Is Siakam trade one of the most lopsided trades of recent times?

[nikster]

No, the way TOR and Siakam handled the situation made it very hard to teade value for him.

The issue with Raptors fans (reddit and here) is that they get fed media from the same company that owns the team lol.

That and the whole "Canada" aspect makes a lot of Raptors fans (and used to be myself) serious biased homers.

But you are 1000% right. Masai Ujiri did not handle the departure of the Raptors players, at that time, right. He was to preoccupied with trying to pave the way for Scottie Barnes.

His handling of Siakam was disgusting. Siakam wanted to stay, but Masai didn't want that to happen and the team shunned him out. To a lesser extent same with OG. [url]And of course Fred Van Vleet didn't feel valued and left[/url].

All 3 where major players in this playoffs. All for what? A chance for Scottie Barnes to be a "franchise player". After this down year of Scottie Barnes it's so bad to think the Raptors could've had Siakam, FVV, OG, AND Kevin Durant these last years.

Just think Masai has lost his touch and yes, Siakam was ran out of town.

Where the did you get the idea FVV didn't feel valued? Every indication was he was gonna resign until Houston pivoted and decided to throw a massive bag at him, way more than any other team was going to give him

[TheAlchemist]

Imagine this: your team just won the championship. The core is strong, the system works, and you can realistically contend for another title—or two.

Then your franchise superstar walks.

Now what?

Option 1: Replace the talent. Bring in someone who can shoulder 60–70% of that superstar’s load. Package depth, use draft picks, clear cap—do what contenders do.
Option 2: Recognize the mountain’s too steep without a lead alpha. Sell high, flip veterans for assets, and start a proper rebuild.
Option 3: Stay the course. Re-sign key players, keep the culture intact, and see how far the team can go.
Option 4: Do absolutely nothing. Let free agents walk. Don't trade. Don’t rebuild. Don’t contend. Just… stall.

Masai Ujiri chose Option 4.

Kawhi left—we get it. But the decisions (or indecisions) that followed? That’s where it gets baffling.
No move for a Kawhi-lite replacement like Jimmy Butler. No aggressive retool. No full teardown.

Instead:

- Marc Gasol: Walked for nothing. The cost? Jonas Valanciunas and picks.

- Serge Ibaka: Left to join Kawhi. Again—no effort to re-sign, no trade, no return.

- Kyle Lowry: Philly reportedly offered Tyrese Maxey. Masai declined, and settled for Precious Achiuwa and Goran Dragic in a quiet sign-and-trade.

- Norman Powell: Wanted to retire a Raptor. Traded for Gary Trent Jr. (who had been trash).

- OG Anunoby: Passed on a reported trade from Portland—Shaedon Sharpe and the #7 pick. Later dealt OG for RJ Barrett and Immanuel Quickley—good players, but not Sharpe-level upside.

- Pascal Siakam: Traded for filler and late firsts. Picks in the 20s don’t replace an All-NBA forward.

- Scottie Barnes: Chose not to move him in a package for Kevin Durant, even with a win-now core of Siakam, OG, and FVV. That team could’ve been a legitimate Finals threat.

He didn’t commit to contending. He didn’t commit to rebuilding. He hovered. He hesitated. He waited—too long.

And yet, Raptors fans still defend him like he’s infallible.

Look back. Connect the dots. This wasn’t patience—it was paralysis. And yes, Siakam trade was completely lopsided.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Webber for Richmond was a great trade

[sprewellchokes]

The trade ended up being Ingram +Ochai+Walter for the Raps. Ingram can be a 22+pt scorer, Ochai was drafted #15 3 years ago and shot 40% this year while being a good POA defender vs guards. Walter at #19 is a rookie so maybe give him time but he has shown flashes of being a starter level guy someday. His 3pt shooting got better every single month and shot over 40% the last 2 months....all while playing well defensively.

Masai did a great job turning those assets into their likely top scorer next year and possibly 2 3+D guards in the rotation. Of course Ingram's health is a concern...but fir all we know, he could be moved in the future for another deal.

It's funny because all Raps fans heard was "Masai over rates his players in trade talks". Maybe he knew how good they were and its the other GM's fault for not knowing it and stepping up to grab them.

