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RB34 wrote:Inspektor1312 wrote:First time I've watched Tatum in a while. Not impressed tbh.
edit: wanted to post in the game thread, but I guess it's appropriate here since JT is in the MVP convo.
I too like to not watch players but then comment on random games when they don’t meet my standard.
eyeatoma wrote:One of the greatest scorers in NBA history.
The fact that he's doing it with the lowest MPG amongst the group is the most impressive part.
Inspektor1312 wrote:RB34 wrote:Inspektor1312 wrote:First time I've watched Tatum in a while. Not impressed tbh.
edit: wanted to post in the game thread, but I guess it's appropriate here since JT is in the MVP convo.
I too like to not watch players but then comment on random games when they don’t meet my standard.
Sorry for being honest and stating my opinion lmao
bisme37 wrote:Latest MVP ladder on NBA.com:
1 Jokic
2 Tatum
3 Embiid
4 Luka
5 Giannis
6 Morant
7 Durant
8 Mitchell
9 SGA
10 Brown
https://www.nba.com/news/kia-mvp-ladder-jan-20-2023-edition
PennSports wrote:"Voters will look to do anything to not give it to Jokic this year we know this. But it’s past the point of it being a Derrick Rose style win. The guys had arguably the best 3 season stretch of any player all time. "
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do we know this? No one is really bringing voter fatigue up as a negative and Jokic keeps winning every accolade while being on track for an unprecedented third straight MVP without any playoff success. The guys bringing it up like Zach Lowe and Bill Simmons bring it up to say it doesnt matter! Where are the complaints coming from?
It is actually Embiid they wont give literally anything. Best Center in the league 5 years ago... give all nba to Anthony Davis when he legit says every month he doesnt play center and literally doesnt for half his plays.
Razors edge with Jokic the next 3 years all go to Jokic for all nba and no one bends the rules for him for all-nba
2nd in DPOY voting but also 2nd team all defense. Yet in many years before and after this decision theyve put as many as 4 centers on the 2 all-defense teams. Not for embiid, hes never been first team all-d a single time, just like never being all-nba first team a single time.
All star voting this year seems to be following a similar trend although less important i think its just funny to bring up. Its front court and not defined positions!
Everything that can go against embiid seems to have happened and everything that can go for him doesnt matter. To a comical degree. Complaining about Jokic not being respected enough is tonedeaf
PennSports wrote:"Voters will look to do anything to not give it to Jokic this year we know this. But it’s past the point of it being a Derrick Rose style win. The guys had arguably the best 3 season stretch of any player all time. "
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do we know this? No one is really bringing voter fatigue up as a negative and Jokic keeps winning every accolade while being on track for an unprecedented third straight MVP without any playoff success. The guys bringing it up like Zach Lowe and Bill Simmons bring it up to say it doesnt matter! Where are the complaints coming from?
It is actually Embiid they wont give literally anything. Best Center in the league 5 years ago... give all nba to Anthony Davis when he legit says every month he doesnt play center and literally doesnt for half his plays.
Razors edge with Jokic the next 3 years all go to Jokic for all nba and no one bends the rules for him for all-nba
2nd in DPOY voting but also 2nd team all defense. Yet in many years before and after this decision theyve put as many as 4 centers on the 2 all-defense teams. Not for embiid, hes never been first team all-d a single time, just like never being all-nba first team a single time.
All star voting this year seems to be following a similar trend although less important i think its just funny to bring up. Its front court and not defined positions!
Everything that can go against embiid seems to have happened and everything that can go for him doesnt matter. To a comical degree. Complaining about Jokic not being respected enough is tonedeaf
Young gun 6 wrote:PennSports wrote:"Voters will look to do anything to not give it to Jokic this year we know this. But it’s past the point of it being a Derrick Rose style win. The guys had arguably the best 3 season stretch of any player all time. "
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do we know this? No one is really bringing voter fatigue up as a negative and Jokic keeps winning every accolade while being on track for an unprecedented third straight MVP without any playoff success. The guys bringing it up like Zach Lowe and Bill Simmons bring it up to say it doesnt matter! Where are the complaints coming from?
