Shams: Knicks the Only Team Giannis Desires to Play For Outside of Milwaukee; Both Teams Discussed Potential Trade

[jscott]

I will say it again…

Knicks offer is Towns plus one of OG or Bridges and filler. If Knicks think that is player asset overpay - it will take that much with Knicks having zero picks to trade. Knicks can also receive player(s) back with Giannis having that much salary going out.

Bucks can decide to keep Knicks players, or forward one to a 3rd team for draft capital/youth.

If Towns is off the table, other win now teams can beat Knicks offer of just OG or Bridges (and Hart). Giannis is a 2x year controlled player with added ability to convince him to stay over those two years. Is he really leaving Luka in LA after two years? No.

Which it should be said, if Giannis goes non-NY destination, even after 2x years he leaves said destination for NY, destination still gets assets back from NY. Knicks won’t have space to absorb Giannis without trade. So, said team would still get OG or Bridges or something via S&T. Point is, not high and dry for taking a chance of Giannis leaving after two year’s of championship runs.

Say it all you want, no way the Knicks are going to gut their team for Giannis. If he comes it will be for OG or Mikal and bench talent. Either way the Knicks are likely in the finals THIS YEAR , so we gucci.

Gut their team? The Knicks have maybe two keepers on their current roster and a bunch of overpaid contracts that are perfect to move. Of course, they gut the team to win since the last time they won was in 1973. If they continue to do what you want, they're never going to win.

Oh don’t worry, according to RHODEY apparently they’re “Gucci” - I guess he has limited vocabulary skills cause that’s all he can say about the Knicks.

[RHODEY]

I will say it again…

Knicks offer is Towns plus one of OG or Bridges and filler. If Knicks think that is player asset overpay - it will take that much with Knicks having zero picks to trade. Knicks can also receive player(s) back with Giannis having that much salary going out.

Bucks can decide to keep Knicks players, or forward one to a 3rd team for draft capital/youth.

If Towns is off the table, other win now teams can beat Knicks offer of just OG or Bridges (and Hart). Giannis is a 2x year controlled player with added ability to convince him to stay over those two years. Is he really leaving Luka in LA after two years? No.

Which it should be said, if Giannis goes non-NY destination, even after 2x years he leaves said destination for NY, destination still gets assets back from NY. Knicks won’t have space to absorb Giannis without trade. So, said team would still get OG or Bridges or something via S&T. Point is, not high and dry for taking a chance of Giannis leaving after two year’s of championship runs.

Say it all you want, no way the Knicks are going to gut their team for Giannis. If he comes it will be for OG or Mikal and bench talent. Either way the Knicks are likely in the finals THIS YEAR , so we gucci.

Gut their team? The Knicks have maybe two keepers on their current roster and a bunch of overpaid contracts that are perfect to move. Of course, they gut the team to win since the last time they won was in 1973. If they continue to do what you want, they're never going to win.

LOL you're a mod talking like that? Knicks are CONTENDERS with one of the best tarting 5 fives in the entire league. And they now have one of the better benches in the league and a coach who knows how to manage depth. Knicks don't have to star chase at this point, but if we do we aren't selling the farm. Mikal + Hart(or Mitch) and change....nothing more. In LEON we trust.

[Moose]

This deal is unlikely to happen. It could at the deadline or next offseason, but feels like a long shot.

If they keep it as a 1 on 1 team trade, the Knicks can deal:

KAT
OG or Bridges
Youth/fillers
Any picks

The Bucks can trade:

Giannis
Portis
A wing

Or

Giannis
Turner

Though I don't really see this trade ever happening.

[Wolveswin]

Say it all you want, no way the Knicks are going to gut their team for Giannis. If he comes it will be for OG or Mikal and bench talent. Either way the Knicks are likely in the finals THIS YEAR , so we gucci.

Gut their team? The Knicks have maybe two keepers on their current roster and a bunch of overpaid contracts that are perfect to move. Of course, they gut the team to win since the last time they won was in 1973. If they continue to do what you want, they're never going to win.

LOL you're a mod talking like that? Knicks are CONTENDERS with one of the best tarting 5 fives in the entire league. And they now have one of the better benches in the league and a coach who knows how to manage depth. Knicks don't have to star chase at this point, but if we do we aren't selling the farm. Mikal + Hart(or Mitch) and change....nothing more. In LEON we trust.

