Manu Ginobili Is Overrated

[noagenda]

Manu's numbers might not look elite but there are people who believe his value goes beyond the numbers. If you're one of those people then you'll love him and if you're not, than you'll think he's an overrated role player.

[Manocad]

Wrong thread.

[GuyverX]

Stats shmats. All you need to know is the guy is clutch. He makes big plays, he plays with heart, he makes his team better and he never ever gives up. I don't care if he doesn't play 40mpg or scores 30 points every game. I don't care if he comes off the bench primarily and thus gets the label of "sixth man." With or without Duncan, he'd still have the same skills and he'd still play the same way.

The guy is a flat out superstar and he's a winner. If you think he's overrated, then 99% of the guys in the NBA are overrated because there are only a handful of players who have the same skills, passion and determination all in one package.

[SSUBluesman]

Duncan has already won a championship with a "bad team"..nobody can actually win a championship with an actual bad team, but he did it with as bad a team as can qualify for an NBA title..

And the Spree/Houston combo that was defeated was just a hair below the Jordan/Pippen combo that was a dynasty...how can Duncan not be the greatest professional athlete in the history of the world?

And of course the reason Parker gets easy lay-ups in transition against multiple defenders is because Duncan is on the other end of the court. Same reason why he gets an open mid-range jumper whenever he wants, not because defenders back off due to his speed, but because they're genuflecting at the alter of Duncan.

[sp6r=underrated]

And the Spree/Houston combo that was defeated was just a hair below the Jordan/Pippen combo that was a dynasty...how can Duncan not be the greatest professional athlete in the history of the world?

He was referring to 2003 not 1999. The spurs beat a three time champion laker squad, a mavericks team that had two MVPs, with this

Post-Season

Parker: 14.7, 3.5, 2.8, 0.467 ts%
Manu: 9.4, 2.9, 3.8, 0.521 ts%
Jackson: 12.8, 4.1, 2.7, 0.529 ts%

That squad had no business winning a champion. But as with the 94 rockets, and 75 warriors , an all-time great player turned in a historic post-season carrying his team to a title.

[MagiChamps]

^you got the years mixed up. I don't have time to type out the stats but those are from 03-04. The Spurs won in 02-03 when they still had Robinson blocking shots and grabbing boards.

[sp6r=underrated]

^you got the years mixed up. I don't have time to type out the stats but those are from 03-04. The Spurs won in 02-03 when they still had Robinson blocking shots and grabbing boards.

No, those were the right stats, about David, 6.6 rpg and 1.35 bpg. He was just a role player at that point.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2003.html

[CoolD]

Manu is a winner.

the guy has more gold medals than A.I.

Oh but he had Fabricio Oberto, or Nocioni, or someone else people are going to hate.

Manu is a guy that makes things happen. Is not just his offense, is his energy that is very underrated. If you see a guy like A.I, he only plays hard offense to rack up his individual stats. His defense is horrid about every game and he will have a hard effort like once every like 5 games he brings it. Manu every night brings it, even if he plays like crap, he brings energy. Is hard to find this type of players. I take Manu over almost every other SG other than Kobe, and Wade.

[AIfan3]

Manu is a winner.

the guy has more gold medals than A.I.

Oh but he had Fabricio Oberto, or Nocioni, or someone else people are going to hate.

Manu is a guy that makes things happen. Is not just his offense, is his energy that is very underrated. If you see a guy like A.I, he only plays hard offense to rack up his individual stats. His defense is horrid about every game and he will have a hard effort like once every like 5 games he brings it. Manu every night brings it, even if he plays like crap, he brings energy. Is hard to find this type of players. I take Manu over almost every other SG other than Kobe, and Wade.

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Ginobili couldn't tie AI's sneakers..

[CoolD]

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Ginobili couldn't tie AI's sneakers..

3 titles in the NBA
Won titles in Europe.
Has more Gold medals than A.I.

A.I is a great scorer, but champs play all out, every game. A.I plays hard for himself and his scoring titles, but not for the team. But when do you see A.I playing defense, every night, for 82 consecutive games. Rarely.

