Haynes: Giannis, Bucks Meeting Next Week to Discuss the Direction of the Team

[Hangtime84]

Never should have signed that loyalty extension. Enjoy the next 2 years when price is reasonable

[Bernman]

Never should have signed that loyalty extension. Enjoy the next 2 years when price is reasonable

"Loyalty extension", when the Bucks had traded for Lillard, and went into that season as betting co-favorites for the title, after winning it 2 seasons earlier. Loyalty extension my foot.

[Profound23]

We will have an 8th different team winning the title this year. Bucks were #1 in the NBA a few seasons and won a title with Giannis. First title in over 50 years. This isn't the Lakers or Celtics where teams get handed stars constantly for practically nothing. To say the Bucks wasted Giannis career at this point is pathetic. In hindsight could they have made different moves? Sure! But they put pretty good teams around Giannis while he was (is) in his prime. A lot of good luck the year they won and even more bad luck in the years they didn't. This was a match made in basketball heaven and it worked well enough to bring this city a title.

[Ron Swanson]

Two MVP's, a championship, and being the winningest organization in the league for more than a half decade (2018-2024) is a hell of way to "waste" someone's prime. This is the problem with these "you gotta do right by Giannis" lectures from casuals that only care about him being traded for the drama (preferably for a pittance to their favorite team of course).

I mean, the Bucks have done right by Giannis. They've re-tooled around him at multiple points, swung big trades to bring in other talented co-stars, and had as much organizational success the last decade as anyone outside of Golden State. Treating Giannis like he's KG rotting away with Minnesota in the mid-2000's is some real revisionist junk that only serves to gaslight the fanbase into accepting this "goodwill" narrative. But then of course, this "But you also can't get greedy and expect a king's ransom because CBA, LeVErAGe, and other BS reasons/excuses" gets thrown on top and those same people just expect the Bucks won't simply wait this out for the next 12-18 months if all these teams are gonna try and low-ball them? Or you know, he could just be cool with wanting a Dirk type career and give the organization 1-2 years to re-tool and end up signing the extension 18-months from now anyways.

[Dan Z]

Giannis' beloved status and contract makes him so difficult to trade. Bucks fans would rather the team wither away into nothing with him on the roster and I can't really blame them. The odds of them getting another Giannis are infinitesimal. If Giannis is going to win a ring again, I personally believe it's going to be when he's an UFA and just picks a team he can go to.

The only teams that guarantee him contender status (aside from say OKC), are Indiana, Cleveland and New York. And in the case of the Knicks, they would have to throw a lot of picks in because Bucks fans would riot if they just received Karl Towns.

I think Giannis on SA or Houston (two teams that have been talked about here) can be a contending team.

The Bucks don't own control of their own pick until after 2030, so if they trade him it'll have to be a deal that gives them at least a glimmer of hope going forward. Otherwise they'll be stuck in a situation where they'll be a bad team with limited assets to work with.

I looked it up and the Knicks don't have any picks they can trade. Or can they trade the Washington pick? That one looks to be two 2nd round picks (It's protected next year 1-10). The Washington pick plus Towns wouldn't make sense for Milwaukee.

Cleveland could offer Mobley, but I'd still need something more because Milwaukee has to rebuild with him.

Indiana I'm not sure what they'd offer. Siakam plus picks doesn't sound so great.

[Hangtime84]

Never should have signed that loyalty extension. Enjoy the next 2 years when price is reasonable

"Loyalty extension", when the Bucks had traded for Lillard, and went into that season as betting co-favorites for the title, after winning it 2 seasons earlier. Loyalty extension my foot.

I guess dame was leading that fairly tale team to WCF regularly.

They wanted a name instead of going for actual on court production.

[Ambrose]

Two MVP's, a championship, and being the winningest organization in the league for more than a half decade (2018-2024) is a hell of way to "waste" someone's prime. This is the problem with these "you gotta do right by Giannis" lectures from casuals that only care about him being traded for the drama (preferably for a pittance to their favorite team of course).