It is actually Embiid they wont give literally anything. Best Center in the league 5 years ago... give all nba to Anthony Davis when he legit says every month he doesnt play center and literally doesnt for half his plays.
Razors edge with Jokic the next 3 years all go to Jokic for all nba and no one bends the rules for him for all-nba
2nd in DPOY voting but also 2nd team all defense. Yet in many years before and after this decision theyve put as many as 4 centers on the 2 all-defense teams. Not for embiid, hes never been first team all-d a single time, just like never being all-nba first team a single time.
All star voting this year seems to be following a similar trend although less important i think its just funny to bring up. Its front court and not defined positions!
Everything that can go against embiid seems to have happened and everything that can go for him doesnt matter. To a comical degree. Complaining about Jokic not being respected enough is tonedeaf
Sounds like a salty Embiid fan who wants to just hand him awards he doesn’t deserve.
Embiid has been unlucky in the sense that he keeps meeting one better in all of those aspects. It’s like saying let’s give the scoring title to a player who averages 30ppg instead of one who averages 32ppg just because he hasn’t gotten any awards and we need to share around the awards like a kids league.
Unfortunately when you miss 10-15+ games on your competitors every season it’s always going to be tough to beat them in awards, especially if you’re behind them before even factoring in missed games.
On your points though, Jokic has been playing with nowhere even close to a playoff team cast since getting Murray and MPJ back this year. And with them back he has them as the no.1 seed in the West. You’re looking so arbitrarily at a point of needing playoff success when he’s missing half of his roster in playoffs. Embiid has none either with a far better roster, so if you’re going to make that point you’d at least hope the other candidate you’re campaigning for has that as a point on his side you can look to.
You’re then looking back to a single all nba centre position 5 years ago as a reason for Embiid being looked against. It’s the only single point in your post that is even arguable. That’s the one where he definitely should have gotten all nba first team and the mistake that is genuinely wrong. He played more games than AD and genuinely did deserve that first team selection.
He wasn’t razors edge with Jokic the next 3 seasons. Jokic was clearly better and Embiid missed the following:
2020: 30% of games missed.
2021: 38% of games missed.
2021: 17% of games missed.
You’re never going to win awards missing 30+% of the season if you’re neck and neck or still behind without when factoring that in.
There’s no argument at all for 2020 or 2021 when he wasn’t as good and missed 34% of games in that span. No one, not even MJ would win awards missing that amount of games.
Then you look at 2022, Jokic played in more wins with a lottery team level roster while Embiid had Harden, Maxey, Harris and still couldn’t win as many games in the games they played.
Jokic also broke the all time PER record ( higher than MJ, Lebron, Bird etc.) and averaged 27/14/8 on elite efficiency. He’s also never missed more than 10% of any season he’s played. There was no argument here for Embiid.
Can you show me where they’ve put 4 centres across these 2 teams? There hasn’t been a single season in the last 20 where’s there’s been 2 pure Centres in the all nba first team. AD is a PF or at worst a PF/C that could be argued into either position. Embiid has never played a single second as a PF so you can’t just magically change his position to include him as a forward when he doesn’t ever play there. There’s often many wing forwards that miss out on all nba defensive first team that are better than the guards but that’s not unlucky it’s just the fact you need 2 guards, 2 forwards and 1 centre. If you split positions at times it can be argued as to where you go in these awards which has helped AD get lucky in a few ‘C’ All Nba teams when he plays 80% of his time at PF. Embiid plays 0% PF and 100% C so unfortunately for him like Gobert, like Jokic, like Jarrett Allen, he’s never going to be eligible for any forward awards or positions.
He simply has to play more games AND be better than the best Centre’s which he hasn’t been in any award at all except for the all nba first team 5 years ago.
He’s never been MVP because he’s never deserved it in any single year. His seasons would have in other years but he faced better competition. He’s unlucky on his timing but so are many players who don’t get given consolidation awards just for being good at the detriment of someone better who has already won awards.
Gobert’s been better defensively and Jokic has been better overall. There’s no injustices just unfortunate with timing.
That’s before even factoring in he’s missing 15+ games most seasons which is a huge issue and always has been for nearly all players in all awards, especially if there’s players better than you anyway.
