2022-23 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt.1)

[eyeatoma]

Jokic is the best player on earth and Tatum is the MVP….

Lol, no...

[ty 4191]

Jokic is the best player on earth and Tatum is the MVP….

Lol, no...

You're seriously (still) vouching for Embiid again, Eyeatoma?

Raw Plus/Minus:
Embiid: +116
Jokic: +199

Box Plus Minus:
Embiid: 8.7 (4th)
Jokic: 12.1 (1st by a huge margin)

PER:
Embiid: 30.5 (3rd)
Jokic: 32.5 (1st)

TS%:
Embiid: .646 (21st)
Jokic: .701 (2nd)

TS Added:
Embiid: 69.4 (9th)
Jokic: 106.5 (3rd)

Win Shares:
Embiid: 3.4 (T-14th)
Jokic: 4.9 (2nd)

WS/48:
Embiid: .244 (3rd)
Jokic: .301 (1st)

VORP:
Embiid: 1.9 (12th)
Jokic: 2.8 (2nd)

EPM:
Embiid: +7.4 (5th)
Jokic: +7.7 (T-2nd with Curry)

RAPM:
Embiid: 6.47 (5th)
Jokic: 7.91 (3rd)

[Sharkboy242]

Jokic could miss his next 60 Field Goal Attempts and still have a higher FG% than Embiid.

[eyeatoma]

Jokic is the best player on earth and Tatum is the MVP….

Lol, no...

You're seriously (still) vouching for Embiid again, Eyeatoma?

Raw Plus/Minus:
Embiid: +116
Jokic: +199

Box Plus Minus:
Embiid: 8.7 (4th)
Jokic: 12.1 (1st by a huge margin)

PER:
Embiid: 30.5 (3rd)
Jokic: 32.5 (1st)

TS%:
Embiid: .646 (21st)
Jokic: .701 (2nd)

TS Added:
Embiid: 69.4 (9th)
Jokic: 106.5 (3rd)

Win Shares:
Embiid: 3.4 (T-14th)
Jokic: 4.9 (2nd)

WS/48:
Embiid: .244 (3rd)
Jokic: .301 (1st)

VORP:
Embiid: 1.9 (12th)
Jokic: 2.8 (2nd)

EPM:
Embiid: +7.4 (5th)
Jokic: +7.7 (T-2nd with Curry)

RAPM:
Embiid: 6.47 (5th)
Jokic: 7.91 (3rd)

Quarter way through the season. A lot can change. I've already said this is all moot, if the Nuggets aren't dominating. If he is that damn good, they should be running teams out of the gym on a nightly basis. The Sixers, which according to you, with a worse Embiid have performed better than the Nuggets during the playoffs and the regular season, sans the lone WCF run that Nuggets had, when Murray did the heavy lifting. What's the point of being an advanced stats god if you you've got no hardware to show for it, apart from 2 MVPs. When it matters, why is it not making much of a difference?

[Blaze4G]

Lol, no...

You're seriously (still) vouching for Embiid again, Eyeatoma?

Raw Plus/Minus:
Embiid: +116
Jokic: +199

Box Plus Minus:
Embiid: 8.7 (4th)
Jokic: 12.1 (1st by a huge margin)

PER:
Embiid: 30.5 (3rd)
Jokic: 32.5 (1st)

TS%:
Embiid: .646 (21st)
Jokic: .701 (2nd)

TS Added:
Embiid: 69.4 (9th)
Jokic: 106.5 (3rd)

Win Shares:
Embiid: 3.4 (T-14th)
Jokic: 4.9 (2nd)

WS/48:
Embiid: .244 (3rd)
Jokic: .301 (1st)

VORP:
Embiid: 1.9 (12th)
Jokic: 2.8 (2nd)

EPM:
Embiid: +7.4 (5th)
Jokic: +7.7 (T-2nd with Curry)

RAPM:
Embiid: 6.47 (5th)
Jokic: 7.91 (3rd)

Quarter way through the season. A lot can change. I've already said this is all moot, if the Nuggets aren't dominating. If he is that damn good, they should be running teams out of the gym on a nightly basis. The Sixers, with according to you, a worse Embiid have performed better than the Nuggets during the playoffs and the regular season, sense the lone WCF run that Nuggets had, when Murray did the heavy lifting. What's the point of being an advanced stats god if you you've got no hardware to show for it, apart from 2 MVPs. When it matters, why is it not making much of a difference?