Execs knew the value of those players too. Because they scouted those players and they come from a winning program. They’re not casual fans that don’t get exposure to the Canadian team.
So they don’t rely on bill Simmons to create the narratives on our players. Masai was been capricious with their contracts. GMs knew the longer you wait the lower the value. So gms smelled blood and kept low ballin until they got their guys. The raptors FO didn’t want to pay them after they got owned by DeMar’s daughter at a play-in game. Siakam fits perfectly with the pacers and they’re winning so it’ll looks bad on the raptors. But for those saying the raptors got fleeced would you be saying that if the headline was Siakam for Ingram,Walter and Ochai?

[Beethoven]

Just testing my new sig, excuse me.

[sprewellchokes]

It's complete cope from Raptors fans that it's actually a Pascal for Ingram trade. The Raptors got lucky that Ingram had a five-month ankle sprain that tanked his value and there's still no sign that he is capable of leading a winning team.

I was surprised that the Raptors traded for Ingram, but I know they did it because they got him at a "discount" (trade wise..not his contract).

I can't help but wonder what the Raptors long term plans are. They have a group of talented players that don't seem to fit well together. Maybe next season is the year that it works out?

Barnes, Barrett Ingram and Quickley all ave 5 plus assist per game they’ll be fine. Stop listening to Bill Simmons

[Tripod]

Imagine this: your team just won the championship. The core is strong, the system works, and you can realistically contend for another title—or two.

Then your franchise superstar walks.

Now what?

Option 1: Replace the talent. Bring in someone who can shoulder 60–70% of that superstar’s load. Package depth, use draft picks, clear cap—do what contenders do.
Option 2: Recognize the mountain’s too steep without a lead alpha. Sell high, flip veterans for assets, and start a proper rebuild.
Option 3: Stay the course. Re-sign key players, keep the culture intact, and see how far the team can go.
Option 4: Do absolutely nothing. Let free agents walk. Don't trade. Don’t rebuild. Don’t contend. Just… stall.

Masai Ujiri chose Option 4.

Kawhi left—we get it. But the decisions (or indecisions) that followed? That’s where it gets baffling.
No move for a Kawhi-lite replacement like Jimmy Butler. No aggressive retool. No full teardown.

Instead:

- Marc Gasol: Walked for nothing. The cost? Jonas Valanciunas and picks.

- Serge Ibaka: Left to join Kawhi. Again—no effort to re-sign, no trade, no return.

- Kyle Lowry: Philly reportedly offered Tyrese Maxey. Masai declined, and settled for Precious Achiuwa and Goran Dragic in a quiet sign-and-trade.

- Norman Powell: Wanted to retire a Raptor. Traded for Gary Trent Jr. (who had been trash).

- OG Anunoby: Passed on a reported trade from Portland—Shaedon Sharpe and the #7 pick. Later dealt OG for RJ Barrett and Immanuel Quickley—good players, but not Sharpe-level upside.

- Pascal Siakam: Traded for filler and late firsts. Picks in the 20s don’t replace an All-NBA forward.

- Scottie Barnes: Chose not to move him in a package for Kevin Durant, even with a win-now core of Siakam, OG, and FVV. That team could’ve been a legitimate Finals threat.

He didn’t commit to contending. He didn’t commit to rebuilding. He hovered. He hesitated. He waited—too long.

And yet, Raptors fans still defend him like he’s infallible.

Look back. Connect the dots. This wasn’t patience—it was paralysis. And yes, Siakam trade was completely lopsided.

This is void of context. Yes Masai made mistakes, but everything you mention isn't truth.

Yup, Kawhi left. But it's not like there was magically $ available to spend on a UFA.

Raps were the 2nd best team in the league post Championship record wise when covid hit. So it's not like they cratered without Kawhi.

They lost in the bubble in the playoffs and a big reason was SIAKAM showing up out of shape and underperforming.

Yes Gasol and Serge left because they were UFA's after that 2020 season where they were going for a repeat. There was no "opportunity" to trade them....same with Kawhi.

Masai at this point was hoping Giannis came available and he didn't. He 100% failed in not replacing them by getting a reliable C.