It’s very simple, stop complaining about everything going against someone and actually look at maybe being better than the other players for a start and then secondly actually staying on the court.
eyeatoma wrote:Young gun 6 wrote:PennSports wrote:"Voters will look to do anything to not give it to Jokic this year we know this. But it’s past the point of it being a Derrick Rose style win. The guys had arguably the best 3 season stretch of any player all time. "
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do we know this? No one is really bringing voter fatigue up as a negative and Jokic keeps winning every accolade while being on track for an unprecedented third straight MVP without any playoff success. The guys bringing it up like Zach Lowe and Bill Simmons bring it up to say it doesnt matter! Where are the complaints coming from?
It is actually Embiid they wont give literally anything. Best Center in the league 5 years ago... give all nba to Anthony Davis when he legit says every month he doesnt play center and literally doesnt for half his plays.
Razors edge with Jokic the next 3 years all go to Jokic for all nba and no one bends the rules for him for all-nba
2nd in DPOY voting but also 2nd team all defense. Yet in many years before and after this decision theyve put as many as 4 centers on the 2 all-defense teams. Not for embiid, hes never been first team all-d a single time, just like never being all-nba first team a single time.
All star voting this year seems to be following a similar trend although less important i think its just funny to bring up. Its front court and not defined positions!
Everything that can go against embiid seems to have happened and everything that can go for him doesnt matter. To a comical degree. Complaining about Jokic not being respected enough is tonedeaf
Sounds like a salty Embiid fan who wants to just hand him awards he doesn’t deserve.
Embiid has been unlucky in the sense that he keeps meeting one better in all of those aspects. It’s like saying let’s give the scoring title to a player who averages 30ppg instead of one who averages 32ppg just because he hasn’t gotten any awards and we need to share around the awards like a kids league.
Unfortunately when you miss 10-15+ games on your competitors every season it’s always going to be tough to beat them in awards, especially if you’re behind them before even factoring in missed games.
On your points though, Jokic has been playing with nowhere even close to a playoff team cast since getting Murray and MPJ back this year. And with them back he has them as the no.1 seed in the West. You’re looking so arbitrarily at a point of needing playoff success when he’s missing half of his roster in playoffs. Embiid has none either with a far better roster, so if you’re going to make that point you’d at least hope the other candidate you’re campaigning for has that as a point on his side you can look to.
You’re then looking back to a single all nba centre position 5 years ago as a reason for Embiid being looked against. It’s the only single point in your post that is even arguable. That’s the one where he definitely should have gotten all nba first team and the mistake that is genuinely wrong. He played more games than AD and genuinely did deserve that first team selection.
He wasn’t razors edge with Jokic the next 3 seasons. Jokic was clearly better and Embiid missed the following:
2020: 30% of games missed.
2021: 38% of games missed.
2021: 17% of games missed.
You’re never going to win awards missing 30+% of the season if you’re neck and neck or still behind without when factoring that in.
There’s no argument at all for 2020 or 2021 when he wasn’t as good and missed 34% of games in that span. No one, not even MJ would win awards missing that amount of games.
Then you look at 2022, Jokic played in more wins with a lottery team level roster while Embiid had Harden, Maxey, Harris and still couldn’t win as many games in the games they played.
Jokic also broke the all time PER record ( higher than MJ, Lebron, Bird etc.) and averaged 27/14/8 on elite efficiency. He’s also never missed more than 10% of any season he’s played. There was no argument here for Embiid.
Can you show me where they’ve put 4 centres across these 2 teams? There hasn’t been a single season in the last 20 where’s there’s been 2 pure Centres in the all nba first team. AD is a PF or at worst a PF/C that could be argued into either position. Embiid has never played a single second as a PF so you can’t just magically change his position to include him as a forward when he doesn’t ever play there. There’s often many wing forwards that miss out on all nba defensive first team that are better than the guards but that’s not unlucky it’s just the fact you need 2 guards, 2 forwards and 1 centre. If you split positions at times it can be argued as to where you go in these awards which has helped AD get lucky in a few ‘C’ All Nba teams when he plays 80% of his time at PF. Embiid plays 0% PF and 100% C so unfortunately for him like Gobert, like Jokic, like Jarrett Allen, he’s never going to be eligible for any forward awards or positions.