So we are handing out awards for more 2nd round exits than the other player? Is it this level of mediocrity we have reached where we consider a player has performed better because A player has reached the 2nd round more than B player? Seriously never expected to ever see someone put forward a point like this when comparing players.

What's next? We going to compare how A player team finished with the 11th seed so he is better than B player because their team reached the 13th seed?


I guess you should have ZERO arguments why Tatum is easily MVP over Embiid based on your logic.

[eyeatoma]

You're seriously (still) vouching for Embiid again, Eyeatoma?

Raw Plus/Minus:
Embiid: +116
Jokic: +199

Box Plus Minus:
Embiid: 8.7 (4th)
Jokic: 12.1 (1st by a huge margin)

PER:
Embiid: 30.5 (3rd)
Jokic: 32.5 (1st)

TS%:
Embiid: .646 (21st)
Jokic: .701 (2nd)

TS Added:
Embiid: 69.4 (9th)
Jokic: 106.5 (3rd)

Win Shares:
Embiid: 3.4 (T-14th)
Jokic: 4.9 (2nd)

WS/48:
Embiid: .244 (3rd)
Jokic: .301 (1st)

VORP:
Embiid: 1.9 (12th)
Jokic: 2.8 (2nd)

EPM:
Embiid: +7.4 (5th)
Jokic: +7.7 (T-2nd with Curry)

RAPM:
Embiid: 6.47 (5th)
Jokic: 7.91 (3rd)

Quarter way through the season. A lot can change. I've already said this is all moot, if the Nuggets aren't dominating. If he is that damn good, they should be running teams out of the gym on a nightly basis. The Sixers, with according to you, a worse Embiid have performed better than the Nuggets during the playoffs and the regular season, sense the lone WCF run that Nuggets had, when Murray did the heavy lifting. What's the point of being an advanced stats god if you you've got no hardware to show for it, apart from 2 MVPs. When it matters, why is it not making much of a difference?

So we are handing out awards for more 2nd round exits than the other player? Is it this level of mediocrity we have reached where we consider a player has performed better because A player has reached the 2nd round more than B player? Seriously never expected to ever see someone put forward a point like this when comparing players.

What's next? We going to compare how A player team finished with the 11th seed so he is better than B player because their team reached the 13th seed?


I guess you should have ZERO arguments why Tatum is easily MVP over Embiid based on your logic.

Tatum hasn't done jack either. He was propped by an insane defense, good coaching, and one hell of a sidekick who performed better than him in the finals. LOL.

[_NoMas]

Lol, no...

You're seriously (still) vouching for Embiid again, Eyeatoma?

Raw Plus/Minus:
Embiid: +116
Jokic: +199

Box Plus Minus:
Embiid: 8.7 (4th)
Jokic: 12.1 (1st by a huge margin)

PER:
Embiid: 30.5 (3rd)
Jokic: 32.5 (1st)

TS%:
Embiid: .646 (21st)
Jokic: .701 (2nd)

TS Added:
Embiid: 69.4 (9th)
Jokic: 106.5 (3rd)

Win Shares:
Embiid: 3.4 (T-14th)
Jokic: 4.9 (2nd)

WS/48:
Embiid: .244 (3rd)
Jokic: .301 (1st)

VORP:
Embiid: 1.9 (12th)
Jokic: 2.8 (2nd)

EPM:
Embiid: +7.4 (5th)
Jokic: +7.7 (T-2nd with Curry)

RAPM:
Embiid: 6.47 (5th)
Jokic: 7.91 (3rd)

Quarter way through the season. A lot can change. I've already said this is all moot, if the Nuggets aren't dominating. If he is that damn good, they should be running teams out of the gym on a nightly basis. The Sixers, which according to you, with a worse Embiid have performed better than the Nuggets during the playoffs and the regular season, sans the lone WCF run that Nuggets had, when Murray did the heavy lifting. What's the point of being an advanced stats god if you you've got no hardware to show for it, apart from 2 MVPs. When it matters, why is it not making much of a difference?

if you take away the 2 MVPs, the multiple all NBA first team selections and the superior play off performance, it really is quite close. Back in reality Jokic > Embiid

[eyeatoma]

You're seriously (still) vouching for Embiid again, Eyeatoma?