That is fine if that is your offer - Knicks just don’t get Giannis in 2025.

That ironically will be your same offer for Giannis offseason of 2027 - if Giannis wants to leave Lakers or Heat or Warriors or other destination that will offer more value than Knicks in 2025.

But that will be in 2 years and hoping Giannis wants to leave his new home since 2025.

[HMFFL]

Say it all you want, no way the Knicks are going to gut their team for Giannis. If he comes it will be for OG or Mikal and bench talent. Either way the Knicks are likely in the finals THIS YEAR , so we gucci.

Gut their team? The Knicks have maybe two keepers on their current roster and a bunch of overpaid contracts that are perfect to move. Of course, they gut the team to win since the last time they won was in 1973. If they continue to do what you want, they're never going to win.

LOL you're a mod talking like that? Knicks are CONTENDERS with one of the best tarting 5 fives in the entire league. And they now have one of the better benches in the league and a coach who knows how to manage depth. Knicks don't have to star chase at this point, but if we do we aren't selling the farm. Mikal + Hart(or Mitch) and change....nothing more. In LEON we trust.

Talking like what?

You seem to be delusional if you believe the Knicks have the best starting five in the league.

I see a bunch of overpaid talent that haven't even made an All-Star team and a 5 that must be motivated at all times.

In this case, you're by no means chasing a star, Giannis is a superstar, and your roster doesn't have a superstar on it.

[KGtabake]

Say it all you want, no way the Knicks are going to gut their team for Giannis. If he comes it will be for OG or Mikal and bench talent. Either way the Knicks are likely in the finals THIS YEAR , so we gucci.

Gut their team? The Knicks have maybe two keepers on their current roster and a bunch of overpaid contracts that are perfect to move. Of course, they gut the team to win since the last time they won was in 1973. If they continue to do what you want, they're never going to win.

LOL you're a mod talking like that? Knicks are CONTENDERS with one of the best tarting 5 fives in the entire league. And they now have one of the better benches in the league and a coach who knows how to manage depth. Knicks don't have to star chase at this point, but if we do we aren't selling the farm. Mikal + Hart(or Mitch) and change....nothing more. In LEON we trust.

I have no horse here but with this offer you can maybe get a top20 player. For Giannis forget it.
If the Bucks decide to trade him, Giannis will also want them to get a decent return. Remember.
This isn't a Kyrie-Boston or a Harden-Nets situation. Giannis has strong connection and respect for the city of Milwaukee. He's not going to burn everything behind him.
If he sees that the Knicks aren't willing to trade KAT(= Milwaukee doesn't get an all star talent in return) he will open up his list.
His family isn't in the states anymore. That means he's free to play anywhere.
New York has a large greek community but it's not the only city that can draw his interest especially as the season progresses.

You won't get a top20 player of all time for Mikal Bridges and Mitch Robinson. That's for sure.

[pieguyxx]

Gut their team? The Knicks have maybe two keepers on their current roster and a bunch of overpaid contracts that are perfect to move. Of course, they gut the team to win since the last time they won was in 1973. If they continue to do what you want, they're never going to win.

LOL you're a mod talking like that? Knicks are CONTENDERS with one of the best tarting 5 fives in the entire league. And they now have one of the better benches in the league and a coach who knows how to manage depth. Knicks don't have to star chase at this point, but if we do we aren't selling the farm. Mikal + Hart(or Mitch) and change....nothing more. In LEON we trust.

I have no horse here but with this offer you can maybe get a top20 player. For Giannis forget it.
If the Bucks decide to trade him, Giannis will also want them to get a decent return. Remember.
This isn't a Kyrie-Boston or a Harden-Nets situation. Giannis has strong connection and respect for the city of Milwaukee. He's not going to burn everything behind him.
If he sees that the Knicks aren't willing to trade KAT(= Milwaukee doesn't get an all star talent in return) he will open up his list.
His family isn't in the states anymore. That means he's free to play anywhere.
New York has a large greek community but it's not the only city that can draw his interest especially as the season progresses.

You won't get a top20 player of all time for Mikal Bridges and Mitch Robinson. That's for sure.

