NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (continued)

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Who is leading the race for MVP? (players listed in alphabetical order)

Giannis Antetokounmpo
50
17%
Luka Doncic
45
15%
Kevin Durant
1
0%
Anthony Edwards
3
1%
Joel Embiid
61
21%
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
41
14%
Tyrese Haliburton
8
3%
Nikola Jokic
64
22%
Jayson Tatum
7
2%
Other (Kawhi, Curry, Booker, Fox, Gobert, LeBron, AD, Etc.)
11
4%
 
Total votes: 291

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Post#1401 » by Cubbies2120 » Mon Jan 1, 2024 5:49 pm

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Real good chance Embiid doesn’t play enough games, which I think would be a dumb reason for someone not to get MVP. I get the rationale but the voters should factor that and decide on their own he didn’t play enough rather than not being able to vote for him.


Well, they pretty much did that if you look at the historical MVPs. I believe only one MVP missed more than 10 games in the last 40 years?

If anything, putting in the minimum games played at 65 (meaning 17 missed games are allowed) HELPS the chronically injured/resting players. Now the voters can ignore the historical precedent of 10 games missed, and allow for an additional 7 games to be missed.
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Post#1402 » by Mavrelous » Mon Jan 1, 2024 6:02 pm

Cubbies2120 wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
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Real good chance Embiid doesn’t play enough games, which I think would be a dumb reason for someone not to get MVP. I get the rationale but the voters should factor that and decide on their own he didn’t play enough rather than not being able to vote for him.


Well, they pretty much did that if you look at the historical MVPs. I believe only one MVP missed more than 10 games in the last 40 years?

If anything, putting in the minimum games played at 65 (meaning 17 missed games are allowed) HELPS the chronically injured/resting players. Now the voters can ignore the historical precedent of 10 games missed, and allow for an additional 7 games to be missed.

Not with Embiid, the sour taste from his previous selection, and his history of failures in the off season has him on short leesh.
Personally, I think Embiid will play less than 70 games, and if SGA finishes top 3 in the west they'll find any reason to give it to him, same way they gave it to Embiid last year, despite Jokic and Giannis being just as deserving.
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Post#1403 » by Jaqua92 » Mon Jan 1, 2024 6:51 pm

Mavrelous wrote:
Cubbies2120 wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
Real good chance Embiid doesn’t play enough games, which I think would be a dumb reason for someone not to get MVP. I get the rationale but the voters should factor that and decide on their own he didn’t play enough rather than not being able to vote for him.


Well, they pretty much did that if you look at the historical MVPs. I believe only one MVP missed more than 10 games in the last 40 years?

If anything, putting in the minimum games played at 65 (meaning 17 missed games are allowed) HELPS the chronically injured/resting players. Now the voters can ignore the historical precedent of 10 games missed, and allow for an additional 7 games to be missed.

Not with Embiid, the sour taste from his previous selection, and his history of failures in the off season has him on short leesh.
Personally, I think Embiid will play less than 70 games, and if SGA finishes top 3 in the west they'll find any reason to give it to him, same way they gave it to Embiid last year, despite Jokic and Giannis being just as deserving.


Yeah. I am here as well. He may be leading the race now, but I'd bet money voters aren't going to award the worst playoff performer of all time amongst MVPS a second mvp

He may lead the race, but he's absolutely not favored in reality.

It's Jokic's award to lose. After last season, he's absolutely going to have a narrative advantage whether he deserves it or not.

Unless SGA and Luka continue this production WITH top 3 seeding, or the #1 seed in SGA's case, Jokic already has it won.

The NBA is reality tv. I mean, Jokic doesn't take more than 3 free throws a game for like a month, but against the Warriors, on Christmas, the most watched Nuggets game of the year, he gets 18?

It's all nonsense. Jokic's MVP to lose still.
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Post#1404 » by scrabbarista » Mon Jan 1, 2024 7:00 pm

Jaqua92 wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:
Cubbies2120 wrote:
Well, they pretty much did that if you look at the historical MVPs. I believe only one MVP missed more than 10 games in the last 40 years?

If anything, putting in the minimum games played at 65 (meaning 17 missed games are allowed) HELPS the chronically injured/resting players. Now the voters can ignore the historical precedent of 10 games missed, and allow for an additional 7 games to be missed.

Not with Embiid, the sour taste from his previous selection, and his history of failures in the off season has him on short leesh.
Personally, I think Embiid will play less than 70 games, and if SGA finishes top 3 in the west they'll find any reason to give it to him, same way they gave it to Embiid last year, despite Jokic and Giannis being just as deserving.


Yeah. I am here as well. He may be leading the race now, but I'd bet money voters aren't going to award the worst playoff performer of all time amongst MVPS a second mvp

He may lead the race, but he's absolutely not favored in reality.

It's Jokic's award to lose. After last season, he's absolutely going to have a narrative advantage whether he deserves it or not.

Unless SGA and Luka continue this production WITH top 3 seeding, or the #1 seed in SGA's case, Jokic already has it won.