Raw Plus/Minus:
Embiid: +116
Jokic: +199

Box Plus Minus:
Embiid: 8.7 (4th)
Jokic: 12.1 (1st by a huge margin)

PER:
Embiid: 30.5 (3rd)
Jokic: 32.5 (1st)

TS%:
Embiid: .646 (21st)
Jokic: .701 (2nd)

TS Added:
Embiid: 69.4 (9th)
Jokic: 106.5 (3rd)

Win Shares:
Embiid: 3.4 (T-14th)
Jokic: 4.9 (2nd)

WS/48:
Embiid: .244 (3rd)
Jokic: .301 (1st)

VORP:
Embiid: 1.9 (12th)
Jokic: 2.8 (2nd)

EPM:
Embiid: +7.4 (5th)
Jokic: +7.7 (T-2nd with Curry)

RAPM:
Embiid: 6.47 (5th)
Jokic: 7.91 (3rd)

Quarter way through the season. A lot can change. I've already said this is all moot, if the Nuggets aren't dominating. If he is that damn good, they should be running teams out of the gym on a nightly basis. The Sixers, which according to you, with a worse Embiid have performed better than the Nuggets during the playoffs and the regular season, sans the lone WCF run that Nuggets had, when Murray did the heavy lifting. What's the point of being an advanced stats god if you you've got no hardware to show for it, apart from 2 MVPs. When it matters, why is it not making much of a difference?

if you take away the 2 MVPs, the multiple all NBA first team selections and the superior play off performance, it really is quite close. Back in reality Jokic > Embiid

The last two years of the MVP, were Embiid's for the first half of the season. 2 years ago he got hurt, and lost it, it was his to lose. Last season, Zach Lowe was aghast that the advanced stats god was losing after the straw poll, and had all of his pod cast bros whine about it. They used a couple of bad losses for Embiid after the allstar break, where he generally performed well as their reason to gift Jokic the MVP, only for him to lose in the 1st round as predicted.

The multiple all-nba selections? That is such a farce. The top 5 players in the league should be in the all nba. It is the most idiotic system set up. Even players like Jayson Tatum have said what a travesty it is that the MVP runner up 2 years in a row, is in the 2nd team.

[_NoMas]

Quarter way through the season. A lot can change. I've already said this is all moot, if the Nuggets aren't dominating. If he is that damn good, they should be running teams out of the gym on a nightly basis. The Sixers, which according to you, with a worse Embiid have performed better than the Nuggets during the playoffs and the regular season, sans the lone WCF run that Nuggets had, when Murray did the heavy lifting. What's the point of being an advanced stats god if you you've got no hardware to show for it, apart from 2 MVPs. When it matters, why is it not making much of a difference?

if you take away the 2 MVPs, the multiple all NBA first team selections and the superior play off performance, it really is quite close. Back in reality Jokic > Embiid

The last two years of the MVP, were Embiid's for the first half of the season. 2 years ago he got hurt, and lost it, it was his to lose. Last season, Zach Lowe was aghast that the advanced stats god was losing after the straw pll, and had all of his pod cast bros whine about it. They used a couple of bad losses for Embiid after the allstar break, where he generally performed well as their reason to gift Jokic the MVP, only for him to lose in the 1st round as predicted.

The multiple all-nba selections? That is such a farce. The top 5 players in the league should be in the all nba. It is the most idiotic system set up. Even players like Jayson Tatum have said what a travesty it is that the MVP runner up 2 years in a row, is in the 2nd team.

Sounds like a whole lot of tears, excuses and conspiracy theories.

[Cubbies2120]

Giannis is not the MVP. This is pathetic...

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The season is long. 2 weeks ago your sixers lost by 30 points vs the Cavs and Embiid had 19 points on 6-16.
This is just our 8th loss of the season. Your sixers have 12 already.

Embiid, Maxey and Harden have played 5 games together lol.

Wait a minute...are you saying it's crucial for an MVP candidate to have his 2nd and 3rd option?! Where did I hear this downplayed last season....hmm I'm trying to remember

If Harden plays zero games all season, and Maxey plays 9 games all season, then you'll get to experience what Nuggets fans got to watch last year...an MVP candidate with his 2 main helpers in suits on the bench.

Until then, you don't get to complain

[Sharkboy242]

eyetoma doesn't care about stats or reality. The crux of his argument will always fall back on "well Embiid has been good enough to be MVP so he should be MVP". Its all about feelings for him, stats be damned.