I think people overestimate the amount it takes to get a star player. NBA players have no say in what the team gives up thats a big assumption to say Giannis can be sudo GM for the Bucks and I would think he would care much more about the next team than the Bucks given the reason he would leave Milwaukee in the first place. The average amount of value it takes to get a star player is 5 first round picks, though each trade is in its own bubble.

Examining the recent trades not counting Luka because that was an anomaly.

Harden to Nets. Nets gave up Jarrett Allen, Taurean Prince, Caris Levert and 3 first rounders + swaps.

Durant to Suns. Suns gave up Mikal, Cam Johnson, Crowder 4 first rounders + swap.

Desmond Bane to Magic. Magic gave up 4 first rounders + KCP.

Mikal to Knicks. Knicks gave up 4 first rounders + protected 1st + swaps.


I think it takes about 5 first rounders in value for a team to give up what they value as a core player in general. Bucks have less leverage than people would think if Knicks truly are a top of Giannis list. Mikal Mitch and Hart have about 5 first round picks in value. The Knicks hold the Wizards protected pick. I believe they can additionally trade one more of their own picks. The Knicks I believe also hold their own pick this year so a draft day trade can go down. The Knicks are very close.

[bronxknicksfan1]

Gut their team? The Knicks have maybe two keepers on their current roster and a bunch of overpaid contracts that are perfect to move. Of course, they gut the team to win since the last time they won was in 1973. If they continue to do what you want, they're never going to win.

LOL you're a mod talking like that? Knicks are CONTENDERS with one of the best tarting 5 fives in the entire league. And they now have one of the better benches in the league and a coach who knows how to manage depth. Knicks don't have to star chase at this point, but if we do we aren't selling the farm. Mikal + Hart(or Mitch) and change....nothing more. In LEON we trust.

Talking like what?

You seem to be delusional if you believe the Knicks have the best starting five in the league.

I see a bunch of overpaid talent that haven't even made an All-Star team and a 5 that must be motivated at all times.

In this case, you're by no means chasing a star, Giannis is a superstar, and your roster doesn't have a superstar on it.

It’s more delusional to say the Knicks don’t have one of the best starting 5s in the league than otherwise. Whether you think they’re overpaid means nothing here.

Other than that, yes, the Knicks would have to trade KAT in order to make any deal for Giannis work.

[TheAlchemist]

If i'm the Bucks i'm asking for Brunson + OG or Hart or Bridges.

If I'm NYK, i'm really, sitting and thinking about this one.

The problem with Giannis is he had no supporting cast. Ideally you'd want to pair Brunson with Giannis and obviously have that BIG + Guard combo that wins many championships. But the Knicks don't got the assets. Bucks aren't taking KAT + OG/Hart for Giannis. That makes no sense for them as they can just get on a call with the Spurs or OKC and get young talent up the Wazoo.

So then it comes down to gettin Giannis for Brunson + a guard/forward. Knicks would end up with something like a KAT-Giannis-Bridges-Hart lineup, but with a gaping hole at the 1 spot.

Bucks would have something like a Turner - Bobby Portis - OG - Porter jr - Brunson.

Truthfully that's a fair trade. If New York didn't go HAM and empty the clip on Bridges and Kat, they'd be in a position to get Giannis with Brunson. To me, Depth is the biggest factor now in the NBA, so this trade works out if New York is gung ho for Giannis. But at the expense of Brunson, which feels not right.

[TheGreenArrow]

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It’s only a matter of time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bronxknicksfan1]

If i'm the Bucks i'm asking for Brunson + OG or Hart or Bridges.

If I'm NYK, i'm really, sitting and thinking about this one.

The problem with Giannis is he had no supporting cast. Ideally you'd want to pair Brunson with Giannis and obviously have that BIG + Guard combo that wins many championships. But the Knicks don't got the assets. Bucks aren't taking KAT + OG/Hart for Giannis. That makes no sense for them as they can just get on a call with the Spurs or OKC and get young talent up the Wazoo.

So then it comes down to gettin Giannis for Brunson + a guard/forward. Knicks would end up with something like a KAT-Giannis-Bridges-Hart lineup, but with a gaping hole at the 1 spot.

Bucks would have something like a Turner - Bobby Portis - OG - Porter jr - Brunson.

