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Re: What would you give for Garland ? 

Post#141 » by JujitsuFlip » Mon Jun 9, 2025 5:31 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:This dude can’t stay healthy, Cleveland was smart to shop him. Hes there to stay now and subsequently this injury almost forces Cleveland to try to retain Jerome by all means necessary.

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If you watched the Cavs in the playoffs this season, you'd know he had that injury.

The Cavs weren't just frauds like most people want you to believe. 4 of their 5 best players were injured lol
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Re: What would you give for Garland ? 

Post#142 » by facothomas22 » Mon Jun 9, 2025 5:36 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:This dude can’t stay healthy, Cleveland was smart to shop him. Hes there to stay now and subsequently this injury almost forces Cleveland to try to retain Jerome by all means necessary.

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Yeah this is going lower Garland by a bit here. The earliest the Cavaliers are be able to trade him and get something close to equal value back in return is towards the trade deadline.
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Re: What would you give for Garland ? 

Post#143 » by Wolveswin » Mon Jun 9, 2025 5:43 pm

facothomas22 wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:This dude can’t stay healthy, Cleveland was smart to shop him. Hes there to stay now and subsequently this injury almost forces Cleveland to try to retain Jerome by all means necessary.

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Yeah this is going lower Garland by a bit here. The earliest the Cavaliers are be able to trade him and get something close to equal value back in return is towards the trade deadline.

Still a great fit in MN. Conley on roster to start until Garland ready.
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Re: What would you give for Garland ? 

Post#144 » by Effigy » Mon Jun 9, 2025 5:59 pm

Wolveswin wrote:
facothomas22 wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:This dude can’t stay healthy, Cleveland was smart to shop him. Hes there to stay now and subsequently this injury almost forces Cleveland to try to retain Jerome by all means necessary.

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Yeah this is going lower Garland by a bit here. The earliest the Cavaliers are be able to trade him and get something close to equal value back in return is towards the trade deadline.

Still a great fit in MN. Conley on roster to start until Garland ready.


Agreed, but for what? If you can trade Randle for him, that's a home run, lol.
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Re: What would you give for Garland ? 

Post#145 » by JujitsuFlip » Mon Jun 9, 2025 6:01 pm

facothomas22 wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:This dude can’t stay healthy, Cleveland was smart to shop him. Hes there to stay now and subsequently this injury almost forces Cleveland to try to retain Jerome by all means necessary.

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Yeah this is going lower Garland by a bit here. The earliest the Cavaliers are be able to trade him and get something close to equal value back in return is towards the trade deadline.
At that point just keep him. Cavs have been a good regular season team for 4 years in a row now.
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Re: What would you give for Garland ? 

Post#146 » by Wolveswin » Mon Jun 9, 2025 6:10 pm

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facothomas22 wrote:

Yeah this is going lower Garland by a bit here. The earliest the Cavaliers are be able to trade him and get something close to equal value back in return is towards the trade deadline.

Still a great fit in MN. Conley on roster to start until Garland ready.


Agreed, but for what? If you can trade Randle for him, that's a home run, lol.

Wolves have the assets, just need to find a 3rd/4th team to get Cavs the right assets.

Randle/Dillingham/#17/Future 1st (if needed)/DDV (if needed)
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Re: What would you give for Garland ? 

Post#147 » by DowJones » Mon Jun 9, 2025 6:22 pm

Wolveswin wrote:
Effigy wrote:
Wolveswin wrote:Still a great fit in MN. Conley on roster to start until Garland ready.


Agreed, but for what? If you can trade Randle for him, that's a home run, lol.

Wolves have the assets, just need to find a 3rd/4th team to get Cavs the right assets.

Randle/Dillingham/#17/Future 1st (if needed)/DDV (if needed)


I can’t see any of that adding up to enough to get Cleveland to move Garland. It would have to be McDaniels plus in order to get Cleveland’s attention.
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Re: What would you give for Garland ? 

Post#148 » by Wolveswin » Mon Jun 9, 2025 6:24 pm

DowJones wrote:
Wolveswin wrote:
Effigy wrote:
Agreed, but for what? If you can trade Randle for him, that's a home run, lol.

