This CBA sucks

[marthafokker]

blame cheap owners

I blame dumb union President.

Why do you want your union members to get less money except for the top players only? Only to have mid tier players get squeezed out?

One reason Mavs traded Luka with this new CBA, and how much to keep him. They went about the wrong way to trade him, but they certainly didn't want to pay him. JJJ is next, watch.

[OxAndFox]

It's going to become very difficult to win a championship without really impactful players on rookie deals, or guys taking big pay cuts.

Perhaps it's my bias as an OKC fan but I wish players that a team drafted only counted as a smaller percentage against the cap. This would incentivize homegrown teams rather than free agency heavy ones. If you draft and develop a player, you should see some kind of discount against the cap for retaining them.

The problem is that neither Hartenstein nor Caruso are home grown and the Thunder signed or extended both guys knowing those rookie contracts don't last forever.

Nor is SGA.
OKC is still set up better than any other team and they will just keep doing what they're doing. They have enough picks to keep getting good enough talent while potentially (if they want to) keep SGA/Chet/JW.
They won't need to hit the cap area that restricts trading too much because they will keep rotating guys like Caruso/IH/Dort.
Its the reason they signed Wiggins and Joe to those contracts. They have thought long term and they will be bargain basement starters or near enough to that when the big 3 are maxed.

[life_saver]

We're in the transition period from less restrictions to more restrictions.

This time was always going to feel the worst.

In a few years we would have adjusted contracts to the new CBA and it won't feel as bad as this

Yep...I don't know why people are ignoring this part. If Nuggets for example knew about the new CBA 3-4 years ago, then they probably would have acted differently..especially, I am not sure MPJ could have gotten a max in that scenario

[sp6r=underrated]

This CBA increases importance of having good GMs who can find value in margins. Another change I am expecting is that teams will be extremely hesitant giving supermax contract unless someone is close to a top10 player.

The NBA requires every the players get a set percentage of basketball income while dramatically underpaying rookies and superstars alike. Until that changes the median veteran free agent must be overpaid.

[zimpy27]

We're in the transition period from less restrictions to more restrictions.

This time was always going to feel the worst.

In a few years we would have adjusted contracts to the new CBA and it won't feel as bad as this

Yep...I don't know why people are ignoring this part. If Nuggets for example knew about the new CBA 3-4 years ago, then they probably would have acted differently..especially, I am not sure MPJ could have gotten a max in that scenario

This always the part people forget about restrictions.

Denver wouldn't under Connelly but I don't think their recently fired GM was very good. Look at the Murray extension, no way was he getting a max on the current market.

[reload141]

It's going to become very difficult to win a championship without really impactful players on rookie deals, or guys taking big pay cuts.

Perhaps it's my bias as an OKC fan but I wish players that a team drafted only counted as a smaller percentage against the cap. This would incentivize homegrown teams rather than free agency heavy ones. If you draft and develop a player, you should see some kind of discount against the cap for retaining them.

The problem is that neither Hartenstein nor Caruso are home grown and the Thunder signed or extended both guys knowing those rookie contracts don't last forever.

Nor is SGA.
OKC is still set up better than any other team and they will just keep doing what they're doing. They have enough picks to keep getting good enough talent while potentially (if they want to) keep SGA/Chet/JW.
They won't need to hit the cap area that restricts trading too much because they will keep rotating guys like Caruso/IH/Dort.
Its the reason they signed Wiggins and Joe to those contracts. They have thought long term and they will be bargain basement starters or near enough to that when the big 3 are maxed.

They won’t be able to keep all 3, one will get squeezed out

[sp6r=underrated]

Think people are reading too much into it. Its nothing more than to save owners money so they have an excuse not to pay the CJ McCollums of the world max/near-max money.

The CBA requires that the players get a set percentage of basketball related income while capping how much money rookies and superstars get. This CBA ensures that the CJ McCollums of the world get a disproportionate amount of the free agent dollars.