Truthfully that's a fair trade. If New York didn't go HAM and empty the clip on Bridges and Kat, they'd be in a position to get Giannis with Brunson. To me, Depth is the biggest factor now in the NBA, so this trade works out if New York is gung ho for Giannis. But at the expense of Brunson, which feels not right.

They can ask for it, doesn’t mean they’d get it. Brunson would never go in a deal for Giannis. It’d be KAT in the deal.

Also, it’s already reported that OKC has no interest in trading for Giannis. Wouldn’t be surprised if the Spurs aren’t interested either considering their timeline.

[KGtabake]

The biggest problem Milwaukee does have is that they're going into this season with Doc Rivers in charge.
A competent coach would create hope. Hope that he can actually make this roster contend even if they're no favourites.
Nobody believes that, especially Milwaukee fans.
I don't know why they kept Rivers this summer.
To me that was a big mistake.

[RHODEY]

LOL you're a mod talking like that? Knicks are CONTENDERS with one of the best tarting 5 fives in the entire league. And they now have one of the better benches in the league and a coach who knows how to manage depth. Knicks don't have to star chase at this point, but if we do we aren't selling the farm. Mikal + Hart(or Mitch) and change....nothing more. In LEON we trust.

Talking like what?

You seem to be delusional if you believe the Knicks have the best starting five in the league.

I see a bunch of overpaid talent that haven't even made an All-Star team and a 5 that must be motivated at all times.

In this case, you're by no means chasing a star, Giannis is a superstar, and your roster doesn't have a superstar on it.

It’s more delusional to say the Knicks don’t have one of the best starting 5s in the league than otherwise. Whether you think they’re overpaid means nothing here.

Other than that, yes, the Knicks would have to trade KAT in order to make any deal for Giannis work.

Yes he sounds delusional. Right now OG and Mitch would work contractwise for Giannis. Come February Bridges could be combined with Hart and Deuce to swing a trade... Personally I would not offer KAT.

[ArksNetsSince99]

Gut their team? The Knicks have maybe two keepers on their current roster and a bunch of overpaid contracts that are perfect to move. Of course, they gut the team to win since the last time they won was in 1973. If they continue to do what you want, they're never going to win.

LOL you're a mod talking like that? Knicks are CONTENDERS with one of the best tarting 5 fives in the entire league. And they now have one of the better benches in the league and a coach who knows how to manage depth. Knicks don't have to star chase at this point, but if we do we aren't selling the farm. Mikal + Hart(or Mitch) and change....nothing more. In LEON we trust.

Talking like what?

You seem to be delusional if you believe the Knicks have the best starting five in the league.

I see a bunch of overpaid talent that haven't even made an All-Star team and a 5 that must be motivated at all times.

In this case, you're by no means chasing a star, Giannis is a superstar, and your roster doesn't have a superstar on it.

He’s a mod for a reason , he talking like anyone who saw Knicks azz handed to Pacers two postseasons in a row

Stop drinking cool aid, Knicks aren’t contenders and Giannis is a pipe dream

[RHODEY]

LOL you're a mod talking like that? Knicks are CONTENDERS with one of the best tarting 5 fives in the entire league. And they now have one of the better benches in the league and a coach who knows how to manage depth. Knicks don't have to star chase at this point, but if we do we aren't selling the farm. Mikal + Hart(or Mitch) and change....nothing more. In LEON we trust.

I have no horse here but with this offer you can maybe get a top20 player. For Giannis forget it.
If the Bucks decide to trade him, Giannis will also want them to get a decent return. Remember.
This isn't a Kyrie-Boston or a Harden-Nets situation. Giannis has strong connection and respect for the city of Milwaukee. He's not going to burn everything behind him.
If he sees that the Knicks aren't willing to trade KAT(= Milwaukee doesn't get an all star talent in return) he will open up his list.
His family isn't in the states anymore. That means he's free to play anywhere.
New York has a large greek community but it's not the only city that can draw his interest especially as the season progresses.

You won't get a top20 player of all time for Mikal Bridges and Mitch Robinson. That's for sure.

I think people overestimate the amount it takes to get a star player. NBA players have no say in what the team gives up thats a big assumption to say Giannis can be sudo GM for the Bucks and I would think he would care much more about the next team than the Bucks given the reason he would leave Milwaukee in the first place. The average amount of value it takes to get a star player is 5 first round picks, though each trade is in its own bubble.