He simply has to play more games AND be better than the best Centre’s which he hasn’t been in any award at all except for the all nba first team 5 years ago.
He’s never been MVP because he’s never deserved it in any single year. His seasons would have in other years but he faced better competition. He’s unlucky on his timing but so are many players who don’t get given consolidation awards just for being good at the detriment of someone better who has already won awards.
Gobert’s been better defensively and Jokic has been better overall. There’s no injustices just unfortunate with timing.
That’s before even factoring in he’s missing 15+ games most seasons which is a huge issue and always has been for nearly all players in all awards, especially if there’s players better than you anyway.
It’s very simple, stop complaining about everything going against someone and actually look at maybe being better than the other players for a start and then secondly actually staying on the court.
Not sure what you're talking about, last two years were definitely a razor's edge. 2 years ago, Embiid was the betting odds favorite at the all star break, then he went down with an injury. Last year he was leading the straw poll at All star break, then Zach Lowe freaked out and got his podcast buddies to vote Jokic, who's in 6th. They decided on the MVP based on 3 losses after the AS break, 1 to the Nuggets, 1 to the Nets and 1 to the Celtics.
The double standards continue with Luka having his team in 5th, but somehow that's not enough, because Jokic is in 1st now, even though Embiid was in 1st 2 years ago. Every year they make reasons why no one else can win it, but then when Jokic does it it's fine. LOL
eyeatoma wrote:Young gun 6 wrote:PennSports wrote:"Voters will look to do anything to not give it to Jokic this year we know this. But it’s past the point of it being a Derrick Rose style win. The guys had arguably the best 3 season stretch of any player all time. "
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do we know this? No one is really bringing voter fatigue up as a negative and Jokic keeps winning every accolade while being on track for an unprecedented third straight MVP without any playoff success. The guys bringing it up like Zach Lowe and Bill Simmons bring it up to say it doesnt matter! Where are the complaints coming from?
It is actually Embiid they wont give literally anything. Best Center in the league 5 years ago... give all nba to Anthony Davis when he legit says every month he doesnt play center and literally doesnt for half his plays.
Razors edge with Jokic the next 3 years all go to Jokic for all nba and no one bends the rules for him for all-nba
2nd in DPOY voting but also 2nd team all defense. Yet in many years before and after this decision theyve put as many as 4 centers on the 2 all-defense teams. Not for embiid, hes never been first team all-d a single time, just like never being all-nba first team a single time.
All star voting this year seems to be following a similar trend although less important i think its just funny to bring up. Its front court and not defined positions!
Everything that can go against embiid seems to have happened and everything that can go for him doesnt matter. To a comical degree. Complaining about Jokic not being respected enough is tonedeaf
Sounds like a salty Embiid fan who wants to just hand him awards he doesn’t deserve.
Embiid has been unlucky in the sense that he keeps meeting one better in all of those aspects. It’s like saying let’s give the scoring title to a player who averages 30ppg instead of one who averages 32ppg just because he hasn’t gotten any awards and we need to share around the awards like a kids league.
Unfortunately when you miss 10-15+ games on your competitors every season it’s always going to be tough to beat them in awards, especially if you’re behind them before even factoring in missed games.
On your points though, Jokic has been playing with nowhere even close to a playoff team cast since getting Murray and MPJ back this year. And with them back he has them as the no.1 seed in the West. You’re looking so arbitrarily at a point of needing playoff success when he’s missing half of his roster in playoffs. Embiid has none either with a far better roster, so if you’re going to make that point you’d at least hope the other candidate you’re campaigning for has that as a point on his side you can look to.
You’re then looking back to a single all nba centre position 5 years ago as a reason for Embiid being looked against. It’s the only single point in your post that is even arguable. That’s the one where he definitely should have gotten all nba first team and the mistake that is genuinely wrong. He played more games than AD and genuinely did deserve that first team selection.
He wasn’t razors edge with Jokic the next 3 seasons. Jokic was clearly better and Embiid missed the following:
2020: 30% of games missed.