[sp6r=underrated]

For me personally, I feel the new CBA is just furthering what has been the worst impact of the "player empowerment" era. I just don't FEEL IT with any of these matchups anymore. There's no sweat equity in them. There's not the same amount of teams meeting in the playoffs back to back years or three out of 4 years with mostly the same core. The players have been hopping team to team for a while now which was hurting that for me, and now the league basically gave the teams on the other side motivation to tear their teams apart too.

Like I can see why, in a basketball sense, OKC vs. MIN or NYK vs. IND should be fun series. But meh, it's just not compelling for me. And neither was BOS-DAL in the finals last year or BOS-IND/MIN-DAL either. Sure, I was interest because my team was in it, but for quite a while now once the Celtics have been eliminated, I simply don't find the rest of the playoffs compelling enough to really get into. I'll put it on in the background or at least catch highlights and watch a few breakdowns, but I just don't find it super interesting to watch unless I look up while doing other things and see it's close in the 4th quarter.

I don't agree with everything above but I agree with your general point that the NBA CBA is likely going to break up a lot of championship squads and contenders. The NBA isn't the NFL in which fans just root for the jersey and are indifferent to basically everyone on the club but the QB.

NBA fans identify with the players on the roster. I'm very skeptical in the aggregate it will help the NBA if in 2025 the Celtics have to trade core players. The evidence we do have supports the idea fans prefer dynasties in basketball not parity.

And the current CBA is going to lead to more "KG in Minnesota" situations in which an ATG is stuck on a **** team that can't fix itself. We have two of em already in Milwaukee and Denver. It sucks.

[sp6r=underrated]

We're in the transition period from less restrictions to more restrictions.

This time was always going to feel the worst.

In a few years we would have adjusted contracts to the new CBA and it won't feel as bad as this

Yep...I don't know why people are ignoring this part. If Nuggets for example knew about the new CBA 3-4 years ago, then they probably would have acted differently..especially, I am not sure MPJ could have gotten a max in that scenario

The players get a set percentage of basketball related income. Every NBA team has to hit the salary floor by the first day of the season.

Since the CBA caps maximum salaries and rookie salaries the money has to flow to the MPJ of the world because you're not allowed to spend it on rookies or superstars but you have to spend it on someone.

[NO-KG-AI]

It's going to become very difficult to win a championship without really impactful players on rookie deals, or guys taking big pay cuts.

Perhaps it's my bias as an OKC fan but I wish players that a team drafted only counted as a smaller percentage against the cap. This would incentivize homegrown teams rather than free agency heavy ones. If you draft and develop a player, you should see some kind of discount against the cap for retaining them.

The problem is that neither Hartenstein nor Caruso are home grown and the Thunder signed or extended both guys knowing those rookie contracts don't last forever.

This. I know being an OKC fan and seeing the CBA is frustrating because you’ve made amazing pick ups in the draft and that should be rewarded.

But reality is, it’s a 2-3 year window to really dominate the league and reel off a few championships, after that Chet and maybe even JDub are gone but you’ll get draft capital in return and with how you’ve been picking at the draft, it’s not all doom and gloom.

It’s sort of like it’s always been. If you do it right, you keep 2 maybe 3 guys at the top end, and you replinish talent around them every few years and have a few windows of dominance with pockets of years where you are still good and have a puncher’s chance.

[NO-KG-AI]

Also, the Thunder’s best player wasn’t drafted by them, and neither was the guy they traded for him.

[AussieBuck]

It sucks if you operate under this CBA like you're still governed by previous ones. Teams will figure it out.

[zimpy27]

We're in the transition period from less restrictions to more restrictions.

This time was always going to feel the worst.

In a few years we would have adjusted contracts to the new CBA and it won't feel as bad as this

Yep...I don't know why people are ignoring this part. If Nuggets for example knew about the new CBA 3-4 years ago, then they probably would have acted differently..especially, I am not sure MPJ could have gotten a max in that scenario

The players get a set percentage of basketball related income. Every NBA team has to hit the salary floor by the first day of the season.

Since the CBA caps maximum salaries and rookie salaries the money has to flow to the MPJ of the world because you're not allowed to spend it on rookies or superstars but you have to spend it on someone.

Well that's not true, teams don't have any problem meeting salary floor in the NBA.