Wolves have the assets, just need to find a 3rd/4th team to get Cavs the right assets.

Randle/Dillingham/#17/Future 1st (if needed)/DDV (if needed)


I can’t see any of that adding up to enough to get Cleveland to move Garland. It would have to be McDaniels plus in order to get Cleveland’s attention.

McDaniels is a nonstarter for Wolves. Right wrong or otherwise, Wolves see McDaniels > Garland.
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Re: What would you give for Garland ? 

Post#149 » by DowJones » Mon Jun 9, 2025 6:36 pm

Wolveswin wrote:
DowJones wrote:
Wolveswin wrote:Wolves have the assets, just need to find a 3rd/4th team to get Cavs the right assets.

Randle/Dillingham/#17/Future 1st (if needed)/DDV (if needed)


I can’t see any of that adding up to enough to get Cleveland to move Garland. It would have to be McDaniels plus in order to get Cleveland’s attention.

McDaniels is a nonstarter for Wolves. Right wrong or otherwise, Wolves see McDaniels > Garland.


And as a Cavs fan I would want more than just McDaniels for a player as good as Garland.

Minnesota just isn’t a good trading partner for Cleveland.
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Re: What would you give for Garland ? 

Post#150 » by ChumboChappati » Mon Jun 9, 2025 7:30 pm

JujitsuFlip wrote:
shi-woo wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:First and foremost, no JI is not All-Defense, he's never made a team, probably bc he's never healthy. And no, I'd much rather have actual All-Defense player Daniels over Scoot.

To your trades, they need context because your talent evaluation is very suspect.

Kyrie was 30, expiring, and had the vaccine drama.

Fox was a 1 time AS with 1.5 years left on his deal. Older than Garland too at 27, what has he ever accomplished in the playoffs?

White is a zero time AS and had accomplished exactly what in the playoffs to that point? Older than Garland at 27 too.

Harden was 34, expiring, and super overweight. Historic playoff choker.

Murray was a 1 time AS and has accomplished what exactly in the playoffs?

Dame was 33 and i believe requested a trade.

Jrue was 33 and expiring.

Out of your 7 examples you didn't name a single 2 time All-Star, who is 25, and locked up for 3 more years.

So what do i expect? A better package than anything you just listed.


But Garland is a worse player than all of those guys though, with the exception of maybe Murray who checked out. All those dudes have far more success than Garland, and they did it either as 1 options, or won rings. Saying he's an AS is meaningless in an NBA were Jamal Magloire, Kyle Korver, Mo Williams and Jeff Teague also had the honors. Derrick White is not an all star, but most people on this board would probably agree he's a better and more valuable player than Garland.

You' can nit pick the same for Garland. Doesn't fit with Mitch, silently asked out last offseason if reports are to be believed. Constant let down in the PO, and has been hurt the past two years when his team needed him. Hasn't proven to be able to play with another talented ball handler. Gets hunted like he's Trae Young on D.

Everything you said about his peers are true about him.

I'm not saying that is the best deal, but akin to what a Garland deal will probably look like, and gave you the past 7 trades of AS level to All NBA level guards to show precedence. 1 mid prospect and 2 mid picks. Reed and Brooks is the other trade example I gave, and think it would be wild if Garland went for anything more than that.

There are only a limited amount of teams who are in need of a PG, so I don't see the demand for him like that. He's not fetching young prospects like Amen or Franz, so it's either going to be okay starter level guys, or mid prospects. I think CLE would look to add depth at the wing, and add a guard piece for cheap, given they can just resign Ty to replace Garlands shooting and playmaking. Which is another aspect of the trade you are missing if it happens. The cap implications.
They're all better than Garland based on what? You being a Celtics fan? lol

More successful? I'll ask again, what have Fox and Murray ever accomplished in their careers? Really truly, put Dame in there too.

Harden went to the Finals 13 years ago as a bench player. Yes he won a MVP but he was also 9 years older than current Garland when he got traded. He was fat. He gets hunted just like Trae and Garland. And as i told you, he was expiring.

Kyrie won a ring with LeBron, as a 2nd option, he's did nothing else in his career. Was 8 years older than current Garland, expiring, and massive off court drama.