2020-21 they had to play every home game in Tampa. Certainly an unusual season. They traded Powell for a younger SG with upside. People ignore that the deal was with Portland and Portand essentially salary dumped him. Every other team could of had him and passed. GTJ showed some promise but never improved.

That Lowry for Maxey deal was debunked. He was a UFA and they sent him where he wanted to go as a thank you for being the GROAT.

OG trade vs what could have been is still TBD

Siakam trade...Masai turned it into a 22pt scorer in Ingram+Ochai(shot 40% from 3+D)+Walter who's 3pt shooting improved every month as a rookie and shot over 40% the last 2 months.

Scottie Barnes for Durant...how many teams trade their ROTY in the season right after? And it wasn't just Barnes because the big difference in cap. It might have been OG+Barnes. We don't know. And at that point, still had no C so it was far from a team ready to compete.

So context is needed for a whole bunch of these things you listed. It isn't cut and dry like "they got nothing for Kawhi, Serge, Gasol, etc..."

Masai absolutely failed at not adding a C early enough. And yeah he could have moved OG or Siakam earlier but "Masai overrates his players" right?

Funny how there is no mention of the earlier Siakam deal where they could have gotten Bufkin and Griffin but declined. You know, where the Raps were idiots for not taking it.

And you ignore that the Siakam deal opened up cap space to take on Davion+2 2nds...which is now Shead+#39 this year+2nd from LA in future.

Siakam for Ingram+Ochai+Walter+Shead+#39+2nd is a fine return. It's helped build up the Raps depth they lacked.

[Duffman100]

Imagine this: your team just won the championship. The core is strong, the system works, and you can realistically contend for another title—or two.

Then your franchise superstar walks.

Now what?

Option 1: Replace the talent. Bring in someone who can shoulder 60–70% of that superstar’s load. Package depth, use draft picks, clear cap—do what contenders do.
Option 2: Recognize the mountain’s too steep without a lead alpha. Sell high, flip veterans for assets, and start a proper rebuild.
Option 3: Stay the course. Re-sign key players, keep the culture intact, and see how far the team can go.
Option 4: Do absolutely nothing. Let free agents walk. Don't trade. Don’t rebuild. Don’t contend. Just… stall.

Masai Ujiri chose Option 4.

Kawhi left—we get it. But the decisions (or indecisions) that followed? That’s where it gets baffling.
No move for a Kawhi-lite replacement like Jimmy Butler. No aggressive retool. No full teardown.

Instead:

- Marc Gasol: Walked for nothing. The cost? Jonas Valanciunas and picks.

- Serge Ibaka: Left to join Kawhi. Again—no effort to re-sign, no trade, no return.

- Kyle Lowry: Philly reportedly offered Tyrese Maxey. Masai declined, and settled for Precious Achiuwa and Goran Dragic in a quiet sign-and-trade.

- Norman Powell: Wanted to retire a Raptor. Traded for Gary Trent Jr. (who had been trash).

- OG Anunoby: Passed on a reported trade from Portland—Shaedon Sharpe and the #7 pick. Later dealt OG for RJ Barrett and Immanuel Quickley—good players, but not Sharpe-level upside.

- Pascal Siakam: Traded for filler and late firsts. Picks in the 20s don’t replace an All-NBA forward.

- Scottie Barnes: Chose not to move him in a package for Kevin Durant, even with a win-now core of Siakam, OG, and FVV. That team could’ve been a legitimate Finals threat.

He didn’t commit to contending. He didn’t commit to rebuilding. He hovered. He hesitated. He waited—too long.

And yet, Raptors fans still defend him like he’s infallible.

Look back. Connect the dots. This wasn’t patience—it was paralysis. And yes, Siakam trade was completely lopsided.

This is void of context. Yes Masai made mistakes, but everything you mention isn't truth.

Yup, Kawhi left. But it's not like there was magically $ available to spend on a UFA.

Raps were the 2nd best team in the league post Championship record wise when covid hit. So it's not like they cratered without Kawhi.

They lost in the bubble in the playoffs and a big reason was SIAKAM showing up out of shape and underperforming.