Money is mismanaged if it goes to MPJs as a max. They paid him the max because they wanted the 5 years locked in as they thought he was an all star on the rise.

[JujitsuFlip]

Cba is great, saved us from endless LeBron and Warriors finals. Small market teams actually have a chance now, and rich teams can't just buy the title

Compare this with the Dodgers and baseball, where the season is already over for half the league.

This is one of the reasons I have never cared about MLB. Even during the one or two years my home team was actually good (they always suck), I just couldn't give two caps because said team never spends money so they never have a real chance.

You've gotta be a Reds fan, sounds spot on for the Castellini's lol

[Ducklett]

Cba is great, saved us from endless LeBron and Warriors finals. Small market teams actually have a chance now, and rich teams can't just buy the title

Compare this with the Dodgers and baseball, where the season is already over for half the league.

This is one of the reasons I have never cared about MLB. Even during the one or two years my home team was actually good (they always suck), I just couldn't give two caps because said team never spends money so they never have a real chance.

You've gotta be a Reds fan, sounds spot on for the Castellini's lol

Close! Four letter word that starts with R.

[sp6r=underrated]

Yep...I don't know why people are ignoring this part. If Nuggets for example knew about the new CBA 3-4 years ago, then they probably would have acted differently..especially, I am not sure MPJ could have gotten a max in that scenario

The players get a set percentage of basketball related income. Every NBA team has to hit the salary floor by the first day of the season.

Since the CBA caps maximum salaries and rookie salaries the money has to flow to the MPJ of the world because you're not allowed to spend it on rookies or superstars but you have to spend it on someone.

Well that's not true, teams don't have any problem meeting salary floor in the NBA.

Money is mismanaged if it goes to MPJs as a max. They paid him the max because they wanted the 5 years locked in as they thought he was an all star on the rise.

Teams hit the floor by giving out bad contracts. If every NBA team adopted the mindset we're not going to overpay veteran free agents most NBA teams would have massive problems filling out their roster and hitting the salary floor.

The reason it would be a massive problem is the CBA requires most free agents to get paid above production due to the constraints on paying rookie and superstars their true value.

[Patches Perry]

It's going to become very difficult to win a championship without really impactful players on rookie deals, or guys taking big pay cuts.

Perhaps it's my bias as an OKC fan but I wish players that a team drafted only counted as a smaller percentage against the cap. This would incentivize homegrown teams rather than free agency heavy ones. If you draft and develop a player, you should see some kind of discount against the cap for retaining them.

The problem is that neither Hartenstein nor Caruso are home grown and the Thunder signed or extended both guys knowing those rookie contracts don't last forever.

I'm aware that Hartenstein and Caruso aren't homegrown, but Dub, Chet, Wallace, Wiggins, Jwill are and arguably Dort (undrafted but started his career with OKC on a two way deal).

Thats 5-6 of their top 8-9 rotation players.

[Lockdown504090]

Supermax money should not count towards the cap in any way if they are on the team that drafted them. I dont see how jokic and giannis leaving their teams makes the league better.

[Patches Perry]

It's going to become very difficult to win a championship without really impactful players on rookie deals, or guys taking big pay cuts.

Perhaps it's my bias as an OKC fan but I wish players that a team drafted only counted as a smaller percentage against the cap. This would incentivize homegrown teams rather than free agency heavy ones. If you draft and develop a player, you should see some kind of discount against the cap for retaining them.

The problem is that neither Hartenstein nor Caruso are home grown and the Thunder signed or extended both guys knowing those rookie contracts don't last forever.

This. I know being an OKC fan and seeing the CBA is frustrating because you’ve made amazing pick ups in the draft and that should be rewarded.

But reality is, it’s a 2-3 year window to really dominate the league and reel off a few championships, after that Chet and maybe even JDub are gone but you’ll get draft capital in return and with how you’ve been picking at the draft, it’s not all doom and gloom.

That is the reality yes, I was speaking on the ought.

The current CBA incentivizes player movement in order to balance talent disparities, and it kills player-fan relationship continuity. Pros and cons I guess.

[Johnny Tomala]

The second apron rules are too strict but Celtics were way too stupid to sign overrated Jrue to extension.