2025 NBA PLAYOFFS West First Round: #4 Denver Nuggets vs #5 LA Clippers (Series tied 1-1)

[Lakers In 5]

I was looking at the TV schedule for tomorrow, and why the hell is this game on NBA TV? For the second time in a row they are electing to show Memphis lose by 30 on national tv, rather than airing the actual good game. Whoever is responsible for these decisions, I want them gone.

[Sofia]

Why is there so much whataboutism for Jokic flopping in this thread?

Just because other people have flopped doesn’t make it cool for Jokic to do it, and just because Jokic did it doesn’t excuse others in the past.

[Sofia]

That being said, can anyone objectively and with a straight face look at this game and say that Jokic’s flopping and theatrics was fine?

[Alatan]

That being said, can anyone objectively and with a straight face look at this game and say that Jokic’s flopping and theatrics was fine?

I hate flopping from any player. But there definitely is a bias against Jokic compared to other stars in the league both from the officials and from the fans. Considering officials, Jokic always had an unfavorable whistle. I know that some other star bigs of the past had similar issue but when the player is consistently being roughed up even without the ball in an effort to deny it to him and wore him down i can understand how he starts to embellish contact.

On the the other hand fans of some players love to point out how drawing fouls is a skill and how Joikic lacks it compared to their favorite player even as Jokic spends a lot of the time in the paint often double or triple teamed. Well here you go, this is what you wanted...

I dislike this version of flopping Jokic but i also understand that something needs to be done when small players constantly bump, pull, hold and drag him without the ball in his hands.

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I was looking at the TV schedule for tomorrow, and why the hell is this game on NBA TV? For the second time in a row they are electing to show Memphis lose by 30 on national tv, rather than airing the actual good game. Whoever is responsible for these decisions, I want them gone.

NBA should have just had this game on Friday instead. It’s in the NFL draft tomorrow and many viewers will be tuning away to watch that instead.

Both of these teams (Denver and Los Angeles) have football teams in their city as well. The latter has two.

[ryguy613]

That being said, can anyone objectively and with a straight face look at this game and say that Jokic’s flopping and theatrics was fine?

is it fine?! IS IT FINE?! NO ITS NOT FINE! SUSPEND HIM!!!!!

I just dont understand why this is considered an interesting topic of discussion, and i DEFINTELY dont understand why people are upset about it? This isnt about whataboutism. Its not about taking the heat off of Jokic. We're literally talking about one of the most common things in the game and acting like Jokic has crossed some kind of line. its super weird. Whats next? People getting upset that Jokic gets away with travelling? Do we need a compilation of all the times Jokic has taken extra steps?!

[ejftw]

I don't get what's so hard to understand that it was the amount of times in one game, how ridiculous each one was, from Norm barely touching him, to him jumping on Dunn, to flying when Bogi looked at him, to being shot out a cannon when Harden lowered his shoulder. Not to mention all the embellishment to get fouls on Zu, since, apparently, that's the only way to constantly get through him.

Then teamed with the dirty elbow to Harden's chest as he's aerial for a lay up (ironic that Harden didn't flop) and the wind up and elbow to Zu.

If it was just one, or two, it would be pointed out and finished. But it was, ****, a dozen in one game.

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Whatever helps him sleep easier, I guess

That being said, can anyone objectively and with a straight face look at this game and say that Jokic’s flopping and theatrics was fine?

I hate flopping from any player. But there definitely is a bias against Jokic compared to other stars in the league both from the officials and from the fans. Considering officials, Jokic always had an unfavorable whistle. I know that some other star bigs of the past had similar issue but when the player is consistently being roughed up even without the ball in an effort to deny it to him and wore him down i can understand how he starts to embellish contact.

On the the other hand fans of some players love to point out how drawing fouls is a skill and how Joikic lacks it compared to their favorite player even as Jokic spends a lot of the time in the paint often double or triple teamed. Well here you go, this is what you wanted...

I dislike this version of flopping Jokic but i also understand that something needs to be done when small players constantly bump, pull, hold and drag him without the ball in his hands.

Can't wait for Zu to act like Murray shot him tomorrow, I guess.

[Sofia]

That being said, can anyone objectively and with a straight face look at this game and say that Jokic’s flopping and theatrics was fine?

is it fine?! IS IT FINE?! NO ITS NOT FINE! SUSPEND HIM!!!!!