Yes Gasol and Serge left because they were UFA's after that 2020 season where they were going for a repeat. There was no "opportunity" to trade them....same with Kawhi.

Masai at this point was hoping Giannis came available and he didn't. He 100% failed in not replacing them by getting a reliable C.

2020-21 they had to play every home game in Tampa. Certainly an unusual season. They traded Powell for a younger SG with upside. People ignore that the deal was with Portland and Portand essentially salary dumped him. Every other team could of had him and passed. GTJ showed some promise but never improved.

That Lowry for Maxey deal was debunked. He was a UFA and they sent him where he wanted to go as a thank you for being the GROAT.

OG trade vs what could have been is still TBD

Siakam trade...Masai turned it into a 22pt scorer in Ingram+Ochai(shot 40% from 3+D)+Walter who's 3pt shooting improved every month as a rookie and shot over 40% the last 2 months.

Scottie Barnes for Durant...how many teams trade their ROTY in the season right after? And it wasn't just Barnes because the big difference in cap. It might have been OG+Barnes. We don't know. And at that point, still had no C so it was far from a team ready to compete.

So context is needed for a whole bunch of these things you listed. It isn't cut and dry like "they got nothing for Kawhi, Serge, Gasol, etc..."

Masai absolutely failed at not adding a C early enough. And yeah he could have moved OG or Siakam earlier but "Masai overrates his players" right?

Funny how there is no mention of the earlier Siakam deal where they could have gotten Bufkin and Griffin but declined. You know, where the Raps were idiots for not taking it.

And you ignore that the Siakam deal opened up cap space to take on Davion+2 2nds...which is now Shead+#39 this year+2nd from LA in future.

Siakam for Ingram+Ochai+Walter+Shead+#39+2nd is a fine return. It's helped build up the Raps depth they lacked.

It's not just devoid of context. It's intentionally disengous from a poster who has regularly been identified as a troll.

[Los_29]

Imagine this: your team just won the championship. The core is strong, the system works, and you can realistically contend for another title—or two.

Then your franchise superstar walks.

Now what?

Option 1: Replace the talent. Bring in someone who can shoulder 60–70% of that superstar’s load. Package depth, use draft picks, clear cap—do what contenders do.
Option 2: Recognize the mountain’s too steep without a lead alpha. Sell high, flip veterans for assets, and start a proper rebuild.
Option 3: Stay the course. Re-sign key players, keep the culture intact, and see how far the team can go.
Option 4: Do absolutely nothing. Let free agents walk. Don't trade. Don’t rebuild. Don’t contend. Just… stall.

Masai Ujiri chose Option 4.

Kawhi left—we get it. But the decisions (or indecisions) that followed? That’s where it gets baffling.
No move for a Kawhi-lite replacement like Jimmy Butler. No aggressive retool. No full teardown.

Instead:

- Marc Gasol: Walked for nothing. The cost? Jonas Valanciunas and picks.

- Serge Ibaka: Left to join Kawhi. Again—no effort to re-sign, no trade, no return.

- Kyle Lowry: Philly reportedly offered Tyrese Maxey. Masai declined, and settled for Precious Achiuwa and Goran Dragic in a quiet sign-and-trade.

- Norman Powell: Wanted to retire a Raptor. Traded for Gary Trent Jr. (who had been trash).

- OG Anunoby: Passed on a reported trade from Portland—Shaedon Sharpe and the #7 pick. Later dealt OG for RJ Barrett and Immanuel Quickley—good players, but not Sharpe-level upside.

- Pascal Siakam: Traded for filler and late firsts. Picks in the 20s don’t replace an All-NBA forward.

- Scottie Barnes: Chose not to move him in a package for Kevin Durant, even with a win-now core of Siakam, OG, and FVV. That team could’ve been a legitimate Finals threat.

He didn’t commit to contending. He didn’t commit to rebuilding. He hovered. He hesitated. He waited—too long.

And yet, Raptors fans still defend him like he’s infallible.

Look back. Connect the dots. This wasn’t patience—it was paralysis. And yes, Siakam trade was completely lopsided.

This is void of context. Yes Masai made mistakes, but everything you mention isn't truth.

Yup, Kawhi left. But it's not like there was magically $ available to spend on a UFA.