I mean, the Bucks have done right by Giannis. They've re-tooled around him at multiple points, swung big trades to bring in other talented co-stars, and had as much organizational success the last decade as anyone outside of Golden State. Treating Giannis like he's KG rotting away with Minnesota in the mid-2000's is some real revisionist junk that only serves to gaslight the fanbase into accepting this "goodwill" narrative. But then of course, this "But you also can't get greedy and expect a king's ransom because CBA, LeVErAGe, and other BS reasons/excuses" gets thrown on top and those same people just expect the Bucks won't simply wait this out for the next 12-18 months if all these teams are gonna try and low-ball them? Or you know, he could just be cool with wanting a Dirk type career and give the organization 1-2 years to re-tool and end up signing the extension 18-months from now anyways.

Also, Giannis playing poorly for two postseasons and essentially missing two others is part of why they didn't have more postseason success.

[sfernald]

I’ve been thinking about best trade packages for Milwaukee. A sneaky one would be to Okc after they win the championship. Trade for their rotation players who would probably start on half the nba teams.


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wallace
Wiggins
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JWill (not dub)

That team alone would probably be a mid playoff team in the east.

They could also throw in a bevy of picks of course.

And the capper would be they include the best assistant coach in the deal so they can play Okc ball east:

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Wallace (Dort role)
Topic (JDub/giddy role)
JWill (Chet role)

[Bernman]

Never should have signed that loyalty extension. Enjoy the next 2 years when price is reasonable

"Loyalty extension", when the Bucks had traded for Lillard, and went into that season as betting co-favorites for the title, after winning it 2 seasons earlier. Loyalty extension my foot.

I guess dame was leading that fairly tale team to WCF regularly.

They wanted a name instead of going for actual on court production.

You're moving the goal posts. Giannis wanted it, and believed in it, like a lot of others did. So he didn't extend out of charity/loyalty.

Now they have a chance to try actual on court production. Unfortunately they'll get nothing for Dame. Maybe he can be a 6th man, spark, closer when he returns. But like I said, the Bucks were a gaudy +21 per 100 w/ KPJ & Giannis. So it wouldn't necessarily be loyalty this time either.

[th87]

How many times do we need to see these scenarios to know the team almost never holds the cards. The problem is Giannis is so popular and has done right by the team if the team doesn’t accommodate him it looks bad on the team. Unless he starts having his agent openly torching the team for not trading him to Miami but I’m guessing his agent learned from Dame’s agents mistake.

If he wants a trade the team will eventually have to accommodate him. Unfortunately for the Bucks, San Antonio is the perfect spot for him but I assure you he wants to go to NYC LA/GSW or Miami because that’s where everyone wants to go.

Among casuals, sure. Real heads know Giannis was behind the Jrue trade, the Dame trade, the coaching hires and more.

The current mess is rife with his fingerprints. The Bucks don't owe him any extra consideration - they did everything he asked.

No, that's just your opinion.
Real heads know that Jrue, Khris and all his teammates went to his wedding last summer and Middleton in particular is his best man.
If these guys were dealt by Giannis they wouldn't be so close with him. Common sense.

Giannis always wanted the team to be able to contend. He didn't ask the Bucks to trade someone in particular.

Giannis didn't ask you to trade his best man to get Kuzma to get under the appron. You could have dealt Connaughton if you really tried. You didn't.

Just like he didn't ask you to hire Doc. You said that your ownership was behind this.

And Giannis is the reason the Bucks are relevant. Nobody else. You'll realise this if he walks.

Well aware of this. That's why I'm against trading him.

And it's naive to think those trades and firing Budenholzer occurred without his sign-off (especially given their personal closeness).

Griffin was literally his explicit choice.