Sixers have performed better the past two seasons because why?
They lost to the Hawks who made it to the ECF in 2021
They lost to the Heat who made it to the ECF in 2022

Nuggets lost to
The Suns in 2021 who made it to the Finals
The Warriors in 2022 who were the champions

But context doesnt matter for this guy. Embiid better because they beat the Wizards and Raptors lol.

[eyeatoma]

The season is long. 2 weeks ago your sixers lost by 30 points vs the Cavs and Embiid had 19 points on 6-16.
This is just our 8th loss of the season. Your sixers have 12 already.

Embiid, Maxey and Harden have played 5 games together lol.

Wait a minute...are you saying it's crucial for an MVP candidate to have his 2nd and 3rd option?! Where did I hear this downplayed last season....hmm I'm trying to remember

If Harden plays zero games all season, and Maxey plays 9 games all season, then you'll get to experience what Nuggets fans got to watch last year...an MVP candidate with his 2 main helpers in suits on the bench.

Until then, you don't get to complain

Alright, so then when Embiid leads his team to the 6th seed, without his stars, I can expect an MVP?

Got it!

[Cubbies2120]

Lol, no...

You're seriously (still) vouching for Embiid again, Eyeatoma?

Raw Plus/Minus:
Embiid: +116
Jokic: +199

Box Plus Minus:
Embiid: 8.7 (4th)
Jokic: 12.1 (1st by a huge margin)

PER:
Embiid: 30.5 (3rd)
Jokic: 32.5 (1st)

TS%:
Embiid: .646 (21st)
Jokic: .701 (2nd)

TS Added:
Embiid: 69.4 (9th)
Jokic: 106.5 (3rd)

Win Shares:
Embiid: 3.4 (T-14th)
Jokic: 4.9 (2nd)

WS/48:
Embiid: .244 (3rd)
Jokic: .301 (1st)

VORP:
Embiid: 1.9 (12th)
Jokic: 2.8 (2nd)

EPM:
Embiid: +7.4 (5th)
Jokic: +7.7 (T-2nd with Curry)

RAPM:
Embiid: 6.47 (5th)
Jokic: 7.91 (3rd)

Quarter way through the season. A lot can change. I've already said this is all moot, if the Nuggets aren't dominating. If he is that damn good, they should be running teams out of the gym on a nightly basis. The Sixers, which according to you, with a worse Embiid have performed better than the Nuggets during the playoffs and the regular season, sans the lone WCF run that Nuggets had, when Murray did the heavy lifting. What's the point of being an advanced stats god if you you've got no hardware to show for it, apart from 2 MVPs. When it matters, why is it not making much of a difference?

"Murray did the heavy lifting", against the Jazz Murray was the more important player, until the biggest game, game 7, where Jokic carried them to a win.

In the next round, it was clearly Jokic, when they were facing the WC favorites (according to those Vegas odds that people kept bringing up last year ).

Jamal Murray is coming back from a season and a half off, I think it's fair to give him half a season to return to form.

Regarding the Sixers "performing better than the Nuggets, sans the lone WCF run", what are you using to quantify this?

2020: Jokic WCF, Embiid swept by team that didn't make it out of conference
2021: Jokic 2nd round, swept by eventual WC champs, Embiid 2nd round, beat by team that didn't make it out of conference
2022: Jokic 1st round, beat by best team in NBA, Embiid 2nd round, beat by team that didn't make it out of conference

Note that Jokic was missing, at minimum, his 2nd best player in each of the last 2 years.

The teams eliminating Jokic each of the last 3 years were either the best team in NBA (2x) or 2nd best team (1x).
The teams eliminating Embiid were not even close...

They. Are. Not. The. Same.

[Blaze4G]

Quarter way through the season. A lot can change. I've already said this is all moot, if the Nuggets aren't dominating. If he is that damn good, they should be running teams out of the gym on a nightly basis. The Sixers, with according to you, a worse Embiid have performed better than the Nuggets during the playoffs and the regular season, sense the lone WCF run that Nuggets had, when Murray did the heavy lifting. What's the point of being an advanced stats god if you you've got no hardware to show for it, apart from 2 MVPs. When it matters, why is it not making much of a difference?

So we are handing out awards for more 2nd round exits than the other player? Is it this level of mediocrity we have reached where we consider a player has performed better because A player has reached the 2nd round more than B player? Seriously never expected to ever see someone put forward a point like this when comparing players.

What's next? We going to compare how A player team finished with the 11th seed so he is better than B player because their team reached the 13th seed?