2021: 38% of games missed.
2021: 17% of games missed.
You’re never going to win awards missing 30+% of the season if you’re neck and neck or still behind without when factoring that in.
There’s no argument at all for 2020 or 2021 when he wasn’t as good and missed 34% of games in that span. No one, not even MJ would win awards missing that amount of games.
Then you look at 2022, Jokic played in more wins with a lottery team level roster while Embiid had Harden, Maxey, Harris and still couldn’t win as many games in the games they played.
Jokic also broke the all time PER record ( higher than MJ, Lebron, Bird etc.) and averaged 27/14/8 on elite efficiency. He’s also never missed more than 10% of any season he’s played. There was no argument here for Embiid.
Can you show me where they’ve put 4 centres across these 2 teams? There hasn’t been a single season in the last 20 where’s there’s been 2 pure Centres in the all nba first team. AD is a PF or at worst a PF/C that could be argued into either position. Embiid has never played a single second as a PF so you can’t just magically change his position to include him as a forward when he doesn’t ever play there. There’s often many wing forwards that miss out on all nba defensive first team that are better than the guards but that’s not unlucky it’s just the fact you need 2 guards, 2 forwards and 1 centre. If you split positions at times it can be argued as to where you go in these awards which has helped AD get lucky in a few ‘C’ All Nba teams when he plays 80% of his time at PF. Embiid plays 0% PF and 100% C so unfortunately for him like Gobert, like Jokic, like Jarrett Allen, he’s never going to be eligible for any forward awards or positions.
He simply has to play more games AND be better than the best Centre’s which he hasn’t been in any award at all except for the all nba first team 5 years ago.
He’s never been MVP because he’s never deserved it in any single year. His seasons would have in other years but he faced better competition. He’s unlucky on his timing but so are many players who don’t get given consolidation awards just for being good at the detriment of someone better who has already won awards.
Gobert’s been better defensively and Jokic has been better overall. There’s no injustices just unfortunate with timing.
That’s before even factoring in he’s missing 15+ games most seasons which is a huge issue and always has been for nearly all players in all awards, especially if there’s players better than you anyway.
It’s very simple, stop complaining about everything going against someone and actually look at maybe being better than the other players for a start and then secondly actually staying on the court.
Not sure what you're talking about, last two years were definitely a razor's edge. 2 years ago, Embiid was the betting odds favorite at the all star break, then he went down with an injury. Last year he was leading the straw poll at All star break, then Zach Lowe freaked out and got his podcast buddies to vote Jokic, who's in 6th. They decided on the MVP based on 3 losses after the AS break, 1 to the Nuggets, 1 to the Nets and 1 to the Celtics.
The double standards continue with Luka having his team in 5th, but somehow that's not enough, because Jokic is in 1st now, even though Embiid was in 1st 2 years ago. Every year they make reasons why no one else can win it, but then when Jokic does it it's fine. LOL
You don't deserve the MVP for 6th seed. Especially when the competition played a career high in games.Young gun 6 wrote:eyeatoma wrote:Young gun 6 wrote:
Sounds like a salty Embiid fan who wants to just hand him awards he doesn’t deserve.
Embiid has been unlucky in the sense that he keeps meeting one better in all of those aspects. It’s like saying let’s give the scoring title to a player who averages 30ppg instead of one who averages 32ppg just because he hasn’t gotten any awards and we need to share around the awards like a kids league.
Unfortunately when you miss 10-15+ games on your competitors every season it’s always going to be tough to beat them in awards, especially if you’re behind them before even factoring in missed games.
On your points though, Jokic has been playing with nowhere even close to a playoff team cast since getting Murray and MPJ back this year. And with them back he has them as the no.1 seed in the West. You’re looking so arbitrarily at a point of needing playoff success when he’s missing half of his roster in playoffs. Embiid has none either with a far better roster, so if you’re going to make that point you’d at least hope the other candidate you’re campaigning for has that as a point on his side you can look to.
You’re then looking back to a single all nba centre position 5 years ago as a reason for Embiid being looked against. It’s the only single point in your post that is even arguable. That’s the one where he definitely should have gotten all nba first team and the mistake that is genuinely wrong. He played more games than AD and genuinely did deserve that first team selection.