[Bernman]

There's a contradiction among many NBA fans how they want Giannis to leave cuz they covet him on their team or think he deserves better as a superstar. Then they conjure up trades where the acquiring team sacrifices nothing, while they act like they're doing the Bucks a favor.

[Profound23]

There's a contradiction among many NBA fans how they want Giannis to leave cuz they covet him on their team or think he deserves better as a superstar. Then they conjure up trades where the acquiring team sacrifices nothing, while they act like they're doing the Bucks a favor.

"Our (insert third best player here) is untouchable."

[HMFFL]

The earliest Giannis can opt out is in two years. Bucks have the cards. Giannis can ask out but he can’t dictate where he wants to go. What is he going to do? Sit out the next two year?

How many times do we need to see these scenarios to know the team almost never holds the cards. The problem is Giannis is so popular and has done right by the team if the team doesn’t accommodate him it looks bad on the team. Unless he starts having his agent openly torching the team for not trading him to Miami but I’m guessing his agent learned from Dame’s agents mistake.

If he wants a trade the team will eventually have to accommodate him. Unfortunately for the Bucks, San Antonio is the perfect spot for him but I assure you he wants to go to NYC LA/GSW or Miami because that’s where everyone wants to go.

I love how people continue to say things like that with supreme confidence with absolutely nothing other then "Well I'd prefer to live there" as their evidence




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I feel the same as you.
The only reason I would link Giannis to a team in Cali is because his wife is from Fresno, Cal, but that's it.

[Dan Z]

I’ve been thinking about best trade packages for Milwaukee. A sneaky one would be to Okc after they win the championship. Trade for their rotation players who would probably start on half the nba teams.


iheart
wallace
Wiggins
Topic
JWill (not dub)

That team alone would probably be a mid playoff team in the east.

They could also throw in a bevy of picks of course.

And the capper would be they include the best assistant coach in the deal so they can play Okc ball east:

Iheart
Wiggins (Shai role)
Wallace (Dort role)
Topic (JDub/giddy role)
JWill (Chet role)

That Milwaukee team would be terrible and then in 2026 New Orleans has a swap with them and 2027 owns their pick.

After that Portland controls the rest of their picks until after 2030.

OKC would have to give up a bunch of good picks. Not middle of the road ones. They'd also have to get New Orleans involved so they can get that swap and pick back.

[TeamTragic]

I’ve been thinking about best trade packages for Milwaukee. A sneaky one would be to Okc after they win the championship. Trade for their rotation players who would probably start on half the nba teams.


iheart
wallace
Wiggins
Topic
JWill (not dub)

That team alone would probably be a mid playoff team in the east.

They could also throw in a bevy of picks of course.

And the capper would be they include the best assistant coach in the deal so they can play Okc ball east:

Iheart
Wiggins (Shai role)
Wallace (Dort role)
Topic (JDub/giddy role)
JWill (Chet role)

Too much for Giannis. Thunder can likely get KD for two players and a few picks.

[CharityStripe34]

Two MVP's, a championship, and being the winningest organization in the league for more than a half decade (2018-2024) is a hell of way to "waste" someone's prime. This is the problem with these "you gotta do right by Giannis" lectures from casuals that only care about him being traded for the drama (preferably for a pittance to their favorite team of course).

I mean, the Bucks have done right by Giannis. They've re-tooled around him at multiple points, swung big trades to bring in other talented co-stars, and had as much organizational success the last decade as anyone outside of Golden State. Treating Giannis like he's KG rotting away with Minnesota in the mid-2000's is some real revisionist junk that only serves to gaslight the fanbase into accepting this "goodwill" narrative. But then of course, this "But you also can't get greedy and expect a king's ransom because CBA, LeVErAGe, and other BS reasons/excuses" gets thrown on top and those same people just expect the Bucks won't simply wait this out for the next 12-18 months if all these teams are gonna try and low-ball them? Or you know, he could just be cool with wanting a Dirk type career and give the organization 1-2 years to re-tool and end up signing the extension 18-months from now anyways.