I just dont understand why this is considered an interesting topic of discussion, and i DEFINTELY dont understand why people are upset about it? This isnt about whataboutism. Its not about taking the heat off of Jokic. We're literally talking about one of the most common things in the game and acting like Jokic has crossed some kind of line. its super weird. Whats next? People getting upset that Jokic gets away with travelling? Do we need a compilation of all the times Jokic has taken extra steps?!

Yeah I don’t care about the travel stuff, all players do that.

But the Jokic flopping is a conversation because the frequency and egregiousness from the best player in the world is highly disappointing.

It would be embarrassing if that was a season highlight reel of flops for a player. Jokic did most of that in just a 2nd half.

[durden_tyler]

Nuggets +5.5 vs Clippers in G3.

Did not expect spread to be this big, i wonder what was the opening line.


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[hardenASG13]

That being said, can anyone objectively and with a straight face look at this game and say that Jokic’s flopping and theatrics was fine?

I hate flopping from any player. But there definitely is a bias against Jokic compared to other stars in the league both from the officials and from the fans. Considering officials, Jokic always had an unfavorable whistle. I know that some other star bigs of the past had similar issue but when the player is consistently being roughed up even without the ball in an effort to deny it to him and wore him down i can understand how he starts to embellish contact.

On the the other hand fans of some players love to point out how drawing fouls is a skill and how Joikic lacks it compared to their favorite player even as Jokic spends a lot of the time in the paint often double or triple teamed. Well here you go, this is what you wanted...

I dislike this version of flopping Jokic but i also understand that something needs to be done when small players constantly bump, pull, hold and drag him without the ball in his hands.

It's being pointed out because people on here have been saying for years that Jokic doesn't do it. Well, he's looked shook down the stretch of games 1 and 2 (turnovers, missed FTs, deferring to others, having that CP3 look in his face like he's about to cry) and resorted to flopping.

Yes there is a lot of contact against him. The bigger you are and the closer you get to the paint, there is more contact. He also gives it back a ton, with elbows and very borderline screens. I do disagree that he spends alot of time in the paint double and triple teamed. He's spending a lot of time at the top of the key/high post, often with his back to the basket. He does need to get on the block though, this high post dribble handoff/slip and pop stuff isn't going to cut it, even if it produces a triple double.

[Ugly0598]

I was looking at the TV schedule for tomorrow, and why the hell is this game on NBA TV? For the second time in a row they are electing to show Memphis lose by 30 on national tv, rather than airing the actual good game. Whoever is responsible for these decisions, I want them gone.

The Denver fans have been horribly negative this year..

[Alatan]

That being said, can anyone objectively and with a straight face look at this game and say that Jokic’s flopping and theatrics was fine?

I hate flopping from any player. But there definitely is a bias against Jokic compared to other stars in the league both from the officials and from the fans. Considering officials, Jokic always had an unfavorable whistle. I know that some other star bigs of the past had similar issue but when the player is consistently being roughed up even without the ball in an effort to deny it to him and wore him down i can understand how he starts to embellish contact.

On the the other hand fans of some players love to point out how drawing fouls is a skill and how Joikic lacks it compared to their favorite player even as Jokic spends a lot of the time in the paint often double or triple teamed. Well here you go, this is what you wanted...

I dislike this version of flopping Jokic but i also understand that something needs to be done when small players constantly bump, pull, hold and drag him without the ball in his hands.

It's being pointed out because people on here have been saying for years that Jokic doesn't do it. Well, he's looked shook down the stretch of games 1 and 2 (turnovers, missed FTs, deferring to others, having that CP3 look in his face like he's about to cry) and resorted to flopping.

Yes there is a lot of contact against him. The bigger you are and the closer you get to the paint, there is more contact. He also gives it back a ton, with elbows and very borderline screens. I do disagree that he spends alot of time in the paint double and triple teamed. He's spending a lot of time at the top of the key/high post, often with his back to the basket. He does need to get on the block though, this high post dribble handoff/slip and pop stuff isn't going to cut it, even if it produces a triple double.

Jokic did not flop before this series. Maybe a couple of times per season but never like this. For the rest of your comment...You clearly dont watch Denver so il leave it at that.

[Special_Puppy]

Nuggets +5.5 vs Clippers in G3.

Did not expect spread to be this big, i wonder what was the opening line.


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MPJ is questionable to play

[hardenASG13]

I hate flopping from any player. But there definitely is a bias against Jokic compared to other stars in the league both from the officials and from the fans. Considering officials, Jokic always had an unfavorable whistle. I know that some other star bigs of the past had similar issue but when the player is consistently being roughed up even without the ball in an effort to deny it to him and wore him down i can understand how he starts to embellish contact.

