Giannis wants to win now, what's your offer to get him on a real contender?

[Wolveswin]

Daniels would not be in place of NAW, every time these trade deals come up everyone just assumes teams have to give their best assets out the door to land a disgruntled star when literally every single time a major star has been moved he's gone out for much less players than you would think.

Harden went to Brooklyn for Jarrett Allen, Taurean Prince, and Caris LeVert

KD went to Phoenix for Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson and Jae Crowder

no team has to give up every single good player to make the deal, the picks are what matters most of the time.

just look at the list:
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34277696/ranking-some-biggest-trades-two-decades-how-inform-kevin-durant-future

Literal superstars in their prime traded for guys who were forgotten within a year

so no, Daniels would not be sent out, NAW would be the best they can get because Risascher would be the rebuilding piece and Porzingis and NAW would be money and assets.

If you want the Bucks to laugh you off the phone. Sure.

Otherwise Daniels instead of NAW is required. And all those picks you didn’t list.

why would the Bucks laugh off the phone, when you have a list of 15 superstar trades that prove otherwise.

I don't get it, you're presented with overwhelming evidence of the opposite and yet you double down, it's kind of sad really.

It’s not my fault your original offer sucked - included no picks - and when called out responded with ‘assumed.’ Even with picks, your offer isn’t great. Not even borderline top 3 in this thread.

[Wolveswin]

Hornets can make a good to great offer. Giannis stays in East and attempts to win in a place that would make him god if he did…

+Miller is one of the better young pieces that could be offered.
+Sexton expiring guard.
+Josh Green salary filler.
Picks:
+Hornets 2026 own (plus some crazy swap rules attached to it that can only improve it)
+2027 Heat and Mavs 1sts (plus own swap rights)

That is a top tier young player and 3x 1sts (and swaps).

Problem with Hornets is Ball and Bridges roster left over isn’t Murders Row lineup for Giannis. So, Hornets have to hold back (if possible) some assets for yet another star trade.
Kon (recent #4 overall)
Salaun (flyer youth)
Williams (salary filler)
Plus ability to have 3x 1sts leftover from Giannis trade (28/30/32 Hornets 1sts).

[Godymas]

If you want the Bucks to laugh you off the phone. Sure.

Otherwise Daniels instead of NAW is required. And all those picks you didn’t list.

why would the Bucks laugh off the phone, when you have a list of 15 superstar trades that prove otherwise.

I don't get it, you're presented with overwhelming evidence of the opposite and yet you double down, it's kind of sad really.

It’s not my fault your original offer sucked - included no picks - and when called out responded with ‘assumed.’ Even with picks, your offer isn’t great. Not even borderline top 3 in this thread.

Why would my offer suck? Compare it to literally every other trade on that list for a 30+ year old superstar. My offer is one of the better offers on that list.

The Clippers acquired prime Chris Paul for Al-Farouq Aminu, Chris Kaman, Eric Gordon and one first round pick from Minnesota. The Heat acquired Shaq off of 3 championships from the Lakers for Lamar Odom, Caron Butler, Brian Grant, and one first round pick.

prime Kyrie Irving was sent to Boston for Jae Crowder, Isaiah Thomas, Ante Zizic, Brooklyn's 2018 first-round pick and Miami's 2020 second-round pick.

Oh look, I found a deal comparable to what I'm suggesting for Giannis. It's the #2 deal on that list.

Paul George for Danilo Gallinari; Shai Gilgeous-Alexander; Miami's 2021 and 2023 first-round picks; the Clippers' 2022, 2024 and 2026 first-round picks; pick swaps in 2023 and 2025

Where in my deal, Porzingis is Gallinari, and Risascher is SGA (and obviously picks), and don't you dare suggest anyone knew SGA would become an MVP when that deal was done.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Risascher is the 1st overall pick, Porzingis is a former All Star and NBA Champion and NAW is a valuable role player. I don't think you realize how valuable a guy like Risascher is in the NBA. The Hawks would stick on a few picks, but Risascher is the obvious prize of such a trade. How often does a team willingly trade the 1st overall selection of a draft, the 1st overall selection of a draft is the most valuable pick of that draft, you have no clue how to evaluate a trade.

