Las Vegas Summer league - July 7-17, 2017

[Pinkyring]

I think DSJ could have the best rookie year out of all the PGs

I think hes going to have the best rookie year out of all the rookies. I dont think Philly, LA or Sac are going to regret their choices for PG because I think all 3 of their players are going to be good. I dont know much about Frank but I have a feeling NY is going to really regret passing on DSJ.

Depends o carlisle he has this stupid love affair with barea that makes me sick if dsj gets 30 minutes a night he should be in roy discussions but if rick tries to make the playoffs it could be a disaster for dsj gettting consistent minutes, Cuban however dropped the REBUILDING work on nbatv today so that makes me happy to hear and not the usual retooling crap

[Prez]

DSJ slipping to 9 is still hilarious to me. It's not like it was hard to predict he'd be good either. His insane talent level was obvious well before the draft.

[Duke4life831]

I think DSJ could have the best rookie year out of all the PGs

I think hes going to have the best rookie year out of all the rookies. I dont think Philly, LA or Sac are going to regret their choices for PG because I think all 3 of their players are going to be good. I dont know much about Frank but I have a feeling NY is going to really regret passing on DSJ.

Depends o carlisle he has this stupid love affair with barea that makes me sick if dsj gets 30 minutes a night he should be in roy discussions but if rick tries to make the playoffs it could be a disaster for dsj gettting consistent minutes, Cuban however dropped the REBUILDING work on nbatv today so that makes me happy to hear and not the usual retooling crap

Ive got complete faith in Carlisle. I think the combo of Dirk and Carlisle is the best case scenario for DSJ. DSJ is a high character guy, when I say that, everyone is going to like him and hes not going to get in trouble off the court. But he definitely has a tendency to take plays and games off. You didnt want him in a franchise that has no hope going forward and has no legit authoritative presence. Dallas is a very well run team with plenty of guys DSJ is going to respect that will put him in check. I actually think a benching during the season for a guy like JJ might be a good thing for DSJ in the long run.

[FreeSpiritNY]

I think hes going to have the best rookie year out of all the rookies. I dont think Philly, LA or Sac are going to regret their choices for PG because I think all 3 of their players are going to be good. I dont know much about Frank but I have a feeling NY is going to really regret passing on DSJ.

It was a really stupid choice of the knicks. You dont pick someone unproven from europe who hasn't worked out with any teams when you have a high caliber player in smith there. You do it if smith wasnt there then I would understand like how the knicks took a chance o n kp. AFTER kp there wasnt anyone that wowed and had potential.

The thing to really get excited about DSJ is the dude won ACC FOY over guys like Tatum and Isaac and this was his first year back from his ACL. Him in SL already looks like a completely different player athletically then his first month at NCST. Again I personally had him #1 on my big board, the dude just screams star. A KP/DSJ duo to build around would be one hell of a good building block for NY. I hate it for Knicks fans, but I think this one is going to hurt.

Yea If this frank dude becomes total bust and garbage I'm done with the knicks and will litterly become a anti knick fan until dolan leaves.

I just dont understand how the knicks do the same thing over and over and over. You would think they learned from the prior drafts but its like her we got 1 good guy lets mess up the next 10 picks.

Knicks are the worst franchise and the fan base is also a laughing stock. You have people screaming to pick frank when there is no proof of him being good. He looks slow, played in a league where he didnt even dominate in and didnt even work out for any teams.

When you have smith who was looked to be the number 1 draft pick before his injury like its not rocket science on who to pick. If you wanted frank atleast trade down acquire more assets.

[rzzzzz]

but Frank was considered a good fit for the triangle!
(i thought Smith's workout video just before the draft was jaw dropping.)

[PierceFan4ever]

Damn some people in the Knicks board are having second thoughts lol

[draftnightsuit]

I still can't figure out why Smith Jr. fell. Doesn't take much scouting experience to recognize his talent.

Can't shoot, bad defender, game relies primarily on athleticism and already has an ACL tear on his record.

He shot 36% from 3 his freshman year in college. He has a solid shooting form as well, also hit 3-5 from 3 today, I dont see how you can say he cant shoot. Defensively he has more of a pitbull attitude on defense than Fultz or Lonzo. He showed times last year when he wanted to he could defend. Not saying hes going to ever be considered a great defender, but I dont think hes going to be horrible on that side of the ball and some of the best PGs today arent good defenders.

He is a freak athletic PG that is excellent at running the PnR whether it is looking to score or to facilitate and he has great promise when it comes to his jumper as well and its not bad to begin with. That kind of sounds like the ideal PG in todays game. At the start of the year I had him and Tatum at the top of my big board and after the season I had DSJ at the top because I feel like his game screams NBA star.

And Derrick Rose shot 34% from 3 at Memphis. Like Rose, he needs the ball in his hands to get his shot off with any kind of rythmn. He's not a good shooter in terms of mechanics or consistency.