The NBA is reality tv. I mean, Jokic doesn't take more than 3 free throws a game for like a month, but against the Warriors, on Christmas, the most watched Nuggets game of the year, he gets 18?

It's all nonsense. Jokic's MVP to lose still.


You didn't understand what he wrote. He said they'll find any reason to give it to SGA, even if Jokic deserves it. You said, "I agree, they'll find a reason to give it to Jokic, even if he doesn't deserve it." That's the opposite of what he wrote.
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Post#1405 » by mediocrityrules » Mon Jan 1, 2024 11:18 pm

If form lines continue and team positions remain largely where they are now, I'm happy for SGA to get the nod.
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Post#1406 » by AleksandarN » Tue Jan 2, 2024 12:37 am

Cubbies2120 wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
Mavrelous wrote:
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Real good chance Embiid doesn’t play enough games, which I think would be a dumb reason for someone not to get MVP. I get the rationale but the voters should factor that and decide on their own he didn’t play enough rather than not being able to vote for him.


Well, they pretty much did that if you look at the historical MVPs. I believe only one MVP missed more than 10 games in the last 40 years?

If anything, putting in the minimum games played at 65 (meaning 17 missed games are allowed) HELPS the chronically injured/resting players. Now the voters can ignore the historical precedent of 10 games missed, and allow for an additional 7 games to be missed.

If you went by historical precedent Embiid should not have won it last year with the amount of games he missed. I think the most in the last 50 years to win the award. Also Given that Jokic had the better season. The media was looking for anyone to come close to Jokic. It is what it is though. Embiid had a great season just not as good as Jokic last season
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Post#1408 » by Cubbies2120 » Tue Jan 2, 2024 2:25 am

AleksandarN wrote:
Cubbies2120 wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
Real good chance Embiid doesn’t play enough games, which I think would be a dumb reason for someone not to get MVP. I get the rationale but the voters should factor that and decide on their own he didn’t play enough rather than not being able to vote for him.


Well, they pretty much did that if you look at the historical MVPs. I believe only one MVP missed more than 10 games in the last 40 years?

If anything, putting in the minimum games played at 65 (meaning 17 missed games are allowed) HELPS the chronically injured/resting players. Now the voters can ignore the historical precedent of 10 games missed, and allow for an additional 7 games to be missed.

If you went by historical precedent Embiid should not have won it last year with the amount of games he missed. I think the most in the last 50 years to win the award. Also Given that Jokic had the better season. The media was looking for anyone to come close to Jokic. It is what it is though. Embiid had a great season just not as good as Jokic last season


I know - I posted about that 'historical precedent' every time Embiid fans posted about the 'historical precedent' of 3 straight MVPs needing a ring...

Only one player had missed 11+ games in the last ~45 years - also a Sixer player...Iverson.

When the NBA added (conveniently at the end of the season :lol:) 'minimum games required', it basically told voters "Forget historical precedent, now people are allowed to miss 17 games"...
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Post#1409 » by scrabbarista » Tue Jan 2, 2024 4:14 am

Jokic had 18 FTA's on Christmas. In the seven games surrounding it (four before, three after), he has 16.
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Post#1410 » by Jaqua92 » Tue Jan 2, 2024 4:39 am

Jokic with a monster 13/11/6 lol

He's shooting 93% from the field the last 3 games. Stats didn't show much, but he utterly dominated the game without shooting in the entire first half. Created about 16 open shots between passing, offensive initiation and screening.

3rd quarter, he upped the agression, shot 5/6 in that quarter for 10 points, and blew the game open.

There's not a single player in the NBA who can dominate a game without shooting or touching the ball outside of him.

No one else can put up 13/11/6 in 3 quarters on such low usage and dominate that time.

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Post#1411 » by LordCovington33 » Tue Jan 2, 2024 5:35 am

AleksandarN wrote:
Cubbies2120 wrote:
MoneyTalks41890 wrote:
Real good chance Embiid doesn’t play enough games, which I think would be a dumb reason for someone not to get MVP. I get the rationale but the voters should factor that and decide on their own he didn’t play enough rather than not being able to vote for him.


Well, they pretty much did that if you look at the historical MVPs. I believe only one MVP missed more than 10 games in the last 40 years?

If anything, putting in the minimum games played at 65 (meaning 17 missed games are allowed) HELPS the chronically injured/resting players. Now the voters can ignore the historical precedent of 10 games missed, and allow for an additional 7 games to be missed.

If you went by historical precedent Embiid should not have won it last year with the amount of games he missed. I think the most in the last 50 years to win the award. Also Given that Jokic had the better season. The media was looking for anyone to come close to Jokic. It is what it is though. Embiid had a great season just not as good as Jokic last season

Bill Walton played 58 games and it was not 50 years ago.
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Post#1412 » by LordCovington33 » Tue Jan 2, 2024 5:44 am

Jaqua92 wrote:Jokic with a monster 13/11/6 lol

He's shooting 93% from the field the last 3 games. Stats didn't show much, but he utterly dominated the game without shooting in the entire first half. Created about 16 open shots between passing, offensive initiation and screening.

3rd quarter, he upped the agression, shot 5/6 in that quarter for 10 points, and blew the game open.