Derrick White accomplished exactly nothing until joining a stacked Boston team.

Jrue has won 2 rings now but he's always like the 4th best player on those teams, at best, he's a role player. And yet again i tell you, was expiring, old as dirt, etc etc.

P.S. it's hilarious you say Garland and Mitchell can't work together yet they just won 64 games together before both getting hurt in May. Jerome is also an UFA but i wouldn't expect you to know/care, as it doesn't fit your narrative.

what did I just read in bolded part? :crazy: So you think Garland is better than Kyrie, Fox, White, Harden, Murray, Dame and Jrue? :lol:
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Re: What would you give for Garland ? 

Post#151 » by littlerock2277 » Mon Jun 9, 2025 7:35 pm

Where would you rank garland amongst Point guards in the league? I have a hard time gauging his value.
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Re: What would you give for Garland ? 

Post#152 » by JujitsuFlip » Mon Jun 9, 2025 8:14 pm

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But Garland is a worse player than all of those guys though, with the exception of maybe Murray who checked out. All those dudes have far more success than Garland, and they did it either as 1 options, or won rings. Saying he's an AS is meaningless in an NBA were Jamal Magloire, Kyle Korver, Mo Williams and Jeff Teague also had the honors. Derrick White is not an all star, but most people on this board would probably agree he's a better and more valuable player than Garland.

You' can nit pick the same for Garland. Doesn't fit with Mitch, silently asked out last offseason if reports are to be believed. Constant let down in the PO, and has been hurt the past two years when his team needed him. Hasn't proven to be able to play with another talented ball handler. Gets hunted like he's Trae Young on D.

Everything you said about his peers are true about him.

I'm not saying that is the best deal, but akin to what a Garland deal will probably look like, and gave you the past 7 trades of AS level to All NBA level guards to show precedence. 1 mid prospect and 2 mid picks. Reed and Brooks is the other trade example I gave, and think it would be wild if Garland went for anything more than that.

There are only a limited amount of teams who are in need of a PG, so I don't see the demand for him like that. He's not fetching young prospects like Amen or Franz, so it's either going to be okay starter level guys, or mid prospects. I think CLE would look to add depth at the wing, and add a guard piece for cheap, given they can just resign Ty to replace Garlands shooting and playmaking. Which is another aspect of the trade you are missing if it happens. The cap implications.
They're all better than Garland based on what? You being a Celtics fan? lol

More successful? I'll ask again, what have Fox and Murray ever accomplished in their careers? Really truly, put Dame in there too.

Harden went to the Finals 13 years ago as a bench player. Yes he won a MVP but he was also 9 years older than current Garland when he got traded. He was fat. He gets hunted just like Trae and Garland. And as i told you, he was expiring.

Kyrie won a ring with LeBron, as a 2nd option, he's did nothing else in his career. Was 8 years older than current Garland, expiring, and massive off court drama.

Derrick White accomplished exactly nothing until joining a stacked Boston team.

Jrue has won 2 rings now but he's always like the 4th best player on those teams, at best, he's a role player. And yet again i tell you, was expiring, old as dirt, etc etc.

P.S. it's hilarious you say Garland and Mitchell can't work together yet they just won 64 games together before both getting hurt in May. Jerome is also an UFA but i wouldn't expect you to know/care, as it doesn't fit your narrative.

what did I just read in bolded part? :crazy: So you think Garland is better than Kyrie, Fox, White, Harden, Murray, Dame and Jrue?

Hmm.

Do i think he's better than a 35 year old Harden? Yes, the efficiency isn't close.

Fox, yes, as I've said before what has this guy ever did in his career? I'm a UK guy, i know he's quick but no, give me Garland. I can't have my PG shooting 27% from deep.

Dame is 35 and has a torn Achilles, yes, I easily believe Garland is better going forward.

Jrue is 35 and has one of the worst contracts in the NBA. Plus his production fell off this season. With the context, yes, I'm taking Garland.

Kyrie is 33 and has a torn ACL. Us Cavs fans love Kyrie but at this point in both their careers, I'm taking Garland, i don't even have to think twice about it. Kyrie is an expiring contract too.