[sp6r=underrated]

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Ginobili couldn't tie AI's sneakers..

Manu at his peak is better than prime AI. Only think AI has is inefficient volume scoring.

[AIfan3]

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Manu at his peak is better than prime AI. Only think AI has is inefficient volume scoring.

Manu at his peak better than Prime AI? The same AI that averaged 33 points on 45% from the field for 72 games? This should'nt even be debatable.. Hence why I believe Manu is grossly overrated.. I won't even go into the accolades for AI to prove my point... It's laughable to suggest Manu is even remotely close to AI in terms of impact..

[sp6r=underrated]

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Manu at his peak better than Prime AI? The same AI that averaged 33 points on 45% from the field for 72 games? This should'nt even be debatable.. Hence why I believe Manu is grossly overrated.. I won't even go into the accolades for AI to prove my point... It's laughable to suggest Manu is even remotely close to AI in terms of impact..

All AI brings to a team is volume scoring. Why wasn't there any drop off in Philly or improvement in Denver with AI if he's so great? How come he's never been able to mesh with a second scoring? That leaves aside his awful defense, selfish play, and terrible leadership in his youth (the man who cried out practice would never have been willing to come off the bench for his team).

[austinjw]

^ yea, that argument is nonsense. I'd like to see Manu lead the 2001 sixers to the nba finals. That team was terrible, yet AI managed to do something Timmy D couldn't even do that year, beat the Lakers.

AI may not be the most effecient player ever, but he's an MVP and he's actually led his team to something. As soon as Manu can lead his team somewhere, then maybe you can mention their names in the same breath.

[sp6r=underrated]

^ yea, that argument is nonsense. I'd like to see Manu lead the 2001 sixers to the nba finals. That team was terrible, yet AI managed to do something Timmy D couldn't even do that year, beat the Lakers.

AI may not be the most effecient player ever, but he's an MVP and he's actually led his team to something. As soon as Manu can lead his team somewhere, then maybe you can mention their names in the same breath.

The 2001 team, the only AI team that's ever done anything. That team was succesful because of its dominant defense, great bench, excellent coaching, and most of all getting to play in the **** conference known to man. Any number of volume scorers could have filled the AI role (.480 ts). If the only thing you bring to a team is volume scoring, than you better be highly efficient.

[CoolD]

^ yea, that argument is nonsense. I'd like to see Manu lead the 2001 sixers to the nba finals. That team was terrible, yet AI managed to do something Timmy D couldn't even do that year, beat the Lakers.

AI may not be the most effecient player ever, but he's an MVP and he's actually led his team to something. As soon as Manu can lead his team somewhere, then maybe you can mention their names in the same breath.

Manu led his team to a gold medal, A.I with way more talent in team USA lead them to a Bronze Medal, and loss a ton of games to add in team USA I think it was like a record.
A.I didn't lead a team to the Finals. The East was just so horrible, that if he would of played in the West they would of gotten dumped in the first round. The Sixers getting to the Finals was a joke on how bad the East was back then.

[dockingsched]

ai isn't in manu's league.

[AIfan3]

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The 2001 team, the only AI team that's ever done anything. That team was succesful because of its dominant defense, great bench, excellent coaching, and most of all getting to play in the **** conference known to man. Any number of volume scorers could have filled the AI role (.480 ts). If the only thing you bring to a team is volume scoring, than you better be highly efficient.

Sounds a lot like the Spurs.. Only difference between the 2 teams was who was being asked to be the leader.. Ginobili was never asked to carry the scoring burden for his team or take on the leadership capabilities.. This is what my arguement boils down to when comparing Ginobili to other SG's .. Nothing from his inconsistent play throughout his career has led me to believe he'd be able to lead a team any better than AI has (or any SG he's ranked ahead of for that matter).. I admit , Manu may be a better fit for the Spurs and for a lot of teams, but pound for pound AI's impact clowns Ginobili's..

[Mad Balla 15]

ai isn't in manu's league.

You're right. He's in a league that Manu can't imagine being a part of.

[dockingsched]

manu will never be part of the retired without a ring league, you got that right.