He wasn’t razors edge with Jokic the next 3 seasons. Jokic was clearly better and Embiid missed the following:
2020: 30% of games missed.
2021: 38% of games missed.
2021: 17% of games missed.
You’re never going to win awards missing 30+% of the season if you’re neck and neck or still behind without when factoring that in.
There’s no argument at all for 2020 or 2021 when he wasn’t as good and missed 34% of games in that span. No one, not even MJ would win awards missing that amount of games.
Then you look at 2022, Jokic played in more wins with a lottery team level roster while Embiid had Harden, Maxey, Harris and still couldn’t win as many games in the games they played.
Jokic also broke the all time PER record ( higher than MJ, Lebron, Bird etc.) and averaged 27/14/8 on elite efficiency. He’s also never missed more than 10% of any season he’s played. There was no argument here for Embiid.
Can you show me where they’ve put 4 centres across these 2 teams? There hasn’t been a single season in the last 20 where’s there’s been 2 pure Centres in the all nba first team. AD is a PF or at worst a PF/C that could be argued into either position. Embiid has never played a single second as a PF so you can’t just magically change his position to include him as a forward when he doesn’t ever play there. There’s often many wing forwards that miss out on all nba defensive first team that are better than the guards but that’s not unlucky it’s just the fact you need 2 guards, 2 forwards and 1 centre. If you split positions at times it can be argued as to where you go in these awards which has helped AD get lucky in a few ‘C’ All Nba teams when he plays 80% of his time at PF. Embiid plays 0% PF and 100% C so unfortunately for him like Gobert, like Jokic, like Jarrett Allen, he’s never going to be eligible for any forward awards or positions.
He simply has to play more games AND be better than the best Centre’s which he hasn’t been in any award at all except for the all nba first team 5 years ago.
He’s never been MVP because he’s never deserved it in any single year. His seasons would have in other years but he faced better competition. He’s unlucky on his timing but so are many players who don’t get given consolidation awards just for being good at the detriment of someone better who has already won awards.
Gobert’s been better defensively and Jokic has been better overall. There’s no injustices just unfortunate with timing.
That’s before even factoring in he’s missing 15+ games most seasons which is a huge issue and always has been for nearly all players in all awards, especially if there’s players better than you anyway.
It’s very simple, stop complaining about everything going against someone and actually look at maybe being better than the other players for a start and then secondly actually staying on the court.
Not sure what you're talking about, last two years were definitely a razor's edge. 2 years ago, Embiid was the betting odds favorite at the all star break, then he went down with an injury. Last year he was leading the straw poll at All star break, then Zach Lowe freaked out and got his podcast buddies to vote Jokic, who's in 6th. They decided on the MVP based on 3 losses after the AS break, 1 to the Nuggets, 1 to the Nets and 1 to the Celtics.
The double standards continue with Luka having his team in 5th, but somehow that's not enough, because Jokic is in 1st now, even though Embiid was in 1st 2 years ago. Every year they make reasons why no one else can win it, but then when Jokic does it it's fine. LOL
Or….They just award it to the best, most deserving player.
Which they have and hopefully do again this season when it’s clear who the best player is after 82 games.
If Jokic misses 30% of the season this year of course he won’t win MVP. Would be crazy to think he should, as it was in 2021 for Embiid missing 30% of the regular season with other as worthy candidates.
eyeatoma wrote:You don't deserve the MVP for 6th seed. Especially when the competition played a career high in games.Young gun 6 wrote:eyeatoma wrote:
Not sure what you're talking about, last two years were definitely a razor's edge. 2 years ago, Embiid was the betting odds favorite at the all star break, then he went down with an injury. Last year he was leading the straw poll at All star break, then Zach Lowe freaked out and got his podcast buddies to vote Jokic, who's in 6th. They decided on the MVP based on 3 losses after the AS break, 1 to the Nuggets, 1 to the Nets and 1 to the Celtics.
The double standards continue with Luka having his team in 5th, but somehow that's not enough, because Jokic is in 1st now, even though Embiid was in 1st 2 years ago. Every year they make reasons why no one else can win it, but then when Jokic does it it's fine. LOL
Or….They just award it to the best, most deserving player.