On the the other hand fans of some players love to point out how drawing fouls is a skill and how Joikic lacks it compared to their favorite player even as Jokic spends a lot of the time in the paint often double or triple teamed. Well here you go, this is what you wanted...

I dislike this version of flopping Jokic but i also understand that something needs to be done when small players constantly bump, pull, hold and drag him without the ball in his hands.

It's being pointed out because people on here have been saying for years that Jokic doesn't do it. Well, he's looked shook down the stretch of games 1 and 2 (turnovers, missed FTs, deferring to others, having that CP3 look in his face like he's about to cry) and resorted to flopping.

Yes there is a lot of contact against him. The bigger you are and the closer you get to the paint, there is more contact. He also gives it back a ton, with elbows and very borderline screens. I do disagree that he spends alot of time in the paint double and triple teamed. He's spending a lot of time at the top of the key/high post, often with his back to the basket. He does need to get on the block though, this high post dribble handoff/slip and pop stuff isn't going to cut it, even if it produces a triple double.

Jokic did not flop before this series. Maybe a couple of times per season but never like this. For the rest of your comment...You clearly dont watch Denver so il leave it at that.

That's why it's being brought up. It's noteworthy that he's doing it and has been doing it to really embarrassing levels. He isn't good at it haha.

Oh, no, I've seen every minute of this series. You're saying Jokic hasn't spent the majority of the time spamming handoff screens and slipping or popping out of them at the top of the key? I'm not sure how'd you deny this. Sick triple doubles and efficiency though.

They're going to get stomped tonight unless Jokic gets on the block alot more or Murray/Porter have big games.

[Cubbies2120]

That being said, can anyone objectively and with a straight face look at this game and say that Jokic’s flopping and theatrics was fine?

I'm okay with it if gets him the whistle he's earned for the rest of the series. A couple embarrassing flops to ensure they call fouls that are FOULS...I'll take it.

He gets the Shaq treatment because he's the strongest player in the league.

[Special_Puppy]

It's being pointed out because people on here have been saying for years that Jokic doesn't do it. Well, he's looked shook down the stretch of games 1 and 2 (turnovers, missed FTs, deferring to others, having that CP3 look in his face like he's about to cry) and resorted to flopping.

Yes there is a lot of contact against him. The bigger you are and the closer you get to the paint, there is more contact. He also gives it back a ton, with elbows and very borderline screens. I do disagree that he spends alot of time in the paint double and triple teamed. He's spending a lot of time at the top of the key/high post, often with his back to the basket. He does need to get on the block though, this high post dribble handoff/slip and pop stuff isn't going to cut it, even if it produces a triple double.

Jokic did not flop before this series. Maybe a couple of times per season but never like this. For the rest of your comment...You clearly dont watch Denver so il leave it at that.

That's why it's being brought up. It's noteworthy that he's doing it and has been doing it to really embarrassing levels. He isn't good at it haha.

Oh, no, I've seen every minute of this series. You're saying Jokic hasn't spent the majority of the time spamming handoff screens and slipping or popping out of them at the top of the key? I'm not sure how'd you deny this. Sick triple doubles and efficiency though.

They're going to get stomped tonight unless Jokic gets on the block alot more or Murray/Porter have big games.

You seem to have a relatively narrow idea of what a superstar should be and do

[Cubbies2120]

Oh, no, I've seen every minute of this series. You're saying Jokic hasn't spent the majority of the time spamming handoff screens and slipping or popping out of them at the top of the key? I'm not sure how'd you deny this. Sick triple doubles and efficiency though.

The Clippers confused him - he said it himself in post-game 2 interview that they're sending defender from unexpected locations, so he's gotta read and react better.

I don't think it'll take a full series to figure it out...he adjusts pretty quickly to new ways of guarding him.

[hardenASG13]

Nuggets +5.5 vs Clippers in G3.

Did not expect spread to be this big, i wonder what was the opening line.


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Yeah it's a big number. The Clippers role players haven't been great though and can be expected to play better at home. The Clippers were the better team in Denver. Could get ugly unless Jokic plays more aggressively.

[Cubbies2120]

It would be embarrassing if that was a season highlight reel of flops for a player. Jokic did most of that in just a 2nd half.

Lol no it wouldn't - go check out the flopping highlight reels of some other recent MVP candidates/winners on youtube...