2021-22 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt. 1)

[JAYZGOAT]

MVP or not, embiid is incredible.

Crazy how bad the rest of the process was for an Embiid led team with that many assets not to win multiple championships.

Nets have one of the best offensive teams in NBA history and it wouldn't surprise me if they don't win a championship. You need a lot of luck as well to win a championship. Bucks got lucky last year too.

[Dutchball97]

I don’t wanna hear any Steph Curry MVP chatter anymore. This dude’s been in a major slump for like 5-6 weeks now.

5-20 tonight for 13 pts. Another turd-burger and his teammates had to drag him across the finish line.

Shouldn't be All-NBA 1st team at this point based on the season up to now.

Why not? He has been the most valuable guard in the league according to VORP, LEBRON and EPM, while both WS and RAPTOR have him as a close second.

His MVP narrative has taken a hit but he'd still easily be the first guard voted into the All-NBA team if the voting happened now. If he keeps playing like this he could drop but as it stands now his good stretch and bad stretch together still have him as the best guard on average.

[JN61]

I don’t wanna hear any Steph Curry MVP chatter anymore. This dude’s been in a major slump for like 5-6 weeks now.

5-20 tonight for 13 pts. Another turd-burger and his teammates had to drag him across the finish line.

Shouldn't be All-NBA 1st team at this point based on the season up to now.

Why not? He has been the most valuable guard in the league according to VORP, LEBRON and EPM, while both WS and RAPTOR have him as a close second.

His MVP narrative has taken a hit but he'd still easily be the first guard voted into the All-NBA team if the voting happened now. If he keeps playing like this he could drop but as it stands now his good stretch and bad stretch together still have him as the best guard on average.

I would give guard spots to Doncic and Morant with EASE. If Curry keeps slumping like this Harden easily over him as well.

[Dutchball97]

Shouldn't be All-NBA 1st team at this point based on the season up to now.

Why not? He has been the most valuable guard in the league according to VORP, LEBRON and EPM, while both WS and RAPTOR have him as a close second.

His MVP narrative has taken a hit but he'd still easily be the first guard voted into the All-NBA team if the voting happened now. If he keeps playing like this he could drop but as it stands now his good stretch and bad stretch together still have him as the best guard on average.

I would give guard spots to Doncic and Morant with EASE. If Curry keeps slumping like this Harden easily over him as well.

Again, why? Warriors have a better record than the Grizzlies and Mavs so that argument goes out the window and I've literally just shown in the comment you replied to how Curry is still statistically the most valuable guard of the season despite his shooting slump.

Giving it to other guards with EASE but not giving an explanation doesn't really sound objective to me. Besides that I can understand not going for FVV instead because of Toronto not being that good and him not having the star power but by what criteria would Ja and Luka be ahead of CP3? This all sounds like you're just watching boxscores.

[Johnny Firpo]

Jokic's January splits are absolutely crazy. 27/13/9 on 60% from the floor, 40% from three, and 85% from the free throw line. Jeez.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

MVP or not, embiid is incredible.

Crazy how bad the rest of the process was for an Embiid led team with that many assets not to win multiple championships.

Simmons over Ingram and Brown
Fultz over Tatum and Mitchell
Trading Mikal Bridges for Zhaire Smith


Just getting 1 of those picks right would have probably won them a title.

[Da Doctor]

MVP or not, embiid is incredible.

Crazy how bad the rest of the process was for an Embiid led team with that many assets not to win multiple championships.

Simmons over Ingram and Brown
Fultz over Tatum and Mitchell
Trading Mikal Bridges for Zhaire Smith


Just getting 1 of those picks right would have probably won them a title.

Simmons was the right pick at the time. No one knew he'd get up his own ass and refuse to improve in such an arrogant way.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Crazy how bad the rest of the process was for an Embiid led team with that many assets not to win multiple championships.

Simmons over Ingram and Brown
Fultz over Tatum and Mitchell
Trading Mikal Bridges for Zhaire Smith


Just getting 1 of those picks right would have probably won them a title.

Simmons was the right pick at the time. No one knew he'd get up his own ass and refuse to improve in such an arrogant way.

I would have taken Ingram over him at the time, I wasnt at all high on Simmons. I just felt like a wing with 3 level scoring potential was always a safer bet than whatever Simmons was.

[Sixersftw]

Simmons over Ingram and Brown
Fultz over Tatum and Mitchell
Trading Mikal Bridges for Zhaire Smith


Just getting 1 of those picks right would have probably won them a title.

Simmons was the right pick at the time. No one knew he'd get up his own ass and refuse to improve in such an arrogant way.

I would have taken Ingram over him at the time, I wasnt at all high on Simmons. I just felt like a wing with 3 level scoring potential was always a safer bet than whatever Simmons was.

The only one of those moves that was in the moment bad was the Bridges trade. I know our board was split on Bridges and SGA and we got a whole lot of neither.

[KGtabake]

Ι don't understand what's going on with Steph.
I don't think I've seen him being that bad for so long. It's like watching a different player in 2022. He can't win playing like this, it will be scandalous.

[Tomjas]

Simmons over Ingram and Brown
Fultz over Tatum and Mitchell
Trading Mikal Bridges for Zhaire Smith


Just getting 1 of those picks right would have probably won them a title.

