell ya, Thibs gonna Thib lol
Capn'O wrote:We're the recovering meth addict older brother. And we've been clean for a few years now, thank you very much. Very uncouth to bring it up.
Bro... You served up evidence on a silver platter disproving Thibs plays his bench and still can't accept it, truly LOL worthy.cgf wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:cgf wrote:
Sorry to disrupt your memes with some facts, but we all have our schticks.
'21: 17.6 bench minutes per game
'22: 17.1 bench minutes per game
'23: 16.2 bench minutes per game
'24: 15.1 bench minutes per game
'25: 12.3 bench minutes per game
https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/traditional?StarterBench=Bench&sort=MIN&dir=-1
Wanna try again?
This did not help your argument lmfaoooooo but i appreciate this cool stat/tool
21: Knicks ranked 19th out of 30 teams in using the bench
22: Knicks ranked 23rd out of 30 teams in using the bench
23: Knicks ranked 27th out of 30 teams in using the bench
24: Knicks ranked 29th out of 30 teams in using the bench
25: Knicks rank 30th out of 30 teams in using the bench, dead last.
Like i tried to tell ya, Thibs gonna Thib lol
I was curious how you'd try to move the goalposts to avoid acknowledging the reality right in front of you, but this is weak. I get that it's hard to ignore how silly your '23 was the real anomaly' comment was and pretend like there isn't a dramatic difference between using your bench <2mpg less than the average team and using it 5.7mpg less. But this is the hill you've chosen to die on
JujitsuFlip wrote:Bro... You served up evidence on a silver platter disproving Thibs plays his bench and still can't accept it, truly LOL worthy.cgf wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:This did not help your argument lmfaoooooo but i appreciate this cool stat/tool
21: Knicks ranked 19th out of 30 teams in using the bench
22: Knicks ranked 23rd out of 30 teams in using the bench
23: Knicks ranked 27th out of 30 teams in using the bench
24: Knicks ranked 29th out of 30 teams in using the bench
25: Knicks rank 30th out of 30 teams in using the bench, dead last.
Like i tried to tell ya, Thibs gonna Thib lol
I was curious how you'd try to move the goalposts to avoid acknowledging the reality right in front of you, but this is weak. I get that it's hard to ignore how silly your '23 was the real anomaly' comment was and pretend like there isn't a dramatic difference between using your bench <2mpg less than the average team and using it 5.7mpg less. But this is the hill you've chosen to die on
The guy has been in the bottom of the league for bench minutes, getting progressively worse every season and you try to act like he plays a deep bench, mind boggling.
Just because he is worse this season, does not mean he wasn't bad the other seasons, that is god awful logic.
Capn'O wrote:We're the recovering meth addict older brother. And we've been clean for a few years now, thank you very much. Very uncouth to bring it up.
cgf wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:Bro... You served up evidence on a silver platter disproving Thibs plays his bench and still can't accept it, truly LOL worthy.cgf wrote:
I was curious how you'd try to move the goalposts to avoid acknowledging the reality right in front of you, but this is weak. I get that it's hard to ignore how silly your '23 was the real anomaly' comment was and pretend like there isn't a dramatic difference between using your bench <2mpg less than the average team and using it 5.7mpg less. But this is the hill you've chosen to die on
The guy has been in the bottom of the league for bench minutes, getting progressively worse every season and you try to act like he plays a deep bench, mind boggling.
Just because he is worse this season, does not mean he wasn't bad the other seasons, that is god awful logic.
Come on pal.
This all started because I said that Thibs has shown in his previous Knicks seasons that he'll use his bench a lot more than this...'Thibs gunna thibs' but this season the bench minutes are ~20% less than ever before, despite better health than we had last year, and ~30% less than they were before we started consolidating talent.
Then I suggested that this was because we have had less talent on the bench this season...especially with Robinson missing so many games to start the season...and theorized that Thibs may also be spiking the starters' minutes in part to compensate for the lack of training camp to develop chemistry after the trade.
You disagreed with me and claimed that this was what Thibs always does and that '23 was the real anomaly. So how do these #s not support exactly what I said and in anyway support your claims?