I guess you should have ZERO arguments why Tatum is easily MVP over Embiid based on your logic.

Tatum hasn't done jack either. He was propped by an insane defense, good coaching, and one hell of a sidekick who performed better than him in the finals. LOL.

oh so now the goal post has moved. I thought it was Embiid has made more 2nd round playoffs than Jokic so he is better. Tatum has made 3 ECF and 1 Finals but Embiid is still better.

[eyeatoma]

So we are handing out awards for more 2nd round exits than the other player? Is it this level of mediocrity we have reached where we consider a player has performed better because A player has reached the 2nd round more than B player? Seriously never expected to ever see someone put forward a point like this when comparing players.

What's next? We going to compare how A player team finished with the 11th seed so he is better than B player because their team reached the 13th seed?


I guess you should have ZERO arguments why Tatum is easily MVP over Embiid based on your logic.

Tatum hasn't done jack either. He was propped by an insane defense, good coaching, and one hell of a sidekick who performed better than him in the finals. LOL.

oh so now the goal post has moved. I thought it was Embiid has made more 2nd round playoffs than Jokic so he is better. Tatum has made 3 ECF and 1 Finals but Embiid is still better.

Jayson Tatum is not in the same stratosphere as both of these players. Stop bringing him up.

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[eyeatoma]

You're seriously (still) vouching for Embiid again, Eyeatoma?

Raw Plus/Minus:
Embiid: +116
Jokic: +199

Box Plus Minus:
Embiid: 8.7 (4th)
Jokic: 12.1 (1st by a huge margin)

PER:
Embiid: 30.5 (3rd)
Jokic: 32.5 (1st)

TS%:
Embiid: .646 (21st)
Jokic: .701 (2nd)

TS Added:
Embiid: 69.4 (9th)
Jokic: 106.5 (3rd)

Win Shares:
Embiid: 3.4 (T-14th)
Jokic: 4.9 (2nd)

WS/48:
Embiid: .244 (3rd)
Jokic: .301 (1st)

VORP:
Embiid: 1.9 (12th)
Jokic: 2.8 (2nd)

EPM:
Embiid: +7.4 (5th)
Jokic: +7.7 (T-2nd with Curry)

RAPM:
Embiid: 6.47 (5th)
Jokic: 7.91 (3rd)

Quarter way through the season. A lot can change. I've already said this is all moot, if the Nuggets aren't dominating. If he is that damn good, they should be running teams out of the gym on a nightly basis. The Sixers, which according to you, with a worse Embiid have performed better than the Nuggets during the playoffs and the regular season, sans the lone WCF run that Nuggets had, when Murray did the heavy lifting. What's the point of being an advanced stats god if you you've got no hardware to show for it, apart from 2 MVPs. When it matters, why is it not making much of a difference?

"Murray did the heavy lifting", against the Jazz Murray was the more important player, until the biggest game, game 7, where Jokic carried them to a win.

In the next round, it was clearly Jokic, when they were facing the WC favorites (according to those Vegas odds that people kept bringing up last year ).

Jamal Murray is coming back from a season and a half off, I think it's fair to give him half a season to return to form.

Regarding the Sixers "performing better than the Nuggets, sans the lone WCF run", what are you using to quantify this?

2020: Jokic WCF, Embiid swept by team that didn't make it out of conference
2021: Jokic 2nd round, swept by eventual WC champs, Embiid 2nd round, beat by team that didn't make it out of conference
2022: Jokic 1st round, beat by best team in NBA, Embiid 2nd round, beat by team that didn't make it out of conference

Note that Jokic was missing, at minimum, his 2nd best player in each of the last 2 years.

The teams eliminating Jokic each of the last 3 years were either the best team in NBA (2x) or 2nd best team (1x).
The teams eliminating Embiid were not even close...

They. Are. Not. The. Same.

You forget that 2020 the Sixers lost the series because of Simmons. That definitely counts for something. Embiid was the reason they were going to win.

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[Blaze4G]

Tatum hasn't done jack either. He was propped by an insane defense, good coaching, and one hell of a sidekick who performed better than him in the finals. LOL.

oh so now the goal post has moved. I thought it was Embiid has made more 2nd round playoffs than Jokic so he is better. Tatum has made 3 ECF and 1 Finals but Embiid is still better.

Jayson Tatum is not in the same stratosphere as both of these players. Stop bringing him up.