Dejounte Murray is a tough one for me because with the Achilles tear, he may be 30 by the time he's all way back. He's never been a great shooter, i think with the context, I'm taking Garland.

White is the only guy mentioned that i believe is more valuable than Garland. Idc who is 'better' but to me White is more valuable. He won a title in 2024 and went to the Finals in 2022, like he's proved it, to me. The caveat here is, he was not that guy when the Celtics traded for him. So the poster i quoted trying to use White's trade as a barometer for what a 25 year old 2x All-Star locked up for 3 more years goes for, is flawed logic, in my book.
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Re: What would you give for Garland ? 

Post#153 » by Wingy » Mon Jun 9, 2025 8:33 pm

The Real Dalic wrote:All I know is I'm not giving either Suggs or (especially) Franz for Garland. Which Cavs fans would say then you don't have a deal, and I agree. Garland on the Magic would be decent, but not without all of Suggs, Franz, and Paolo. Suggs' impact on winning is incredible and important. I'm not giving that up for anything less than a perenial all-star.


Assuming he comes back healthy, I feel like Suggs can become the Jrue Holiday of the current generation, especially if he continues to improve on his shooting. Championship caliber, two-way 3rd option winner that can be a piece of Team USA someday.
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Re: What would you give for Garland ? 

Post#154 » by ShootersShoot » Mon Jun 9, 2025 8:44 pm

Why are people comparing guys who have made the asg one time in their entire careers to a guy who has done it twice at 25 yrs old?
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Re: What would you give for Garland ? 

Post#155 » by Wolveswin » Mon Jun 9, 2025 8:54 pm

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I can’t see any of that adding up to enough to get Cleveland to move Garland. It would have to be McDaniels plus in order to get Cleveland’s attention.

McDaniels is a nonstarter for Wolves. Right wrong or otherwise, Wolves see McDaniels > Garland.


And as a Cavs fan I would want more than just McDaniels for a player as good as Garland.

Minnesota just isn’t a good trading partner for Cleveland.

And as a Wolves fan I would want more than Garland for McDaniels.

As I said above, a 3rd/4th team is needed to get Cavs what they desire for what Wolves have to offer.
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Re: What would you give for Garland ? 

Post#156 » by littlerock2277 » Mon Jun 9, 2025 9:02 pm

Was looking for players similar to Garland that were traded. I would say he is in a similar tier as dearon fox. He got traded for Lavine and 3 1st round picks. I could see Cleveland moving him for something similar to that package if they were trying to save money.
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Re: What would you give for Garland ? 

Post#157 » by Battletrigger » Mon Jun 9, 2025 9:03 pm

Effigy wrote:
Wolveswin wrote:
facothomas22 wrote:

Yeah this is going lower Garland by a bit here. The earliest the Cavaliers are be able to trade him and get something close to equal value back in return is towards the trade deadline.

Still a great fit in MN. Conley on roster to start until Garland ready.


Agreed, but for what? If you can trade Randle for him, that's a home run, lol.


For the Cavs.
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Re: What would you give for Garland ? 

Post#158 » by jbk1234 » Mon Jun 9, 2025 9:07 pm

I feel like the chances of Garland getting traded any time in the near future are very low having just had that surgery. Trade partners will want a steep discount because they'll have to waive the physical and the Cavs are not going to agree to that.
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Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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Re: What would you give for Garland ? 

Post#159 » by Wolveswin » Mon Jun 9, 2025 9:31 pm

Battletrigger wrote:
Effigy wrote:
Wolveswin wrote:Still a great fit in MN. Conley on roster to start until Garland ready.


Agreed, but for what? If you can trade Randle for him, that's a home run, lol.


For the Cavs.

Trade gets a little big, but rosters are sure balanced…

To Nets: Barnes/#31

To Spurs: Gobert/Strus

To Cavs: Randle/Vassell/Dillingham/#17/Spurs future 1st

To Wolves: Garland/Allen

Mobley
Randle/#17
Hunter
Vassell/Okoro
Mitchell/Dillingham

Allen
Reid
McDaniels
Edwards
Garland
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Re: What would you give for Garland ? 

Post#160 » by John Murdoch » Mon Jun 9, 2025 9:31 pm

Nm , Ty Jerome was outplaying him regularly
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