Also, Giannis playing poorly for two postseasons and essentially missing two others is part of why they didn't have more postseason success.

Well, he missed 2024 and most of 2023's playoff games. He literally dragged the Bucks to 7 games against a better, more complete Boston team with a 34-15-8 without his All-Star and second-best player in 2022 (and with Holiday playing like ass on offense). And against Indiana he put up 33-15-6 on 60% from the floor and 70% from the stripe. All the while being quite literally sabotaged by his coach who started a slow C and two other forwards masquerading as perimeter players, spotting the up-tempo and guard-heavy Indy squad 10-15 point leads. But yea, he sucked.

[NZB2323]

Would the Bucks be able to trade for Holiday? I would think the Bucks would prefer to keep Giannis and if they could bring back Holiday they would help them a lot.

[Ambrose]

Two MVP's, a championship, and being the winningest organization in the league for more than a half decade (2018-2024) is a hell of way to "waste" someone's prime. This is the problem with these "you gotta do right by Giannis" lectures from casuals that only care about him being traded for the drama (preferably for a pittance to their favorite team of course).

I mean, the Bucks have done right by Giannis. They've re-tooled around him at multiple points, swung big trades to bring in other talented co-stars, and had as much organizational success the last decade as anyone outside of Golden State. Treating Giannis like he's KG rotting away with Minnesota in the mid-2000's is some real revisionist junk that only serves to gaslight the fanbase into accepting this "goodwill" narrative. But then of course, this "But you also can't get greedy and expect a king's ransom because CBA, LeVErAGe, and other BS reasons/excuses" gets thrown on top and those same people just expect the Bucks won't simply wait this out for the next 12-18 months if all these teams are gonna try and low-ball them? Or you know, he could just be cool with wanting a Dirk type career and give the organization 1-2 years to re-tool and end up signing the extension 18-months from now anyways.

Also, Giannis playing poorly for two postseasons and essentially missing two others is part of why they didn't have more postseason success.

Well, he missed 2024 and most of 2023's playoff games. He literally dragged the Bucks to 7 games against a better, more complete Boston team with a 34-15-8 without his All-Star and second-best player in 2022 (and with Holiday playing like ass on offense). And against Indiana he put up 33-15-6 on 60% from the floor and 70% from the stripe. All the while being quite literally sabotaged by his coach who started a slow C and two other forwards masquerading as perimeter players, spotting the up-tempo and guard-heavy Indy squad 10-15 point leads. But yea, he sucked.

Played poorly:
2019, 2020

Injured:
2023, 2024

That's what I was referring to.

[CharityStripe34]

Would the Bucks be able to trade for Holiday? I would think the Bucks would prefer to keep Giannis and if they could bring back Holiday they would help them a lot.

Holiday as your 5th-6th option is cool, but he's taken a step back and his contract is huge. Besides, I don't think Boston takes Kuzma & Pat Connaughton for him, unless they just want his contract off the books.

[sfernald]

I’ve been thinking about best trade packages for Milwaukee. A sneaky one would be to Okc after they win the championship. Trade for their rotation players who would probably start on half the nba teams.


iheart
wallace
Wiggins
Topic
JWill (not dub)

That team alone would probably be a mid playoff team in the east.

They could also throw in a bevy of picks of course.

And the capper would be they include the best assistant coach in the deal so they can play Okc ball east:

Iheart
Wiggins (Shai role)
Wallace (Dort role)
Topic (JDub/giddy role)
JWill (Chet role)

Too much for Giannis. Thunder can likely get KD for two players and a few picks.

Thunder unloads those guys before they are about to become too expensive to keep. They bring in the next round of dirt cheap guys to develop and bring in their rotation: ajay mitchel, Dillon Jones, Kenrich Williams, Dieng, #25, etc.


This could be the new process to maintain an elite team indefinitely. Develop, consolidate & upgrade.