Which they have and hopefully do again this season when it’s clear who the best player is after 82 games.
If Jokic misses 30% of the season this year of course he won’t win MVP. Would be crazy to think he should, as it was in 2021 for Embiid missing 30% of the regular season with other as worthy candidates.
Goal posts are always moved for Joker. If he wins this year he'll go down as the only 3 peat MVP winner who has not won a chip.
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BigGargamel wrote:Embiid and Luka definitely deserve to be MVP this year. But neither are having a better year than Jokic. That's pretty black and white, it's not even really all that subjective this year. It's nothing those two (and Tatum) are doing wrong, Jokic is just existing at the same time that they are. Somehow, against all logic, he keeps getting better.
-Stats blow everyone else out of the water
-Nuggets almost have the best record in the NBA
-He hardly ever misses games
Any other pick would be a travesty. It's not because there aren't other deserving candidates. Jokic has just been better.
BigGargamel wrote:eyeatoma wrote:You don't deserve the MVP for 6th seed. Especially when the competition played a career high in games.Young gun 6 wrote:
Or….They just award it to the best, most deserving player.
Which they have and hopefully do again this season when it’s clear who the best player is after 82 games.
If Jokic misses 30% of the season this year of course he won’t win MVP. Would be crazy to think he should, as it was in 2021 for Embiid missing 30% of the regular season with other as worthy candidates.
Goal posts are always moved for Joker. If he wins this year he'll go down as the only 3 peat MVP winner who has not won a chip.
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Sixers won three whole more games than the Nuggets last year. LOL. Embiid had Maxey and Harden. Jokic had Bones (not even hyperbole, Bones was probably Denver's second best player last year). What he was able to do with that carcass of a roster was absolutely MVP worthy. He, single-handedly, won 48 games LOL. He was the absolute textbook definition of an MVP.
People arguing against Jokic are grasping at straws, because there is no logical argument to be made.
I get it, if he wasn't on my favorite team I'd probably be tired of him dominating too. But he is, and he is.
eyeatoma wrote:You don't deserve the MVP for 6th seed. Especially when the competition played a career high in games.Young gun 6 wrote:eyeatoma wrote:
Not sure what you're talking about, last two years were definitely a razor's edge. 2 years ago, Embiid was the betting odds favorite at the all star break, then he went down with an injury. Last year he was leading the straw poll at All star break, then Zach Lowe freaked out and got his podcast buddies to vote Jokic, who's in 6th. They decided on the MVP based on 3 losses after the AS break, 1 to the Nuggets, 1 to the Nets and 1 to the Celtics.
The double standards continue with Luka having his team in 5th, but somehow that's not enough, because Jokic is in 1st now, even though Embiid was in 1st 2 years ago. Every year they make reasons why no one else can win it, but then when Jokic does it it's fine. LOL
Or….They just award it to the best, most deserving player.
Which they have and hopefully do again this season when it’s clear who the best player is after 82 games.
If Jokic misses 30% of the season this year of course he won’t win MVP. Would be crazy to think he should, as it was in 2021 for Embiid missing 30% of the regular season with other as worthy candidates.
Goal posts are always moved for Joker. If he wins this year he'll go down as the only 3 peat MVP winner who has not won a chip.
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Duke4life831 wrote:eyeatoma wrote:You don't deserve the MVP for 6th seed. Especially when the competition played a career high in games.Young gun 6 wrote:
Or….They just award it to the best, most deserving player.
Which they have and hopefully do again this season when it’s clear who the best player is after 82 games.
If Jokic misses 30% of the season this year of course he won’t win MVP. Would be crazy to think he should, as it was in 2021 for Embiid missing 30% of the regular season with other as worthy candidates.
Goal posts are always moved for Joker. If he wins this year he'll go down as the only 3 peat MVP winner who has not won a chip.
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But here's the thing. Even with Embiid playing a career high in games, Jokic still won more games. Embiid played in 45 wins last year. Jokic played in 46 wins. Does Embiid really get a huge boost because his team won more games without him than Denver did without Jokic?