He's a fundamentally poor defender and is limited by a short wingspan but he can still put forth effort and hustle if he's focused enough.

He's basically a Derrick Rose clone. If you like athletic, slashing, volume scoring PGs then he's your guy. Not everyone is into thar.

[Duke4life831]

It was a really stupid choice of the knicks. You dont pick someone unproven from europe who hasn't worked out with any teams when you have a high caliber player in smith there. You do it if smith wasnt there then I would understand like how the knicks took a chance o n kp. AFTER kp there wasnt anyone that wowed and had potential.

The thing to really get excited about DSJ is the dude won ACC FOY over guys like Tatum and Isaac and this was his first year back from his ACL. Him in SL already looks like a completely different player athletically then his first month at NCST. Again I personally had him #1 on my big board, the dude just screams star. A KP/DSJ duo to build around would be one hell of a good building block for NY. I hate it for Knicks fans, but I think this one is going to hurt.

Yea If this frank dude becomes total bust and garbage I'm done with the knicks and will litterly become a anti knick fan until dolan leaves.

I just dont understand how the knicks do the same thing over and over and over. You would think they learned from the prior drafts but its like her we got 1 good guy lets mess up the next 10 picks.

Knicks are the worst franchise and the fan base is also a laughing stock. You have people screaming to pick frank when there is no proof of him being good. He looks slow, played in a league where he didnt even dominate in and didnt even work out for any teams.

When you have smith who was looked to be the number 1 draft pick before his injury like its not rocket science on who to pick. If you wanted frank atleast trade down acquire more assets.

Well said. I think DSJ is a clear example of GM's just over thinking it. I can see why the first 7 teams drafted who they drafted, again I obviously though DSJ shouldve gone much higher but the picks are understandable to me, up until the Knicks pick. I just dont see how a team could go with Frank over DSJ, I think NY just thought, "Hey we nailed it with KP, we must really know how to draft these over seas guys."

As a Knick fan you can tell me if Im wrong on this, but Dolan seems to be an owner willing to spend money and doesnt seem to step on the toes of the FO and lets them do their thing. The major problem I see with Dolan is that he chooses the worst people to run the team, then gives them complete control and a huge leash and it just destroys the team. Am I wrong on that?

[Duke4life831]

Can't shoot, bad defender, game relies primarily on athleticism and already has an ACL tear on his record.

He shot 36% from 3 his freshman year in college. He has a solid shooting form as well, also hit 3-5 from 3 today, I dont see how you can say he cant shoot. Defensively he has more of a pitbull attitude on defense than Fultz or Lonzo. He showed times last year when he wanted to he could defend. Not saying hes going to ever be considered a great defender, but I dont think hes going to be horrible on that side of the ball and some of the best PGs today arent good defenders.

He is a freak athletic PG that is excellent at running the PnR whether it is looking to score or to facilitate and he has great promise when it comes to his jumper as well and its not bad to begin with. That kind of sounds like the ideal PG in todays game. At the start of the year I had him and Tatum at the top of my big board and after the season I had DSJ at the top because I feel like his game screams NBA star.

And Derrick Rose shot 34% from 3 at Memphis. Like Rose, he needs the ball in his hands to get his shot off with any kind of rythmn. He's not a good shooter in terms of mechanics or consistency.

He's a fundamentally poor defender and is limited by a short wingspan but he can still put forth effort and hustle if he's focused enough.

He's basically a Derrick Rose clone. If you like athletic, slashing, volume scoring PGs then he's your guy. Not everyone is into thar.

I think he has much better mechanics with his jumper than Rose has. But I do agree with you that he needs the ball in his hands to be effective. Hes the definition of a ball dominant PnR PG for sure. Pre-injury Rose is no slouch of a player, the dude was an MVP (ya I know he shouldnt have won that year), but the dude was an instant difference maker.

We also have to remember we never got to see a prime DRose, he won his MVP when he was 22 then all the injuries happened. The dude was basically putting up 25/8 with a WS/48 over .200 at the age of 22. Imagine what he couldve looked like at 28 without all the injuries. I think every Dallas fan would take 25/8 with a WS/48 over .200 from DSJ when hes only 22.

[bennjuiced34]

Smith was my boy before the draft so it's great to see him balling out. Kid (as you've seen) has unreal tools and upside. I see the Rose comparisons from a physical perspective.

Rose was a better PG though and had more defensive upside. That said, Smith's jumper is further along and his offensive ceiling is ridiculous. Also has a big time swagger about him.

I'm happy with Markkanen but I was kinda bummed we passed on Smith. Knicks though I think are gonna be kicking themselves.

[bennjuiced34]

Rose was a special talent though. Kid wasn't even in his prime before he went down and had some incredible accomplishments for a 22-year old in the league.