Raps were the 2nd best team in the league post Championship record wise when covid hit. So it's not like they cratered without Kawhi.

They lost in the bubble in the playoffs and a big reason was SIAKAM showing up out of shape and underperforming.

Yes Gasol and Serge left because they were UFA's after that 2020 season where they were going for a repeat. There was no "opportunity" to trade them....same with Kawhi.

Masai at this point was hoping Giannis came available and he didn't. He 100% failed in not replacing them by getting a reliable C.

2020-21 they had to play every home game in Tampa. Certainly an unusual season. They traded Powell for a younger SG with upside. People ignore that the deal was with Portland and Portand essentially salary dumped him. Every other team could of had him and passed. GTJ showed some promise but never improved.

That Lowry for Maxey deal was debunked. He was a UFA and they sent him where he wanted to go as a thank you for being the GROAT.

OG trade vs what could have been is still TBD

Siakam trade...Masai turned it into a 22pt scorer in Ingram+Ochai(shot 40% from 3+D)+Walter who's 3pt shooting improved every month as a rookie and shot over 40% the last 2 months.

Scottie Barnes for Durant...how many teams trade their ROTY in the season right after? And it wasn't just Barnes because the big difference in cap. It might have been OG+Barnes. We don't know. And at that point, still had no C so it was far from a team ready to compete.

So context is needed for a whole bunch of these things you listed. It isn't cut and dry like "they got nothing for Kawhi, Serge, Gasol, etc..."

Masai absolutely failed at not adding a C early enough. And yeah he could have moved OG or Siakam earlier but "Masai overrates his players" right?

Funny how there is no mention of the earlier Siakam deal where they could have gotten Bufkin and Griffin but declined. You know, where the Raps were idiots for not taking it.

And you ignore that the Siakam deal opened up cap space to take on Davion+2 2nds...which is now Shead+#39 this year+2nd from LA in future.

Siakam for Ingram+Ochai+Walter+Shead+#39+2nd is a fine return. It's helped build up the Raps depth they lacked.

It's not just devoid of context. It's intentionally disengous from a poster who has regularly been identified as a troll.

Yeah his post history suggests he argues in bad faith and has no intention of being objective. He does get a rise out of people but less people are taking the bait.

[Biff]

Pacers came out ahead but IMO still a win win trade. Maybe another team would have given them something that would have shown more at this time but more than likely, that was the best offer they got and hindsight is always better than foresight.

[Slimjimzv]

In a world where Luka was traded for Davis, this doesn't make a dent.

[TheAlchemist]

Imagine this: your team just won the championship. The core is strong, the system works, and you can realistically contend for another title—or two.

Then your franchise superstar walks.

Now what?

Option 1: Replace the talent. Bring in someone who can shoulder 60–70% of that superstar’s load. Package depth, use draft picks, clear cap—do what contenders do.
Option 2: Recognize the mountain’s too steep without a lead alpha. Sell high, flip veterans for assets, and start a proper rebuild.
Option 3: Stay the course. Re-sign key players, keep the culture intact, and see how far the team can go.
Option 4: Do absolutely nothing. Let free agents walk. Don't trade. Don’t rebuild. Don’t contend. Just… stall.

Masai Ujiri chose Option 4.

Kawhi left—we get it. But the decisions (or indecisions) that followed? That’s where it gets baffling.
No move for a Kawhi-lite replacement like Jimmy Butler. No aggressive retool. No full teardown.

Instead:

- Marc Gasol: Walked for nothing. The cost? Jonas Valanciunas and picks.

- Serge Ibaka: Left to join Kawhi. Again—no effort to re-sign, no trade, no return.

- Kyle Lowry: Philly reportedly offered Tyrese Maxey. Masai declined, and settled for Precious Achiuwa and Goran Dragic in a quiet sign-and-trade.

- Norman Powell: Wanted to retire a Raptor. Traded for Gary Trent Jr. (who had been trash).

- OG Anunoby: Passed on a reported trade from Portland—Shaedon Sharpe and the #7 pick. Later dealt OG for RJ Barrett and Immanuel Quickley—good players, but not Sharpe-level upside.