There's not a single player in the NBA who can dominate a game without shooting or touching the ball outside of him.

No one else can put up 13/11/6 in 3 quarters on such low usage and dominate that time.

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Yep, 13/11/6 is an MVP statline for sure. Give him the trophy already.
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Post#1413 » by AleksandarN » Tue Jan 2, 2024 5:48 am

LordCovington33 wrote:
AleksandarN wrote:
Cubbies2120 wrote:
Well, they pretty much did that if you look at the historical MVPs. I believe only one MVP missed more than 10 games in the last 40 years?

If anything, putting in the minimum games played at 65 (meaning 17 missed games are allowed) HELPS the chronically injured/resting players. Now the voters can ignore the historical precedent of 10 games missed, and allow for an additional 7 games to be missed.

If you went by historical precedent Embiid should not have won it last year with the amount of games he missed. I think the most in the last 50 years to win the award. Also Given that Jokic had the better season. The media was looking for anyone to come close to Jokic. It is what it is though. Embiid had a great season just not as good as Jokic last season

Bill Walton played 58 games and it was not 50 years ago.

I stand corrected. 40 years. Thanks. My bad
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Post#1414 » by Sweet Serenity » Tue Jan 2, 2024 5:54 am

LordCovington33 wrote:
Jaqua92 wrote:Jokic with a monster 13/11/6 lol

He's shooting 93% from the field the last 3 games. Stats didn't show much, but he utterly dominated the game without shooting in the entire first half. Created about 16 open shots between passing, offensive initiation and screening.

3rd quarter, he upped the agression, shot 5/6 in that quarter for 10 points, and blew the game open.

There's not a single player in the NBA who can dominate a game without shooting or touching the ball outside of him.

No one else can put up 13/11/6 in 3 quarters on such low usage and dominate that time.

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Yep, 13/11/6 is an MVP statline for sure. Give him the trophy already.


Isn’t that what Embiid averages in the playoffs ? (The 6 being the turnovers of course)
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Post#1415 » by LordCovington33 » Tue Jan 2, 2024 6:03 am

Sweet Serenity wrote:
LordCovington33 wrote:
Jaqua92 wrote:Jokic with a monster 13/11/6 lol

He's shooting 93% from the field the last 3 games. Stats didn't show much, but he utterly dominated the game without shooting in the entire first half. Created about 16 open shots between passing, offensive initiation and screening.

3rd quarter, he upped the agression, shot 5/6 in that quarter for 10 points, and blew the game open.

There's not a single player in the NBA who can dominate a game without shooting or touching the ball outside of him.

No one else can put up 13/11/6 in 3 quarters on such low usage and dominate that time.

MVP


Yep, 13/11/6 is an MVP statline for sure. Give him the trophy already.


Isn’t that what Embiid averages in the playoffs ?

Anybody who doesn’t watch basketball would agree with this. Well done.
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Post#1416 » by Jaqua92 » Tue Jan 2, 2024 6:16 am

LordCovington33 wrote:
Sweet Serenity wrote:
LordCovington33 wrote:
Yep, 13/11/6 is an MVP statline for sure. Give him the trophy already.


Flew right past your head. But hey. Regular season box score stats.
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Post#1417 » by Jaqua92 » Tue Jan 2, 2024 6:17 am

LordCovington33 wrote:
Sweet Serenity wrote:
LordCovington33 wrote:
Yep, 13/11/6 is an MVP statline for sure. Give him the trophy already.


Isn’t that what Embiid averages in the playoffs ?

Anybody who doesn’t watch basketball would agree with this. Well done.


You've contradicted yourself..outstanding.
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Post#1418 » by Sweet Serenity » Tue Jan 2, 2024 6:24 am

LordCovington33 wrote:
Sweet Serenity wrote:
LordCovington33 wrote:
Yep, 13/11/6 is an MVP statline for sure. Give him the trophy already.


Isn’t that what Embiid averages in the playoffs ?

Anybody who doesn’t watch basketball would agree with this. Well done.


You Phily fans get so sensitive over this type of stuff lol
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Post#1419 » by Lakers In 5 » Tue Jan 2, 2024 6:48 am

Joel Embiid (facing sub .500 team at home) not listed on injury report for Tuesday.
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Post#1420 » by baldur » Tue Jan 2, 2024 7:38 am

LordCovington33 wrote:
AleksandarN wrote:
Cubbies2120 wrote:
Well, they pretty much did that if you look at the historical MVPs. I believe only one MVP missed more than 10 games in the last 40 years?

If anything, putting in the minimum games played at 65 (meaning 17 missed games are allowed) HELPS the chronically injured/resting players. Now the voters can ignore the historical precedent of 10 games missed, and allow for an additional 7 games to be missed.

If you went by historical precedent Embiid should not have won it last year with the amount of games he missed. I think the most in the last 50 years to win the award. Also Given that Jokic had the better season. The media was looking for anyone to come close to Jokic. It is what it is though. Embiid had a great season just not as good as Jokic last season

Bill Walton played 58 games and it was not 50 years ago.


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