[Godymas]

Hornets can make a good to great offer. Giannis stays in East and attempts to win in a place that would make him god if he did…

+Miller is one of the better young pieces that could be offered.
+Sexton expiring guard.
+Josh Green salary filler.
Picks:
+Hornets 2026 own (plus some crazy swap rules attached to it that can only improve it)
+2027 Heat and Mavs 1sts (plus own swap rights)

That is a top tier young player and 3x 1sts (and swaps).

Problem with Hornets is Ball and Bridges roster left over isn’t Murders Row lineup for Giannis. So, Hornets have to hold back (if possible) some assets for yet another star trade.
Kon (recent #4 overall)
Salaun (flyer youth)
Williams (salary filler)
Plus ability to have 3x 1sts leftover from Giannis trade (28/30/32 Hornets 1sts).

you really said my deal sucks and you suggest that Giannis would go for Brandon Miller, Collin Sexton and Josh Green? Porzingis is more valuable than Sexton and Green and he's also an expiring. Risascher is just as valuable as Brandon Miller. Josh Green is a far worse asset than NAW who just signed a nice offer as FA.

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The trade would have to be some combination of KAT and either Bridges or Anunoby. Likely Bridges since it’s a lower cap number and Milwaukee doesn’t have bad salary to dump. Of Anunoby - it’s to a 3rd team with picks going back to Milwaukee. Then NY gives MIL pick swaps in 26, 30 and 32.

Does a front court of -Turner-Towns-Bridges give Milwaukee enough to be a playoff team?

[Sixers in 4]

I don't think the Knicks ever get Giannis.

It's hard to see them matching up in a trade, but if Giannis is looking at other teams, he already has one foot out the door. I think the Lakers are best positioned cap-wise to make a trade. The other team would be the Celtics they are normally aggressive and have a bunch of nice small contracts that would be very attractive.

[Wolveswin]

Hornets can make a good to great offer. Giannis stays in East and attempts to win in a place that would make him god if he did…

+Miller is one of the better young pieces that could be offered.
+Sexton expiring guard.
+Josh Green salary filler.
Picks:
+Hornets 2026 own (plus some crazy swap rules attached to it that can only improve it)
+2027 Heat and Mavs 1sts (plus own swap rights)

That is a top tier young player and 3x 1sts (and swaps).

Problem with Hornets is Ball and Bridges roster left over isn’t Murders Row lineup for Giannis. So, Hornets have to hold back (if possible) some assets for yet another star trade.
Kon (recent #4 overall)
Salaun (flyer youth)
Williams (salary filler)
Plus ability to have 3x 1sts leftover from Giannis trade (28/30/32 Hornets 1sts).

you really said my deal sucks and you suggest that Giannis would go for Brandon Miller, Collin Sexton and Josh Green? Porzingis is more valuable than Sexton and Green and he's also an expiring. Risascher is just as valuable as Brandon Miller. Josh Green is a far worse asset than NAW who just signed a nice offer as FA.

lol now your are on full tilt reach. First of all your offer had zero picks. Zero.

Miller and Risacher are two different things. Miller is more premium player. He would be best player in either deal and exactly what is most coveted in a superstar trade.

[Wolveswin]

I don't think the Knicks ever get Giannis.

It's hard to see them matching up in a trade, but if Giannis is looking at other teams, he already has one foot out the door. I think the Lakers are best positioned cap-wise to make a trade. The other team would be the Celtics they are normally aggressive and have a bunch of nice small contracts that would be very attractive.

Knicks draft capital is really weak.