- Pascal Siakam: Traded for filler and late firsts. Picks in the 20s don’t replace an All-NBA forward.

- Scottie Barnes: Chose not to move him in a package for Kevin Durant, even with a win-now core of Siakam, OG, and FVV. That team could’ve been a legitimate Finals threat.

He didn’t commit to contending. He didn’t commit to rebuilding. He hovered. He hesitated. He waited—too long.

And yet, Raptors fans still defend him like he’s infallible.

Look back. Connect the dots. This wasn’t patience—it was paralysis. And yes, Siakam trade was completely lopsided.

This is void of context. Yes Masai made mistakes, but everything you mention isn't truth.

Yup, Kawhi left. But it's not like there was magically $ available to spend on a UFA.

Raps were the 2nd best team in the league post Championship record wise when covid hit. So it's not like they cratered without Kawhi.

They lost in the bubble in the playoffs and a big reason was SIAKAM showing up out of shape and underperforming.

Yes Gasol and Serge left because they were UFA's after that 2020 season where they were going for a repeat. There was no "opportunity" to trade them....same with Kawhi.

Masai at this point was hoping Giannis came available and he didn't. He 100% failed in not replacing them by getting a reliable C.

2020-21 they had to play every home game in Tampa. Certainly an unusual season. They traded Powell for a younger SG with upside. People ignore that the deal was with Portland and Portand essentially salary dumped him. Every other team could of had him and passed. GTJ showed some promise but never improved.

That Lowry for Maxey deal was debunked. He was a UFA and they sent him where he wanted to go as a thank you for being the GROAT.

OG trade vs what could have been is still TBD

Siakam trade...Masai turned it into a 22pt scorer in Ingram+Ochai(shot 40% from 3+D)+Walter who's 3pt shooting improved every month as a rookie and shot over 40% the last 2 months.

Scottie Barnes for Durant...how many teams trade their ROTY in the season right after? And it wasn't just Barnes because the big difference in cap. It might have been OG+Barnes. We don't know. And at that point, still had no C so it was far from a team ready to compete.

So context is needed for a whole bunch of these things you listed. It isn't cut and dry like "they got nothing for Kawhi, Serge, Gasol, etc..."

Masai absolutely failed at not adding a C early enough. And yeah he could have moved OG or Siakam earlier but "Masai overrates his players" right?

Funny how there is no mention of the earlier Siakam deal where they could have gotten Bufkin and Griffin but declined. You know, where the Raps were idiots for not taking it.

And you ignore that the Siakam deal opened up cap space to take on Davion+2 2nds...which is now Shead+#39 this year+2nd from LA in future.

Siakam for Ingram+Ochai+Walter+Shead+#39+2nd is a fine return. It's helped build up the Raps depth they lacked.

It's not just devoid of context. It's intentionally disengous from a poster who has regularly been identified as a troll.

At this point, I think you're just completely upset that not everyone is biased like you.

Take it easy, sit back, relax. No need to call anyone a troll.

My take was completely valid. It's a take. And it's a decent one too. Sure you can disagree and say context wasn't taken, and that's fine. But it's not like I made something up out of thin air. Masai has sucked, completely. The Raptors haven't made the playoffs in ages. More then a couple star players have walked away or left in the last 5 years for nothing. This doesn't need context, it's an objective evaluation of the job a guy has done.

You know the great thing about life is that everyone has an opinion. That may be different then yours.

[TheAlchemist]

In a world where Luka was traded for Davis, this doesn't make a dent.

Oh for sure, this trade had a return value, and it wasn't a robbery or a heist. It just wasn't equitable.

The Luka for Davis was perhaps the worst trade of league history. Nothing can come close to that.

That being said, I'm glad the Pacers got Siakam, he's an amazing player and I can't believe he's about to be in the finals again. He definitely is a great, great secondary offensive player.

And one thing to the Raptors credit, it gave them enough picks / contracts to get Ingram, which to me is a pretty damn good trade. So there's that.

[djsunyc]

if you can wait a year and a half to make this thread, then you can wait another two or three more to see how ingram + ochai + jakobe play.

[Duffman100]

This is void of context. Yes Masai made mistakes, but everything you mention isn't truth.