'21: 17.6 bench minutes per game
'22: 17.1 bench minutes per game
'23: 16.2 bench minutes per game
'24: 15.1 bench minutes per game
'25: 12.3 bench minutes per game
I never said Thibs used his bench more than the rest of the league, only that he's never done this before. Even if we look at the rankings and ignore the actual minutes that the bench played, we've never been 30th before, and in '23 we ranked worse than the two seasons prior.
Admitting you were wrong isn't that scary son. Trust me, I do it all the time
JujitsuFlip wrote:cgf wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:Bro... You served up evidence on a silver platter disproving Thibs plays his bench and still can't accept it, truly LOL worthy.
The guy has been in the bottom of the league for bench minutes, getting progressively worse every season and you try to act like he plays a deep bench, mind boggling.
Just because he is worse this season, does not mean he wasn't bad the other seasons, that is god awful logic.
Come on pal.
This all started because I said that Thibs has shown in his previous Knicks seasons that he'll use his bench a lot more than this...'Thibs gunna thibs' but this season the bench minutes are ~20% less than ever before, despite better health than we had last year, and ~30% less than they were before we started consolidating talent.
Then I suggested that this was because we have had less talent on the bench this season...especially with Robinson missing so many games to start the season...and theorized that Thibs may also be spiking the starters' minutes in part to compensate for the lack of training camp to develop chemistry after the trade.
You disagreed with me and claimed that this was what Thibs always does and that '23 was the real anomaly. So how do these #s not support exactly what I said and in anyway support your claims?
'21: 17.6 bench minutes per game
'22: 17.1 bench minutes per game
'23: 16.2 bench minutes per game
'24: 15.1 bench minutes per game
'25: 12.3 bench minutes per game
I never said Thibs used his bench more than the rest of the league, only that he's never done this before. Even if we look at the rankings and ignore the actual minutes that the bench played, we've never been 30th before, and in '23 we ranked worse than the two seasons prior.
Admitting you were wrong isn't that scary son. Trust me, I do it all the time
Idc to admit he sucked in 2023 too lol, it only strengthens the narrative, not weakens it.
You refuse to admit this is typical Thibs, yet it is. The source YOU provided proves that.
In every conversation on the GB you swear Thibs always played 10 guys, always used his bench blah blah blah w.e homer orange & blue tinted glasses BS you could spew.
Thibs has always sucked at using his bench, it's okay to accept it. He just even worse now lol
"He's never been 30th in the league" oh yeah bc 29th, 27th, and 23rd is SO much better, what a joke.
Capn'O wrote:We're the recovering meth addict older brother. And we've been clean for a few years now, thank you very much. Very uncouth to bring it up.
cgf wrote:Which one is not like the others: 17.6, 17.1, 16.2, 15.1, or 12.3?
JujitsuFlip wrote:cgf wrote:Which one is not like the others: ?
All 5 suck, bub.
Good luck with that 0-7 record vs the actual good teams in the NBA though lol
Capn'O wrote:We're the recovering meth addict older brother. And we've been clean for a few years now, thank you very much. Very uncouth to bring it up.
JujitsuFlip wrote:cgf wrote:Which one is not like the others: 17.6, 17.1, 16.2, 15.1, or 12.3?
All 5 suck, bub.
Good luck with that 0-7 record vs the actual good teams in the NBA though lol
Sixers in 4 wrote:Black Jack wrote:Sixers in 4 wrote:
Thibs teams have always overperformed that is partially because he challenges players. He has had two losing seasons in 13 year career and got the most out of some pretty mediocre rosters. Bridges comes off as soft and not wanting to be challenged.
I mean sure he is playing minutes but he is also not being asked to spend a whole lot effort on the offensive end creating looks for himself or his teammates.
Okay, you got it boss, the league's top iron man player Bridges is "soft"
Who among us can argue with Thibs stellar record of "overperformance" and "being challenging"?
So if he got injured and the streak went away that would change your opinion? Because it wouldn't mine.
Players playing every game when healthy used to be the norm color me unimpressed. Steve Nash from 2002-2010 averaged 79 games for ffs. If he or his fanclub doesn't want to be called soft stop saying soft things.
There's nothing left to be said loldruggas wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:cgf wrote:Which one is not like the others: 17.6, 17.1, 16.2, 15.1, or 12.3?
All 5 suck, bub.
Good luck with that 0-7 record vs the actual good teams in the NBA though lol
Way to deflect.