As great as Westbrook is now, I think Rose would've been better. Kinda scary to think about.

[basketballRob]

It was a really stupid choice of the knicks. You dont pick someone unproven from europe who hasn't worked out with any teams when you have a high caliber player in smith there. You do it if smith wasnt there then I would understand like how the knicks took a chance o n kp. AFTER kp there wasnt anyone that wowed and had potential.

The thing to really get excited about DSJ is the dude won ACC FOY over guys like Tatum and Isaac and this was his first year back from his ACL. Him in SL already looks like a completely different player athletically then his first month at NCST. Again I personally had him #1 on my big board, the dude just screams star. A KP/DSJ duo to build around would be one hell of a good building block for NY. I hate it for Knicks fans, but I think this one is going to hurt.

Yea If this frank dude becomes total bust and garbage I'm done with the knicks and will litterly become a anti knick fan until dolan leaves.

I just dont understand how the knicks do the same thing over and over and over. You would think they learned from the prior drafts but its like her we got 1 good guy lets mess up the next 10 picks.

Knicks are the worst franchise and the fan base is also a laughing stock. You have people screaming to pick frank when there is no proof of him being good. He looks slow, played in a league where he didnt even dominate in and didnt even work out for any teams.

When you have smith who was looked to be the number 1 draft pick before his injury like its not rocket science on who to pick. If you wanted frank atleast trade down acquire more assets.

I think Frank will be great, offensively and defensively. Hopefully the NY fans can be patient for a couple of years.

I'm worried about NY without Jackson being there. No way would he of signed THJ even for half that money, because of his defense.

[ItsThatEasy]

I still can't figure out why Smith Jr. fell. Doesn't take much scouting experience to recognize his talent.

Can't shoot, bad defender, game relies primarily on athleticism and already has an ACL tear on his record.

He shot 36% from 3 his freshman year in college. He has a solid shooting form as well, also hit 3-5 from 3 today, I dont see how you can say he cant shoot. Defensively he has more of a pitbull attitude on defense than Fultz or Lonzo. He showed times last year when he wanted to he could defend. Not saying hes going to ever be considered a great defender, but I dont think hes going to be horrible on that side of the ball and some of the best PGs today arent good defenders.

He is a freak athletic PG that is excellent at running the PnR whether it is looking to score or to facilitate and he has great promise when it comes to his jumper as well and its not bad to begin with. That kind of sounds like the ideal PG in todays game. At the start of the year I had him and Tatum at the top of my big board and after the season I had DSJ at the top because I feel like his game screams NBA star.

Had some pretty good back and forth's with you over in the draft forum throughout the college season.

I know DSJ was a kid you had strong opinions on.

Nice to see guys who weren't really watching college ball get a taste of what you've been scouting/debating.

[Duke4life831]

Can't shoot, bad defender, game relies primarily on athleticism and already has an ACL tear on his record.

He shot 36% from 3 his freshman year in college. He has a solid shooting form as well, also hit 3-5 from 3 today, I dont see how you can say he cant shoot. Defensively he has more of a pitbull attitude on defense than Fultz or Lonzo. He showed times last year when he wanted to he could defend. Not saying hes going to ever be considered a great defender, but I dont think hes going to be horrible on that side of the ball and some of the best PGs today arent good defenders.

He is a freak athletic PG that is excellent at running the PnR whether it is looking to score or to facilitate and he has great promise when it comes to his jumper as well and its not bad to begin with. That kind of sounds like the ideal PG in todays game. At the start of the year I had him and Tatum at the top of my big board and after the season I had DSJ at the top because I feel like his game screams NBA star.

Had some pretty good back and forth's with you over in the draft forum throughout the college season.

I know DSJ was a kid you had strong opinions on.

Nice to see guys who weren't really watching college ball get a taste of what you've been scouting/debating.

Ya Ive been real high on him since Duke started recruiting him 3-4 years ago. I think the dude is just a flat out stud. I know the non avid college bball fan didnt really get to see or hear all that much about him because of the garbage fire NCST was last year. The dude has special talent. I think many people are going to be shocked that he fell to 9th in this draft.

Also quick sidebar, always enjoy our back and forths when it comes to prospects.

[cksdayoff]

dsj was #2 on my board behind fultz. dsj always looked like the most talented prospect when he's surrounded by or playing against other prospects. he just passes the eye test for me.

[gizardoe]

Wow Tatum turn around with contact not bad.

[Atmanne]

Zizic is... not good.

[meatball sub]

7-0 run for the Blazers since Rj Hunter went to the bench. Put him back in!

[karkinos]

Jaylen Brown reminds me of Jeff Green, I dont know if that's a good thing.

since when has being reminded of jeff green ever been a good thing?

[reload141]

Zizic showing he's definitely a rookie big, not worried though