Yup, Kawhi left. But it's not like there was magically $ available to spend on a UFA.

Raps were the 2nd best team in the league post Championship record wise when covid hit. So it's not like they cratered without Kawhi.

They lost in the bubble in the playoffs and a big reason was SIAKAM showing up out of shape and underperforming.

Yes Gasol and Serge left because they were UFA's after that 2020 season where they were going for a repeat. There was no "opportunity" to trade them....same with Kawhi.

Masai at this point was hoping Giannis came available and he didn't. He 100% failed in not replacing them by getting a reliable C.

2020-21 they had to play every home game in Tampa. Certainly an unusual season. They traded Powell for a younger SG with upside. People ignore that the deal was with Portland and Portand essentially salary dumped him. Every other team could of had him and passed. GTJ showed some promise but never improved.

That Lowry for Maxey deal was debunked. He was a UFA and they sent him where he wanted to go as a thank you for being the GROAT.

OG trade vs what could have been is still TBD

Siakam trade...Masai turned it into a 22pt scorer in Ingram+Ochai(shot 40% from 3+D)+Walter who's 3pt shooting improved every month as a rookie and shot over 40% the last 2 months.

Scottie Barnes for Durant...how many teams trade their ROTY in the season right after? And it wasn't just Barnes because the big difference in cap. It might have been OG+Barnes. We don't know. And at that point, still had no C so it was far from a team ready to compete.

So context is needed for a whole bunch of these things you listed. It isn't cut and dry like "they got nothing for Kawhi, Serge, Gasol, etc..."

Masai absolutely failed at not adding a C early enough. And yeah he could have moved OG or Siakam earlier but "Masai overrates his players" right?

Funny how there is no mention of the earlier Siakam deal where they could have gotten Bufkin and Griffin but declined. You know, where the Raps were idiots for not taking it.

And you ignore that the Siakam deal opened up cap space to take on Davion+2 2nds...which is now Shead+#39 this year+2nd from LA in future.

Siakam for Ingram+Ochai+Walter+Shead+#39+2nd is a fine return. It's helped build up the Raps depth they lacked.

It's not just devoid of context. It's intentionally disengous from a poster who has regularly been identified as a troll.

At this point, I think you're just completely upset that not everyone is biased like you.

Take it easy, sit back, relax. No need to call anyone a troll.

My take was completely valid. It's a take. And it's a decent one too. Sure you can disagree and say context wasn't taken, and that's fine. But it's not like I made something up out of thin air. Masai has sucked, completely. The Raptors haven't made the playoffs in ages. More then a couple star players have walked away or left in the last 5 years for nothing. This doesn't need context, it's an objective evaluation of the job a guy has done.

You know the great thing about life is that everyone has an opinion. That may be different then yours.

You realize I can quickly check and see how many times you've been warned for trolling the Raptor fans right?

[TheAlchemist]

It's not just devoid of context. It's intentionally disengous from a poster who has regularly been identified as a troll.

At this point, I think you're just completely upset that not everyone is biased like you.

Take it easy, sit back, relax. No need to call anyone a troll.

My take was completely valid. It's a take. And it's a decent one too. Sure you can disagree and say context wasn't taken, and that's fine. But it's not like I made something up out of thin air. Masai has sucked, completely. The Raptors haven't made the playoffs in ages. More then a couple star players have walked away or left in the last 5 years for nothing. This doesn't need context, it's an objective evaluation of the job a guy has done.

You know the great thing about life is that everyone has an opinion. That may be different then yours.

You realize I can quickly check and see how many times you've been warned for trolling the Raptor fans right?

I find the fact that you abuse your powers so blatantly and openly, to be shocking. Do you think I sit here and on purpose go about my day trying to troll Raptors fans? When I am a Raptors fan myself? If I find Masai Ujiri to be a pretty overrated GM and have written how bad he is, that's all in context of this thread and my opinion.

Go look it up. To me you seem like you abuse your powers as a moderator quite a bit and this website has let that happen. If you think my post was trolling, then that's honest to God sad. Because I love the Raptors and if I express my opinion on a general board about how bad the GM is, it is completely okay.