Simmons was the right pick at the time. No one knew he'd get up his own ass and refuse to improve in such an arrogant way.

I would have taken Ingram over him at the time, I wasnt at all high on Simmons. I just felt like a wing with 3 level scoring potential was always a safer bet than whatever Simmons was.

Let me know when Ingram plays on a .500 team

[kuclas]

MVP or not, embiid is incredible.

Crazy how bad the rest of the process was for an Embiid led team with that many assets not to win multiple championships.

Simmons over Ingram and Brown
Fultz over Tatum and Mitchell
Trading Mikal Bridges for Zhaire Smith


Just getting 1 of those picks right would have probably won them a title.

Can’t fault any GM for picking Simmons 1st in 2016. All 30 nba GM would have picked Simmons. He’s not a bust either. We all know that.

Fultz over Tatum. Again. Probably 25-26 GM would have picked fultz number 1. Ainge saw something in fultz that other GMs didn’t see. Tatum was projected 4-6 in the draft. Sixers second target was josh Jackson if they held on to the 3rd overall slot.

So the only pick that the GM needs to be faulted for is trading Bridges for Miami heat unprotected 2021 pick and smith.

[Richard Miller]

So the only pick that the GM needs to be faulted for is trading Bridges for Miami heat unprotected 2021 pick and smith.

Picks are picks, ie not always obvious, but they had to keep Butler at all costs/run that team back, that was the obvious part tho.

[_NoMas]

Ι don't understand what's going on with Steph.
I don't think I've seen him being that bad for so long. It's like watching a different player in 2022. He can't win playing like this, it will be scandalous.

It’s bizarre how big the drop off has been from last year and the start of this season. I keep thinking ‘this will be the game/ week where he shoots himself back into form’, and it’s just not happening. Since the beginning of December (24 games), he’s shooting 37.5% from the field and 33.7% from 3.

Strangely it does feel like a season where there isn’t a clear cut MVP contender who meets all 3 of the main criteria (performance, team record and availability), so I still think if Steph can catch fire post all star break he can get back in the race. For the time being he’s definitely not top 3…

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Simmons was the right pick at the time. No one knew he'd get up his own ass and refuse to improve in such an arrogant way.

I would have taken Ingram over him at the time, I wasnt at all high on Simmons. I just felt like a wing with 3 level scoring potential was always a safer bet than whatever Simmons was.

Let me know when Ingram plays on a .500 team

Let me know when Simmons plays.

LaVine was a career loser till this year, put Ingram with Joel and they are in the ECF last year cause Ingram doesn't pass out of dunking on Trae.

[Tomjas]

I would have taken Ingram over him at the time, I wasnt at all high on Simmons. I just felt like a wing with 3 level scoring potential was always a safer bet than whatever Simmons was.

Let me know when Ingram plays on a .500 team

Let me know when Simmons plays.

LaVine was a career loser till this year, put Ingram with Joel and they are in the ECF last year cause Ingram doesn't pass out of dunking on Trae.

Sure

Ingram will never make it that far without someone carrying him

And Zach

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Let me know when Ingram plays on a .500 team

Let me know when Simmons plays.

LaVine was a career loser till this year, put Ingram with Joel and they are in the ECF last year cause Ingram doesn't pass out of dunking on Trae.

Sure

Ingram will never make it that far without someone carrying him

And Zach

Who said Ingram was a 1? Simmons clearly isn't, but give Joel a guy next to him that can get 20-24ppg and they'll go further than they have with the guy who averaged 11.9ppg in last years playoffs.

The Sixers would be the favorites with LaVine right now.

[kuclas]

So the only pick that the GM needs to be faulted for is trading Bridges for Miami heat unprotected 2021 pick and smith.

Picks are picks, ie not always obvious, but they had to keep Butler at all costs/run that team back, that was the obvious part tho.

Butler didn’t want to stay. What do u want sixers to do? He’s a free agent. He took 4 years (with 2 year player option which he got 3 year extension) with the heat.

when sixers offered 5 years.

Players have gotten smart to bet on themselves. So in the end jimmy didn’t lose any money better on himself.

They didn’t have any money left to resign jj reddick who bolted for his last 2 year guarantee money in New Orleans.

What could have been.

The core of Harris embiid butler Simmons and reddick only had 12 regular season games together (embiid was hurt most of that second half of the season).

So it could have been something. But only so much money to go around.

[Richard Miller]

So the only pick that the GM needs to be faulted for is trading Bridges for Miami heat unprotected 2021 pick and smith.

Picks are picks, ie not always obvious, but they had to keep Butler at all costs/run that team back, that was the obvious part tho.

Butler didn’t want to stay. What do u want sixers to do? He’s a free agent. He took 4 years (with 2 year player option which he got 3 year extension) with the heat.

when sixers offered 5 years.

I don't know if something new popped up in the meantime, but iirc judging from what he said on those podcasts and elsewhere a year ago or so they didn't exactly impress him with the organization/dedication

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Kind of a dull week in the MVP Race:
Giannis - Only Cavs and Knicks
Jokic - KD/KI-less Nets and Pelicans
Embiid - Pelicans, Lakers, Kings - Maybe some excitement with AD possibly being back?