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How many times has Tatum beat the supposedly better player in Embiid in the playoffs again? Sorry, my memory is foggy. Maybe you can remind me.

*awaits excuses*

[Blaze4G]

Quarter way through the season. A lot can change. I've already said this is all moot, if the Nuggets aren't dominating. If he is that damn good, they should be running teams out of the gym on a nightly basis. The Sixers, which according to you, with a worse Embiid have performed better than the Nuggets during the playoffs and the regular season, sans the lone WCF run that Nuggets had, when Murray did the heavy lifting. What's the point of being an advanced stats god if you you've got no hardware to show for it, apart from 2 MVPs. When it matters, why is it not making much of a difference?

"Murray did the heavy lifting", against the Jazz Murray was the more important player, until the biggest game, game 7, where Jokic carried them to a win.

In the next round, it was clearly Jokic, when they were facing the WC favorites (according to those Vegas odds that people kept bringing up last year ).

Jamal Murray is coming back from a season and a half off, I think it's fair to give him half a season to return to form.

Regarding the Sixers "performing better than the Nuggets, sans the lone WCF run", what are you using to quantify this?

2020: Jokic WCF, Embiid swept by team that didn't make it out of conference
2021: Jokic 2nd round, swept by eventual WC champs, Embiid 2nd round, beat by team that didn't make it out of conference
2022: Jokic 1st round, beat by best team in NBA, Embiid 2nd round, beat by team that didn't make it out of conference

Note that Jokic was missing, at minimum, his 2nd best player in each of the last 2 years.

The teams eliminating Jokic each of the last 3 years were either the best team in NBA (2x) or 2nd best team (1x).
The teams eliminating Embiid were not even close...

They. Are. Not. The. Same.

You forget that 2020 the Sixers lost the series because of Simmons. That definitely counts for something. Embiid was the reason they were going to win.

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So another excuse?

Please address 2021 and 2022. Did you not read all the way or stopped at 2020? Looking forward to the excuses for 2021 and 2022.

[eyeatoma]

oh so now the goal post has moved. I thought it was Embiid has made more 2nd round playoffs than Jokic so he is better. Tatum has made 3 ECF and 1 Finals but Embiid is still better.

Jayson Tatum is not in the same stratosphere as both of these players. Stop bringing him up.

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How many times has Tatum beat the supposedly better player in Embiid in the playoffs again? Sorry, my memory is foggy. Maybe you can remind me.

*awaits excuses*

So because his team beat him that makes him better? Yeah, they're the better team, but Tatum at best is a top 5 to 10 player while Embiid is a top 3 player at worst.



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[Blaze4G]

Quarter way through the season. A lot can change. I've already said this is all moot, if the Nuggets aren't dominating. If he is that damn good, they should be running teams out of the gym on a nightly basis. The Sixers, which according to you, with a worse Embiid have performed better than the Nuggets during the playoffs and the regular season, sans the lone WCF run that Nuggets had, when Murray did the heavy lifting. What's the point of being an advanced stats god if you you've got no hardware to show for it, apart from 2 MVPs. When it matters, why is it not making much of a difference?

"Murray did the heavy lifting", against the Jazz Murray was the more important player, until the biggest game, game 7, where Jokic carried them to a win.

In the next round, it was clearly Jokic, when they were facing the WC favorites (according to those Vegas odds that people kept bringing up last year ).

Jamal Murray is coming back from a season and a half off, I think it's fair to give him half a season to return to form.

Regarding the Sixers "performing better than the Nuggets, sans the lone WCF run", what are you using to quantify this?

2020: Jokic WCF, Embiid swept by team that didn't make it out of conference
2021: Jokic 2nd round, swept by eventual WC champs, Embiid 2nd round, beat by team that didn't make it out of conference
2022: Jokic 1st round, beat by best team in NBA, Embiid 2nd round, beat by team that didn't make it out of conference

Note that Jokic was missing, at minimum, his 2nd best player in each of the last 2 years.

The teams eliminating Jokic each of the last 3 years were either the best team in NBA (2x) or 2nd best team (1x).
The teams eliminating Embiid were not even close...

They. Are. Not. The. Same.

You forget that 2020 the Sixers lost the series because of Simmons. That definitely counts for something. Embiid was the reason they were going to win.

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So another excuse?

Please address 2021 and 2022. Did you not read all the way or stopped at 2020? Looking forward to the excuses for 2021 and 2022.