Examining the recent trades not counting Luka because that was an anomaly.

Harden to Nets. Nets gave up Jarrett Allen, Taurean Prince, Caris Levert and 3 first rounders + swaps.

Durant to Suns. Suns gave up Mikal, Cam Johnson, Crowder 4 first rounders + swap.

Desmond Bane to Magic. Magic gave up 4 first rounders + KCP.

Mikal to Knicks. Knicks gave up 4 first rounders + protected 1st + swaps.


I think it takes about 5 first rounders in value for a team to give up what they value as a core player in general. Bucks have less leverage than people would think if Knicks truly are a top of Giannis list. Mikal Mitch and Hart have about 5 first round picks in value. The Knicks hold the Wizards protected pick. I believe they can additionally trade one more of their own picks. The Knicks I believe also hold their own pick this year so a draft day trade can go down. The Knicks are very close.

I also dont think Giannis has the motivation to " want them to get a decent return.".Dude already got them a ring and imo he'd want his destination team to RETAIN as much talent as possible, to maximize his chances of winning another.

[ArksNetsSince99]

Talking like what?

You seem to be delusional if you believe the Knicks have the best starting five in the league.

I see a bunch of overpaid talent that haven't even made an All-Star team and a 5 that must be motivated at all times.

In this case, you're by no means chasing a star, Giannis is a superstar, and your roster doesn't have a superstar on it.

It’s more delusional to say the Knicks don’t have one of the best starting 5s in the league than otherwise. Whether you think they’re overpaid means nothing here.

Other than that, yes, the Knicks would have to trade KAT in order to make any deal for Giannis work.

Yes he sounds delusional. Right now OG and Mitch would work contractwise for Giannis. Come February Bridges could be combined with Hart and Deuce to swing a trade... Personally I would not offer KAT.

NO !!!! Keep OG and Mitch , while you at it keep Bridges and Hart too along with Kat and Brun

Kolek for Giannis straight up , who says no ?

[Infinite Llamas]

Talking like what?

You seem to be delusional if you believe the Knicks have the best starting five in the league.

I see a bunch of overpaid talent that haven't even made an All-Star team and a 5 that must be motivated at all times.

In this case, you're by no means chasing a star, Giannis is a superstar, and your roster doesn't have a superstar on it.

It’s more delusional to say the Knicks don’t have one of the best starting 5s in the league than otherwise. Whether you think they’re overpaid means nothing here.

Other than that, yes, the Knicks would have to trade KAT in order to make any deal for Giannis work.

Yes he sounds delusional. Right now OG and Mitch would work contractwise for Giannis. Come February Bridges could be combined with Hart and Deuce to swing a trade... Personally I would not offer KAT.

Bucks would let him walk before trading him for OG/Robinson

[ArksNetsSince99]

It’s more delusional to say the Knicks don’t have one of the best starting 5s in the league than otherwise. Whether you think they’re overpaid means nothing here.

Other than that, yes, the Knicks would have to trade KAT in order to make any deal for Giannis work.

Yes he sounds delusional. Right now OG and Mitch would work contractwise for Giannis. Come February Bridges could be combined with Hart and Deuce to swing a trade... Personally I would not offer KAT.

Bucks would let him walk before trading him for OG/Robinson

Not in Rhodeys world

[jayu70]

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[Knicks218]

Gut their team? The Knicks have maybe two keepers on their current roster and a bunch of overpaid contracts that are perfect to move. Of course, they gut the team to win since the last time they won was in 1973. If they continue to do what you want, they're never going to win.

LOL you're a mod talking like that? Knicks are CONTENDERS with one of the best tarting 5 fives in the entire league. And they now have one of the better benches in the league and a coach who knows how to manage depth. Knicks don't have to star chase at this point, but if we do we aren't selling the farm. Mikal + Hart(or Mitch) and change....nothing more. In LEON we trust.

Talking like what?

You seem to be delusional if you believe the Knicks have the best starting five in the league.

I see a bunch of overpaid talent that haven't even made an All-Star team and a 5 that must be motivated at all times.

In this case, you're by no means chasing a star, Giannis is a superstar, and your roster doesn't have a superstar on it.

What are you talking about? Both Brunson and Towns made the All-star team together last year as STARTERS!

The Knicks hate is unreal lol