You gotta look at yourself objectively man lol.

[Duffman100]

At this point, I think you're just completely upset that not everyone is biased like you.

Take it easy, sit back, relax. No need to call anyone a troll.

My take was completely valid. It's a take. And it's a decent one too. Sure you can disagree and say context wasn't taken, and that's fine. But it's not like I made something up out of thin air. Masai has sucked, completely. The Raptors haven't made the playoffs in ages. More then a couple star players have walked away or left in the last 5 years for nothing. This doesn't need context, it's an objective evaluation of the job a guy has done.

You know the great thing about life is that everyone has an opinion. That may be different then yours.

You realize I can quickly check and see how many times you've been warned for trolling the Raptor fans right?

I find the fact that you abuse your powers so blatantly and openly, to be shocking. Do you think I sit here and on purpose go about my day trying to troll Raptors fans? When I am a Raptors fan myself? If I find Masai Ujiri to be a pretty overrated GM and have written how bad he is, that's all in context of this thread and my opinion.

Go look it up. To me you seem like you abuse your powers as a moderator quite a bit and this website has let that happen. If you think my post was trolling, then that's honest to God sad. Because I love the Raptors and if I express my opinion on a general board about how bad the GM is, it is completely okay.

You gotta look at yourself objectively man lol.

Abuse my powers? It's not me always warning you bro.

Do you really need me to break down why your post is nonsense?

[TheAlchemist]

You realize I can quickly check and see how many times you've been warned for trolling the Raptor fans right?

I find the fact that you abuse your powers so blatantly and openly, to be shocking. Do you think I sit here and on purpose go about my day trying to troll Raptors fans? When I am a Raptors fan myself? If I find Masai Ujiri to be a pretty overrated GM and have written how bad he is, that's all in context of this thread and my opinion.

Go look it up. To me you seem like you abuse your powers as a moderator quite a bit and this website has let that happen. If you think my post was trolling, then that's honest to God sad. Because I love the Raptors and if I express my opinion on a general board about how bad the GM is, it is completely okay.

You gotta look at yourself objectively man lol.

Abuse my powers? It's not me warning you bro.

You've banned me from the Raptors board, quickly with 3 strikes. I was supposed to be reinstated back. Those 3 strikes happened years ago, I've messaged you privately to lift the ban.

I've been posting for quite a bit. Sure my posts may be critical about the Raptors moves, but that's all in my right of opinion. Unless you can't state your opinion on this website. Am I going about putting down fellow Toronto fans? No. But some may disagree and I totally think that's ok. Look at the post you quoted me on. Read it. Sure it could be a critical take. But it is not something completely unreasonable. Every one of the points I've made about how bad Masai Ujiri is, has objective facts behind it.

[Duffman100]

I find the fact that you abuse your powers so blatantly and openly, to be shocking. Do you think I sit here and on purpose go about my day trying to troll Raptors fans? When I am a Raptors fan myself? If I find Masai Ujiri to be a pretty overrated GM and have written how bad he is, that's all in context of this thread and my opinion.

Go look it up. To me you seem like you abuse your powers as a moderator quite a bit and this website has let that happen. If you think my post was trolling, then that's honest to God sad. Because I love the Raptors and if I express my opinion on a general board about how bad the GM is, it is completely okay.

You gotta look at yourself objectively man lol.

Abuse my powers? It's not me warning you bro.

You've banned me from the Raptors board, quickly with 3 strikes. I was supposed to be reinstated back. Those 3 strikes happened years ago, I've messaged you privately to lift the ban.

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You were banned for 12 hours for fake sources.

lol none of the rest is true.

[TheAlchemist]

Abuse my powers? It's not me warning you bro.

You've banned me from the Raptors board, quickly with 3 strikes. I was supposed to be reinstated back. Those 3 strikes happened years ago, I've messaged you privately to lift the ban.

.

You were banned for 12 hours for fake sources.

lol none of the rest is true.

I can't post on the board, it says i'm banned.

Like dude, I've messaged you privately about this many times. And my post is completely valid, it's a fan forum and people are allowed to state their opinions. Like it's bad when I can't post critically about Masai, when the majority of outside fans are in agreement and say the same thing.