2026 Wizards 1st (top 8)…so most likely 2nds
2026 own swap…most likely doesn’t happen)
2028 swap but after two other teams get dibs
2030/32 own swap rights

So not one 1st for Bucks out of the deal unless Wizards have a magical season and finish 9th or better.

[Wolveswin]

The trade would have to be some combination of KAT and either Bridges or Anunoby. Likely Bridges since it’s a lower cap number and Milwaukee doesn’t have bad salary to dump. Of Anunoby - it’s to a 3rd team with picks going back to Milwaukee. Then NY gives MIL pick swaps in 26, 30 and 32.

Does a front court of -Turner-Towns-Bridges give Milwaukee enough to be a playoff team?

Moved.

[dballislife]

if im the bucks any deal starts with 5 unprotected 1st since they have no picks...after that add a couple of good young players

[LarsV8]

If you want the Bucks to laugh you off the phone. Sure.

Otherwise Daniels instead of NAW is required. And all those picks you didn’t list.

In a scenario where the Bucks are taking offers, almost assuredly, Giannis has asked out and would leverage his contract status to try and land exactly where he wants to be, which is usually only 2-3 locations that likely offer a winning situation, maybe a coach he likes and perhaps city characteristics (weather, size, glam) that are appealing to him.

In these scenarios, Giannis' perceived infinite trade value crashes back down to reality fairly quickly, which end up landing in the range of those deals that Godaymas listed. I doubt the Bucks would be laughing at all in that situation, because they would be a major inflection point for the franchise, and would need to be as stoic as possible for all potential deals.

There would be on the list and off the list bidders, but those teams, are certainly going to hold back certain pieces, because they absolutely must be able to compete immediately, which means win now players, particularly complementary players, like Dyson, would be withheld from offers. Good players that play the same role as Giannis would potentially be offered, and prospects that are pre prime. Picks would be the bulk of the offers.

Milwaukee will offer Giannis an extension next offseason, and if he declines, or in any way stalls or obfuscates, they need start shopping him immediately, but quietly, to try and maximize return. In all honesty, they should ask him about a future extension today, and if they don't get anything other than absolute commitment, like Jokic just gave, they should be looking to move him today. The returns today, would FAR outweigh next years returns. Teams simply can't afford to have an asset of that caliber walk out the door, or really, get to the point where they ask for a trade.

Sounds like the last 2 times he signed an extension

The signs are all there, especially now with this morning's news. There is a notable difference between how Jokic is handling this vs how Giannis is, and Shams hasn't been reporting this for no reason. These are major red flags.

As of right now, the Bucks have a highly valuable and highly depreciating asset in Giannis's two year guaranteed contract. That represents two full seasons of play / playoffs with peak Giannis. His trade value has gone down vs yesterday with the Knicks news. As a fan of a team who would make a STRONG offer on Giannis, after today, that calculus has changed. My offer is not as all in, as it was yesterday.

If I were the Bucks, I would be looking to move him for best offer immediately.

[Up-And-Coming]

I honestly like the framework of a deal with Atlanta. With the new additions they made I can already see them compete for a home-court playoff spot (barring injury). The addition of a true #1 in Giannis can catapult them to Contender status, especially in a weaker East and a trade with them is a lot easier to make financially and asset-wise than a lot of the other options. A trade framework around 23 year old Milwaukee homegrown Jalen Johnson + 26' Atl 1st + 26' SAS 1st + Milwaukee's own 27' 1st back + filler (Okongwu or Risacher if necessary) in theory works. Milwaukee acquires their up-and-coming homegrown talent with potential in Jalen Johnson and Okongwu/Risacher and get a couple 1sts in addition to their own 27' 1st back + filler. Giannis stays in the more open East and Atlanta assembles a legitimate Contender for the first time in decades.

Trae Young/NAW
Dyson Daniels
Zac Risacher/Luke Kennard
Giannis Antentekounmpo/Asa Newell
Kristaps Porzingis

[Lalouie]

he loves living in milwaukee

but greece might have a good shot